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Pregnant, brain-dead Texas woman taken off life support
Los Angeles Times ^ | January 26, 2014 | Matt Pearce

Posted on 01/26/2014 4:41:59 PM PST by BurningOak

A brain-dead Texas woman who was 22 weeks pregnant was removed from life support Sunday, and her body was expected to be turned over to her family, attorneys for her husband announced.

Marlise Muñoz, 33, had been on life support for about two months at John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth after falling unconscious in her home in November with a possible blood clot in her lung. Although she was brain dead, and considered dead under Texas law, the hospital refused to take her off life support, citing a state law that prohibits hospitals from suspending "life-sustaining treatment" for patients who are pregnant. Marlise Muñoz was about 14 weeks pregnant when she fell ill on Nov. 26.

Her husband, Erick Muñoz, sued the hospital for "cruel and obscene mutilation" of a dead body. On Friday, a state judge ordered the hospital to take her off life support by 5 p.m. Monday.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: abortion; prolife; texas
Sad story. Sad for the woman, sad for the child, sad for the family, and sad for the country. Inevitable conclusion to this tragedy in a culture that puts no value on unborn life. This shows that we need to cultivate a true culture of life in this nation, this would not happen if the unborn were seen as human beings.
1 posted on 01/26/2014 4:41:59 PM PST by BurningOak
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To: BurningOak

My response begs description other than to say that this sort of benumbed action saddens me.


2 posted on 01/26/2014 4:47:41 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("When you meet the unbelievers, strike at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4)
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To: BurningOak

What an EVIL HUSBAND!!


3 posted on 01/26/2014 4:54:08 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: BurningOak

The mother is dead, medically and ethically. All artificial machines can do is keep her lungs and heart beating. Is that enough to provide what a fetus needs to grow and develop until they are at a stage where they can live outside the womb?


4 posted on 01/26/2014 4:56:08 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: BurningOak

So this is where we are?

If a judge tells you to murder someone, do you do it?


5 posted on 01/26/2014 4:56:22 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Regulator

“Do no harm” means nothing anymore...


6 posted on 01/26/2014 5:01:24 PM PST by Politicalkiddo (Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it. -M. Twain)
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To: BurningOak

What about the “insurance”?


7 posted on 01/26/2014 5:04:39 PM PST by Theodore R. (TX Republicans can't wait until March 4 to nominate Cornball and George P.!)
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To: DoodleDawg

the medical answer is no... and the docs agreed with that


8 posted on 01/26/2014 5:07:49 PM PST by Nifster
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To: BurningOak

Double Murder!


9 posted on 01/26/2014 5:10:09 PM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: BurningOak

The family made the decision to stop supporting the mothers body after doctors diagnosed the child with severe deformities, brain damage and would not survive any type of birth. The child was severely damaged when the mother had her stroke. My suggestion is that some here on FR help the family pay for the medical bills which must be outstanding instead of calling the family murderers.


10 posted on 01/26/2014 5:11:00 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Dallas59

Didn’t the father call his wife a decaying corpse?

Great family. She is better off without them.


11 posted on 01/26/2014 5:13:02 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Dallas59
The family made the decision to stop supporting the mothers body after doctors diagnosed the child with severe deformities, brain damage and would not survive any type of birth. The child was severely damaged when the mother had her stroke. My suggestion is that some here on FR help the family pay for the medical bills which must be outstanding instead of calling the family murderers.

Perfect summary of the situation, but as you know, so many posters on these kinds of threads seem to have no concern about such things. They know what's morally right and damn it, don't bother us with such details!

BTW, would you hazard a guess as to how many would pony up for such a fund? I am guessing, very, very few.

12 posted on 01/26/2014 5:18:23 PM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: Regulator

it is the new ‘the price is right’

but they dont say ‘come on down’ it is now ‘how low can you go’


13 posted on 01/26/2014 5:19:41 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: OldPossum

Wouldn’t survive birth because the baby needed a few more weeks to develop. Since when is “deformed” a death sentence.

