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Posted on 02/05/2014 4:15:24 PM PST by Olog-hai
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More like our government saying "We can't handle you knowing the truth!"
Did he, or did he not lie?
You already stated Clapper lied by his own admission. I have nothing else to add.
Well, strangely, a person using your handle did indeed feel he had something else to add at Post #39, after this was already pointed out.
Whatever the intention of Congress, the People of the United States learned something as a result of the Congressional testimony and subsequent revelations: 1) Spy agencies are spying on Americans under very dubious Constitutional authority, and 2) even more dubious efficacy. 3) The DNI could have said, "I will answer questions that go to National Security secrets in closed session." Instead, he simply lied under oath. So we know that 4) US Spy agencies consider themselves above the Constitution, and 5) above the plain laws and meaning of perjury. [The DNI made a false statement under oath which was material. That's perjury.]
That's a pretty decent truthiness yield coming from people who weren't interested in the truth, which often advances itself, even when hidden by the shadiest of intentions.
But you asked me a question to which you already had the answer. I suppose you intended to make the points you just expressed which are certainly compelling.
I agree, Clapper didn’t have to respond. But Clapper is not my focus — it’s on Congress and the fallacy of representation — a greater concern to me than the enigmatic knavery preoccupying most everyone’s attention.
Its what happens when government has to make work for cony contractors.
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I disagree ,, it’s what happens when the government needs people like Snowden because their employees are incompetant. I used to be in “big iron” IT and I never once found a government employee at any seminar or continuing education class that wasn’t dead weight.
Cronyism isn’t about the little nobodys. Cronyism is about guys like James Clapper and James Woolsey who have both managed to step out of executive positions with Booz Allen and directly into federally funded positions like Director of national intelligence.
Agreed. The more people push back on Snowden, the more I think he did the right damn thing.
Exactly.
And if you work for the government (military, DOD civilian, etc.) you are warned that you could be prosecuted for going on the web to look at info that is posted out there for everyone else to see because "it hasn't been declassified and your looking at it, or it hitting your computer constitutes a security violation".
As to the fallacy of representation, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." [Mencken]
We are not being represented because we're children electing unscrupulous frauds to hand out candy while they raid the safe in the den. You can't lay that fault anywhere but at the feat of the electorate.
And if you work for the government (military, DOD civilian, etc.) you are warned that you could be prosecuted for going on the web to look at info that is posted out there for everyone else to see because “it hasn’t been declassified and your looking at it, or it hitting your computer constitutes a security violation”.
Oh yeah! I forgot all about that set of rules too. That happened after I let the Government Contractor business. I did experience the Firewall of Know-nothing and do-nothing though.
I occasionally had to do procurement of specialized items and it used to make me so angry that I wasn’t able to go to the various on-line catalogs to get good price information. I had to write a letter and it went up my company’s chain of command and then over to the AF’s and way way up that to get me the permissions to do so.
Money was tight and I used the justification of getting the best prices for the AF’s bucks in the budget they gave me to work with.
Yes but...... the fact it was in the Wall Street Journal and on Foxnews doesn’t mean I can tell you the details because it is secret, classified.
love the post card
I find it amusing that in the beginning, Snowden was so low on the totem pole that he couldn’t possibly have had much clout to get any info above the night janitor’s schedule but now they say his leaks were “very highly classified.”
Snowden Bombshell: Seems he downloaded entire roster of U.S. government – all names, home addresses and other personal info of **all** officials and gov’t employees — including law enforcement — plus bankers, corporate boards of directors and more!
Posted on February 8, 2014
February 6, 2014 — (TRN) — Edward Snowden, the former contractor at the National Security Agency took with him multiple “Doomsday” packages of information when he departed the country and began revealing how intensely the US Government is spying on its own citizens. He has the personal home info for all Elected Officials, Law Enforcement, Judges, Bankers, Corporate Boards of Directors and more!
At a classified briefing for members of Congress which took place on Wednesday, members found out that Snowden took with him:
■a complete roster of absolutely every employee and official of the entire US Government.
■The names, home addresses, unlisted personal home telephone and personal cellular phone numbers, dates of birth and social security numbers of every person involved in any way, with any department of the US Government.
■The files include elected officials, Cabinet appointees, Judges, and **ALL** law enforcement agency employees including sworn officers.
■Similar files with the personal information of EVERY government contractor and all employees of that contractor!
