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Smith & Wesson protests California gun law (won’t sell its newest firearm in California)
Washington Post ^ | January 24, 2014 | By Reid Wilson

Posted on 01/24/2014 1:25:25 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee

One of the nation’s largest gun manufacturers won’t sell its newest firearm in California because of a state law that requires firearms to imprint a unique stamp on bullet casings.

Smith & Wesson said Thursday it would not sell a semiautomatic pistol in California because of the law, signed in 2007 by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) and implemented last year. It’s the second big gun manufacturer to pull some of its products out of California in the last several months.

The gun companies said the law, which requires each firearm to imprint a so-called “microstamp” on bullet casings, impose unbearable cost burdens. The manufacturers also said the microstamps don’t reliably achieve the goal of providing evidence to law enforcement authorities.

In a statement released to the Los Angeles Times, Smith & Wesson CEO James Debney said the law would prevent Californians from having “access to the best products with the latest innovations.”

Only newly designed semiautomatic handguns and updated or modified older models are covered under the 2007 law. The microstamp would leave a tiny etching identifying the make, model and serial number of the weapon that fired a bullet. . .

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; guncontrol; guns; rkba; smithandwesson; smithwesson
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To: Brad from Tennessee

because primers can’t be punched out and destroyed and firing pins can’t be swapped out or modified by even the dumbest criminals.


21 posted on 01/24/2014 2:19:44 PM PST by RC one
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To: DBrow

“..But will they stop selling to LEO in California? Stop servicing LEO guns as well?..”

Barrett Firearms did. They outright flat refused to do business - sales, parts, repairs - with CA because of the .50 ban.


22 posted on 01/24/2014 2:23:41 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: FatherofFive

Might become the 2nd annulment.


23 posted on 01/24/2014 2:25:07 PM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

This site is insured by Smith & Wesson.


24 posted on 01/24/2014 2:29:06 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: DBrow

The law has the potential to disarm California LEOs

No manufacturer is going to comply, because it affects their entire operations.


25 posted on 01/24/2014 2:37:54 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Fido969

“...kowtowing to the lefties ...”

Fido, I don’t think the same crew that did deals with Clinton back in the day is running S&W anymore.

If I remember correctly, they were owned for a time by a British firm (anyone clarify, please jump in)... Then that fell through, and they were re-acquired by an American firm.


26 posted on 01/24/2014 2:39:55 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Huge victory for gun grabbers. Look for other blue states to follow suit. Next? How about micro-stamping for all semi-auto rifles. This would be a backdoor AWB.


27 posted on 01/24/2014 3:03:39 PM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: RC one
because primers can’t be punched out and destroyed and firing pins can’t be swapped out or modified by even the dumbest criminals.

As I recall, it was claimed that the microstamping wears out after a hundred rounds - especially if the owner makes no effort to keep the primer area free of fine dust and sand.

But, of course, the purpose of the law is not traceability of the brass. It's to further complicate ownership of firearms, and to limit their legal supply. Illegal supplies are not affected - one can drive an 18-wheeler full of firearms across the CA state line.

Additionally, anyone can come to a range and collect as much empty brass as he cares, with all the microstamping, and leave it at the crime scene. The police will happily execute a 3am arrest, in best traditions of Stalin's NKVD, on an entirely innocent person - this will buy the real criminal an extra week.

28 posted on 01/24/2014 3:07:08 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Bogey78O

Definitely time for an initiative to throw out the so called “Unsafe Gun Act”.


29 posted on 01/24/2014 3:22:13 PM PST by TheDon (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out.)
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To: TheDon

hopefully they stop selling guns to the police departments in CA too


30 posted on 01/24/2014 3:26:14 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Jim Robinson
100%!!! mine too...
31 posted on 01/24/2014 3:28:53 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: SampleMan
How about a law that dictates that bullets must have the name of an anti-liberty socialist on them?

Millions of bullets already do.

32 posted on 01/24/2014 3:29:06 PM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: Fido969

Everybody forgets Clinton’s deal but I don’t!


33 posted on 01/24/2014 3:29:24 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Greysard

“Additionally, anyone can come to a range and collect as much empty brass as he cares, with all the microstamping, and leave it at the crime scene. The police will happily execute a 3am arrest, in best traditions of Stalin’s NKVD, on an entirely innocent person - this will buy the real criminal an extra week. “

You have raised the death nell issue with this nonsense. No court is going to allow evidence of a crime via microstamping because there is simply no way to trace the shell casing to the weapon simply because it’s found at the scene. No one could say for certain that it was actually the cartridge case from which the bullet that killed someone came. Cops will have another “throw down” to use to try and convict someone that they don’t like.


34 posted on 01/24/2014 3:46:07 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

In my opinion, carve outs such as these are a clear violation of the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment.


35 posted on 01/24/2014 4:02:40 PM PST by taxcontrol
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Fight the Leftist Gun Grabbers.
Support Free Republic.

36 posted on 01/24/2014 4:16:51 PM PST by RedMDer (Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Whats to prevent someone from picking up casings from a range then commit a crime and leave some of the casings around for police to pickup.
37 posted on 01/24/2014 4:36:45 PM PST by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: vette6387
No court is going to allow evidence of a crime via microstamping because there is simply no way to trace the shell casing to the weapon simply because it’s found at the scene. No one could say for certain that it was actually the cartridge case from which the bullet that killed someone came.

Plenty of people are cooling their heels in prisons, convicted by the weight of circumstantial evidence. Per Wikipedia:

Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact—like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or inference.

On its own, it is the nature of circumstantial evidence for more than one explanation to still be possible. Inference from one piece of circumstantial evidence may not guarantee accuracy. Circumstantial evidence usually accumulates into a collection, so that the pieces then become corroborating evidence. Together, they may more strongly support one particular inference over another. An explanation involving circumstantial evidence becomes more valid as proof of a fact when the alternative explanations have been ruled out.

Circumstantial evidence allows a trier of fact to deduce a fact exists.[1] In criminal law, the inference is made by the trier of facts in order to support the truth of assertion (of guilt or absence of guilt).

In practice, this is yet another tool for prosecution to apply pressure to the defendant and to extort confession of some guilt from an innocent person. The prosecution can always connect several seemingly unrelated facts into an "obvious" conclusion that Mr. X was the killer. All too often the justice system is not interested in finding the real killer - it is instead interested in solving the crime quickly, getting the conviction, and moving on. It all depends on morality of people who are doing the job. People like Mike Nifong and Angela Corey do not leave much hope to the accused. Juries are carefully selected among the most malleable people; judges can favor one side against the another - all this was seen aplenty in last years.

38 posted on 01/24/2014 4:45:49 PM PST by Greysard
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To: 2harddrive

Off The Pigs!

Damn I haven’t said that in 40 years.

Anyway Cali Gov. should not get any guns what so ever.


39 posted on 01/24/2014 4:47:15 PM PST by kennyboy509 ( Ha! I kill me!!!)
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To: kennyboy509

40 posted on 01/24/2014 5:30:08 PM PST by caww
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