Who was hurt by trying to let the baby develop?


14 posted on 01/26/2014 5:24:35 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: Oliviaforever
Double Murder!

You have no idea of what you are talking about and clearly no understanding whatsoever of basic human physiology. Comments such as yours undermine the pro-life movement by making it look like the abode of ignorant, unhinged cranks.

15 posted on 01/26/2014 5:26:21 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Ann Archy
What an EVIL HUSBAND!!

You have no idea of what you are talking about. Get a grip.

16 posted on 01/26/2014 5:27:09 PM PST by Drew68
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To: ladyjane
Didn’t the father call his wife a decaying corpse?

He said she smelled like death. This is not surprising considering she was dead. Dead people don't tend to smell very good. It is called decomposition and it is what happens when you die. It's not pretty. You might want to look it up if you can't understand this.

17 posted on 01/26/2014 5:29:24 PM PST by Drew68
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To: greatvikingone

Read the first sentence of post #10 again. You missed something.


18 posted on 01/26/2014 5:34:29 PM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: Regulator

It’s not murder. The woman is brain dead.


19 posted on 01/26/2014 5:39:54 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: BurningOak

Brain dead means dead. No activity. Not enough to keep her body alive. Machines do that. But not for long. These machines damage the body. The child was so damged, it would not survive.


20 posted on 01/26/2014 5:40:02 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: BurningOak

Doctors are the most sniveling wimpy Antioch humans known to man sin e the time of Abraham. It is on them to not pro ounce this baby a life equal to that of his or her mother certainly in the Catechism #2177

Horrible doctors evil evil evil creatures


21 posted on 01/26/2014 5:44:26 PM PST by stanne
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To: Regulator

Yes. I compared this case to Terri Schiavo on an earlier thread and was told that they are not alike. I disagree. A judge has made a determination that a woman should die. This is a frightening concept. The media lies about everything. We live among a culture of death where those who are not worth keeping alive are allowed to die with the excuses ‘costs too much’, ‘no good quality of life’, ‘she wouldn’t have wanted to live this way’, etc.

I’m sure I’ll get slammed for my opinions.


22 posted on 01/26/2014 5:44:28 PM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Dallas59

According to the husbands attorneys the baby was deformed....of course, now, we’ll never know. Those that fought so hard to kill the unborn baby have prevailed. If this man/husband is still a paramedic....please keep him away from me and my loved ones! Especially babies.


23 posted on 01/26/2014 5:46:16 PM PST by Jrabbit
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

The poor mother died on Nov 28th... Whatever are you babble on about?


24 posted on 01/26/2014 5:46:24 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Dallas59
The family made the decision to stop supporting the mothers body after doctors diagnosed the child with severe deformities, brain damage and would not survive any type of birth. The child was severely damaged when the mother had her stroke.

While my inclination is to agree with you, based on the reports of the medical professionals involved in this particular case, many of us have seen a whole lot of reports of medical necessity that were far less convincing in the real world than in the reports. I think the underlying problem is a complete breakdown of trust between those generally sympathetic to abortion (a group of which I am not a member) and those generally opposed to abortion.

If abortion beyond a certain point in gestation is only okay in cases of rape or for the life or health of the mother, then many abortionists tell their customers to claim rape or to give coached answers to justify a threat to their mental health. Because of that conduct, there is no longer a presumption of integrity from doctors in these situations. I know you are correct about the reported condition of the baby, and I suspect those reports are true, but I would not be shocked if it turned out that the husband simply didn't want the child and the doctors gave a prognosis that would justify the husband's request.

25 posted on 01/26/2014 5:48:10 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Jrabbit

Who knows...it may have been the mothers fault....she could have taking drugs and drinking. I bet it was her. She was just asking for it!


26 posted on 01/26/2014 5:57:56 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: DoodleDawg

It has been done before.