■Similar files with all the personal information of EVERY Bank Corporation, their operating officers and their Boards of Directors, including all current and former members of the Federal Reserve
■Similar files with all the personal information about anyone holding any type of license from the Government such as Doctors, Lawyers, Stock Brokers, Commodities Traders . . . . and many more.
■Similar files with all the personal information of EVERY non-bank Corporation in the U.S., including their operating officers and Boards of Directors.
Snowden has made it clear that if he is arrested, if he vanishes, or if he “dies” from any cause whatsoever, ALL of the information in his possession will be published publicly.
TRN has confirmed that, working through Julian Assange and his “WikiLeaks” organization, copies of the encrypted data have already been distributed to more than one-thousand, two hundred (1200) web sites around the world. Those sites have agreed to conceal the information until such time as contact with Snowden is “lost.” Once contact is lost, the sites have been told they will receive the Decryption keys via CD ROM, E-mail and P2P / Bit-Torrent file transfer. Once the decryption keys are sent, the sites have been instructed to wait a specific amount of time to confirm Snowden’s disappearance, arrest or death and upon expiration of that time period, to publish the decrypted materials.
Making the situation all the more dire for the government is that Snowden has made clear he will release some of the information under certain “other” circumstances. For instance, if Martial Law is declared in the US or if any elections are canceled for any reason, all the government employee info goes out. If an economic collapse takes place, all the Banker/Stock Broker/Commodities Trader information goes out. If Corporations start hyper-inflating prices, all the information about them, their officers and Board of Directors will go out.
Snowden literally has the most powerful people in the United States in an inescapable stranglehold. If any of the things articulated above take place, everyone throughout the country will know exactly who to blame and exactly where they live. One can only speculate that under the right conditions, it might not be long until those responsible for the problems of our country, faced consequences for their actions; consequences delivered one at a time, in the dark of night, when there is no help . . . . and no escape.
Leading members of the House Armed Services Committee emerged from the classified briefing “shocked” at the amount of information he reportedly took with him beyond the NSA surveillance programs.
Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas), chairman of the Armed Service panel’s Intelligence, Emerging Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee and also a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the briefing on the defense consequences of Snowden’s leaks was “very highly classified,” and therefore details couldn’t be discussed.
Thornberry did say that lawmakers “left the briefing disturbed and angered” after hearing that the leaks by the former Booz Allen Hamilton employee “went well beyond programs associated with the NSA and data collection.”
He characterized the leaks as so severe that they “compromise military capability and defense of the country” and “could cost lives” — while they “will certainly cost billions to repair.”
“His actions were espionage, plain and simple,” Thornberry said.
Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon (R-Calif.) read his statement rather than making comments on the fly “because of the seriousness of this issue and the sensitivity” of the information they’d just heard.
“Ed Snowden isn’t a whistleblower; he’s a traitor,” McKeon said.
No matter what opinion people hold of the data collection programs, he added, people should be “shocked and outraged to find that a substantial amount of the information has nothing to do with the NSA.
When asked how he felt that Snowden has done to the government, what the government has been doing to average Americans, McKeon just snarled and walked away.
At the start of the Snowden revelations, many claimed that no single "low-level" contractor could access such a wide array of classified information. It later came out that while Snowden may not have been a high level employee, he was a system administrator; giving him unlimited access to the systems inside the NSA so those systems could be maintained, reprogrammed or repaired. In that role, Snowden didn't have to spy on the government himself, he merely needed to access the spying the NSA had already done.
Previously, news media around the world have outlined that Snowden had a vast "failsafe" and the Department of Defense told "The Daily Caller" that Snowden "took everything; absolutely everything."
Thanks for the update. It's only a roster of names and addresses and it would still take time, lots of time, to connect the dots to find the real rot. Now, if he had a list of who's playing footsie with whom, that would get us somewhere. That said, he may be the only thing that saves the US from our incompetence. Wish he'd upped it just a bit to put pressure on those who are covering for usurper. Of course, if he was able to get all that info, there are dozens who could get it as well.
Actually it is an indication that the government is too big. The bigger the government, the more people need to know classified information, the more likely the leak.
What did Snowden see or hear, what dots did he connect, that would have prompted him to abandon a fairly cushy lifestyle?
Many of us suspected the spying on citizens was underway. Some of us suspect that the self-anointed elitists have even worse nefarious plans for the citizens. Maybe he had/has evidence to confirm those suspicions.
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