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The Last Generation of The West and the Thin Strand of Civilization. ... VDH
PJ Media ^ | 19 Jan 2014 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 01/20/2014 1:16:57 PM PST by Rummyfan

Had the Greeks lost at Salamis, Western civilization might easily have been strangled in its adolescence. Had Hitler not invaded the Soviet Union, the European democracies would have probably remained overwhelmed. And had the Japanese just sidestepped the Philippines and Pearl Harbor, as they gobbled up the orphaned Pacific colonies of a defunct Western Europe, the Pacific World as we know it now might be a far different, far darker place.

I am not engaging in pop counterfactual history, as much as reminding us of how thin the thread of civilization sometimes hangs, both in its beginning and full maturity. Something analogous is happening currently in the 21st-century West. But the old alarmist scenarios — a nuclear exchange, global warming and the melting of the polar ice caps, a new lethal AIDS-like virus — should not be our worry.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilization; vdh; victordavishanson

1 posted on 01/20/2014 1:16:57 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Rummyfan

For later.


2 posted on 01/20/2014 1:21:39 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Rummyfan

I cannot see how this will NOT all collapse very soon.


3 posted on 01/20/2014 1:22:40 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: Rummyfan
Each day when I drive to work I try to look at the surrounding communities, and count how many are working and how many of the able-bodied are not. I listen to the car radio and tally up how many stories, both in their subject matter and method of presentation, seem to preserve civilization, or how many seem to tear it down. I try to assess how many drivers stay between the lines, how many weave while texting or zoom in and out of traffic at 90mph or honk and flip off drivers.

Today, as the reader can note from the tone of this apocalyptic essay, civilization seemed to be losing.

4 posted on 01/20/2014 1:27:25 PM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Rummyfan

I think Hanson fails to take robots and automation into account. It is a fair question to ask: what will people do when so much is automated? Even what has been outsourced will be given to the machines & software when it becomes more cost effective to do so. Even worse, the abundance that technology has produced allows people to have all kinds of fanciful notions and ignore common sense. IMHO, technology more than anything else has enabled the rise of Liberalism.

The paradox of technology is that its invention is a product of our greatness, but in many ways it also facilitates our decline.


5 posted on 01/20/2014 2:12:19 PM PST by rbg81
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To: Rummyfan; zot; SeraphimApprentice; 2ndDivisionVet; Interesting Times; NYer

thank you for posting Victor Davis Hanson


6 posted on 01/20/2014 3:20:19 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I cannot see how this will NOT all collapse very soon.

Agreed. We spent trillions of dollars to defeat the Soviet Union, only to shoot ourselves in the head.

7 posted on 01/20/2014 3:58:23 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The question of our age is whether a majority of Americans can and will vote us all into slavery.)
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To: Rummyfan

On many levels, this excellent essay is very perceptive, very true, and very disturbing.


8 posted on 01/20/2014 4:13:43 PM PST by odawg
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To: rbg81
It is a fair question to ask: what will people do when so much is automated?

Automation maintenance and repair technician. Things need servicing and occasionally break.

9 posted on 01/20/2014 5:17:10 PM PST by Disambiguator
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To: Rummyfan

See “The Marching Morons” by Cyril M. Kornbluth.


10 posted on 01/20/2014 5:40:03 PM PST by JackOfVA
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To: Rummyfan

Thanks for posting another good article by VDH. It is sad, and telling, that even on Free Republic, this article garnered only a handful of comments. His two central concepts need to be forced into the public consciousness.

His “economic” message touches on something I have tried to promote less ably: the need to replace the corrupt reportage of “Unemployment Rates”, with historical and current tracking of the “Carry Ratio” (actual workers per population).

Some of the problem results from an aging population, some from high tech efficiencies and globalism. But, the bitter truth is that far too few Americans are actually capable of producing enough value to sustain their lives at a decent standard of living, or even at all. Unless someone gives them a phone, food, health care, and housing, they will embarrass us by dying in public view. Facing that problem and doing something about it is not politically feasible, so our dear leaders postpone the reckoning with theft and national debt that can never be redeemed. Since the fundamental problem is unaddressed, the inevitable collapse will destroy the productive, leaving the dependents unsustained. But we can all thrill to the end of “income inequality” as we scrounge for the commissars’ scraps and gnaw the bark from trees.


11 posted on 01/20/2014 5:46:37 PM PST by Chewbarkah
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I could net a few hundred to several thousand per day on old, manual machines with products that would easily sell now. And a huge loan for the machines would be unnecessary. But where I live, in the middle of nowhere, there’s a zoning law against any and all manufacturing, regardless of how small.

Regulations against new, small, domestic competition are part of the problem. Regulations against owner-building and many other productive activities also contribute to the problem, as do the excuses of environmentalism, animal worship, etc. Global bosses don’t like competition, and neighors (especially many pensioners) don’t want to see men at work.

There’s the medical/insurance racket, laying in wait to take properties while gobbling up a large part of the economy. Even the divorce/cohabitation/feminism/drug regime has scattered families that could otherwise be productive. There are lawyers, CPAs and others who’ve lobbied for more complications and trade secrets to hamper do-it-yourself-ers.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide. It appears that a few folks setting social and political policies feel that there’s not enough room on this planet for the unstylish.


12 posted on 01/20/2014 6:30:49 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Rummyfan

Bm


13 posted on 01/20/2014 6:38:02 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Fzob

Bump


14 posted on 01/20/2014 6:48:13 PM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. Full communism solves the parasite problem by making people work and setting quotas.


15 posted on 01/20/2014 8:28:10 PM PST by zot
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To: Disambiguator

Yes, they will never get down to zero people needed. But it will be a tiny fraction of the workforce previously employed.


16 posted on 01/21/2014 4:05:41 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Rummyfan

bkmk


17 posted on 01/21/2014 8:35:52 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: rbg81

People asked the same thing when millions of farmhands were put out of work by the McCormick reaper and other pieces of agricultural machinery. People and markets adapted. They did not become idle and live on the dole, which would have been unthinkable.


18 posted on 01/22/2014 2:48:30 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Yeah, those people went into manufacturing. And then when manufacturing declined, they went into the service industry. But both manufacturing and services are being automated. What then? I hope you are correct, but its not clear that anything is left. My hunch is that we will have a lot of relatively educated people with not much to do. That is not a formula for social stability.


19 posted on 01/22/2014 3:47:45 AM PST by rbg81
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