Here is another case where the family was NOT dead set on killing off the innocent kids: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/brain-dead-mom-gives-birth-to-twins-while-on-life-support/

It is not common, but children have been saved in cases where the mother dies prior to viability.

In this case, the father wanted the baby dead from the get-go. I can only imagine why... I bet a lot of stuff happened behind the scenes that we will never know.


27 posted on 01/26/2014 6:02:02 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Dallas59
The family made the decision to stop supporting the mothers body after doctors diagnosed the child with severe deformities, brain damage and would not survive any type of birth. The child was severely damaged when the mother had her stroke. My suggestion is that some here on FR help the family pay for the medical bills which must be outstanding instead of calling the family murderers.

The father wanted the child dead from day one. We do not actually know if the child had any deformities--that could have been an excuse invented for the purpose of getting the judge to circumvent law, or even to deflect negative public opinion.

It is tragic. The baby only needed another week or so of gestation.

28 posted on 01/26/2014 6:07:48 PM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: OldPossum

The husband was suing before the baby was declared anything.


29 posted on 01/26/2014 6:10:10 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: greatvikingone

I don’t know about that and cannot speak to it. I was responding to your comment on post 14. You’ve changed the subject.

In any event, it’s late and I’m going to bed.


30 posted on 01/26/2014 6:13:25 PM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: exDemMom

Public opinion, definitely. The news media were playing it up Thursday/Friday.


31 posted on 01/26/2014 6:23:21 PM PST by greatvikingone
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To: greatvikingone
The husband was suing before the baby was declared anything.

I don't know all the details but I do know that this has to be the family's decision and not the state or feds. From what I understand the recent tests determined that the unborn baby is very deformed and has problems with a lot of excess fluid on the brain.

There are no good choices in this. The situation will never turn out well but it is the husbands decision to make. I know that some disagree with me on issues of faith. You are entitled to your faith but none of the rest of us are going to be subjected to your beliefs. That is why there are laws. A judge has found that this lady is dead and that the baby has massive problems because of her brain injury and her death process. Now it is up to the husband to decide. He has and it is over.

32 posted on 01/26/2014 7:45:29 PM PST by oldenuff2no ("For which she should be charged withNot sure a and face a jury. Not summarily executed.")
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To: Dallas59

Miffed and I have found what you are about to find out... Some on this forum never let the facts get in the way of their opinion


33 posted on 01/26/2014 8:25:10 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: Drew68

Hey Drew...i applaud and appreciate you!


34 posted on 01/26/2014 8:26:14 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: stanne

Speaking on behalf of the medical profession, we feel the same way about you. I don’t plan on losing any sleep over your uneducated rant. Please by all means don’t bother to seek us out when you are sick.


35 posted on 01/26/2014 8:29:25 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: gas_dr

Thanks for your sensible replies on this topic the last few days. Those of us in the medical field have a different perspective.


36 posted on 01/26/2014 8:55:59 PM PST by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: americas.best.days...

Thanks so much. I note you do Gods work as a NICU provider. I love adult critical care but it is a saint such as you who takes care of the little ones who are critical ill. I will keep you in my prayers.


37 posted on 01/26/2014 9:13:34 PM PST by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: gas_dr

This is not abortion. The mother is dead. The doctors are not sticking in needles, clamps, poisons, saws or anything else to pull the baby out piece by piece.


38 posted on 01/26/2014 11:57:16 PM PST by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Drew68

Killing your child is EVIL!! period......it shows NO FAITH IN GOD!!!


39 posted on 01/27/2014 2:30:06 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: oldenuff2no

Speaks volumes about the New America where we feel good about murdering babies because they are not “normal”.


40 posted on 01/27/2014 8:12:50 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: greatvikingone
"Speaks volumes about the New America where we feel good about murdering babies because they are not “normal”."

I do not believe anyone in here said anything about anyone feeling good about any of this situation. In fact I said that there is not good answer to this and it will not turn our well.

I will state very bluntly again that we have laws to use for guidelines in these situations not church teachings or individual faith and that is how it should be. Within the guidelines of existing laws this is the sole decision of the husband. Period.

The rest of us should step aside and know that it is a very difficult decision for him to make. This woman is dead, she died more than a month ago. Her body could not sustain life with out a machine breathing for her. There was no realistic or rational hope for her to recover or even maintain life on her own. Their baby was badly compromised from her death due to a prolonged lack of oxygen. Medical tests and scans found that the baby was badly deformed and there was a strong indication of brain damage as well.

The rest of us can sit and make big talk but we do not have the knowledge that the husband has of this situation, we do not have the responsibility to make this decision, and we do not have to live with the very real consequences of this decision. I hope no one ever has to make this decision ever again. So I'll shut up and quietly support the husband and her parents with heart felt compassion and sadness for their loss.

41 posted on 01/27/2014 9:54:11 AM PST by oldenuff2no ("For which she should be charged withNot sure a and face a jury. Not summarily executed.")
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To: oldenuff2no

“Their baby was badly compromised from her death due to a prolonged lack of oxygen. Medical tests and scans found that the baby was badly deformed and there was a strong indication of brain damage as well.”

The fact that you think this is a justification for murdering the baby is EXACTLY the problem with our society.

There was zero harm to let the baby maintain his life support system for a couple more weeks.


42 posted on 01/27/2014 11:10:33 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: greatvikingone
There was zero harm to let the baby maintain his life support system for a couple more weeks.

And just who was going to pay for that continued life support? Not that I necessarily want to put a price tag on life, but considering the evidence about the viability, I don't think it's irrelevant to the discussion.

43 posted on 01/27/2014 11:12:43 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“And just who was going to pay for that continued life support?”

Set up a fund. Millions of us willing to adopt the child would donate to keeping him alive.


44 posted on 01/27/2014 11:21:22 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: Oliviaforever
>>>Double Murder!

Double MURDER? Really? Question: Had she lived 50 years ago....would this have even been an issue? Medical technology and advances are great...and its awesome when they extend someone's life past the time they would have died if left to natural circumstances....

But to call something MURDER when IF extraordinary efforts had been withheld they would have died anyway....THAT's a BIG stretch. When your brain is dead....so are you. Turning a machine off in such an instance is not murder.

You need to keep some perspective and some context. This is the dilemma of life support. Didn't have to worry about this debate 100 years ago....1000 years ago....as they would have died. Period. If this is where we are headed....then we should be rounding up people who refuse vaccines on the grounds of attempted murder.

45 posted on 01/27/2014 11:33:55 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: greatvikingone
"The fact that you think this is a justification for murdering the baby is EXACTLY the problem with our society."

Wow. Gods provided incubator failed, malfunctioned, lost the ability to live and provide life for this baby. Why not blame the designer and manufacturer of her body? She died from natural causes her baby was badly damaged by her death and the babies live birth has been questioned since that time. Man and science did not cause the death of the mother or severely damage the child. That happened naturally and not by mankind's design or plan either.

I have not seen anything in print or heard a single person say they were glad or happy that this happened. That is a fantasy. I do not pretend to have all the facts in this tragedy and I'm very glad that I don't have to make this decision, but someone has to. Lastly I do not know what the plan was for this child but my gut tells me science and man have interfered enough in this already. There is good medicine that comforts and heals, and there is medicine that does nothing but prolong pain and suffering for the patient and family. In the end the judge, husband/father, her parents, and the hospital, all people with full knowledge of this case, all decided it was time to let go and stop interfering. I'll have to trust them and I believe they made the right, fully informed decision.

46 posted on 01/27/2014 12:33:45 PM PST by oldenuff2no ("For which she should be charged withNot sure a and face a jury. Not summarily executed.")
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