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Where did Honor go?

Posted on 01/15/2014 9:56:51 PM PST by rustyboots

Where did Honor go? Do we remember honor? The idea that a person would do what was right in spite of what it might cost him? He had that ability to see what was right and move toward it, by himself if necessary.

In the last century there was General Billy Mitchell. This soldier was exposed to aircraft in World War I and somehow he was able to see into the future and after the war he argued for more emphasis on air power, both land based and sea-based. His belief in air power put him at odds with the political and military establishment at that time. Yet, he persisted, he did what he thought was important for his country. In the end it got him court-martialed and cost him his military career. A few years later we saw that he was right; Pearl Harbor.

Now let us fast forward to the present. A former Secretary of Defense has written a book that pretty much states that he while in office he had a President send America's young men into a war and that that President did not has much confidence in his plan. Yet he sent men to fight; to be wounded, maimed and killed. Did this SecDef show any honor in that he did not fight this order, that he did not publicly state this was wrong and resign his post in protest? Nope, he stayed put and watched men die.

Today we hear that during classified briefings to the Senate, a former SecDef and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs told Congress that the attack on the Benghazi diplomatic facility was a terrorist attack. Yet, neither of these men decided to publicly protect and/or resign in protest when the President stated that this wasn't a terrorist attack, but an attack because of an anti-muslim film? No, neither man could find enough honor to do so.

What is it with men such as these? Do they worry about their reputations? Their retirements? Or future book deals? The problem today seems to be that men in such positions think more of themselves than they do the men they are suppose to lead and the country they are sworn to protect. To contradict a former Secretary of State; "It really does matter".


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1 posted on 01/15/2014 9:56:51 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: rustyboots

I don’t post often, but this was something that just struck me today. I hope it makes some sense.


2 posted on 01/15/2014 9:57:38 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: rustyboots

Honor comes from God. Losing honor is a side effect of pushing God off.


3 posted on 01/15/2014 9:58:52 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: rustyboots

God bless your boots, “Rusty.”

Honor has gone with the God that got disinvited to America’s hearts.


4 posted on 01/15/2014 10:00:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: rustyboots

Yeah, I tend to yack about God a lot. That’s my weakness I guess. But when God’s invited back, honor will return too. I also write songs encouraging people to invite God back into their lives. People dumbed God down, then in their jadedness dismissed this dumbed down God. I do not sing of a dumbed down God. I sing of a God of full strength, awesome, Fatherly blessings, ready to return when asked.


5 posted on 01/15/2014 10:02:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: rustyboots

And they all stood by silently as the regime pissed on the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.


6 posted on 01/15/2014 10:04:33 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: rustyboots

If we still had honor, there would be a lot more duels.

Most virtues these days are looked upon with scorn.


7 posted on 01/15/2014 10:04:39 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: rustyboots

(I don’t mean to say people really can dumb God down. They can’t. However they can hold onto false, weak ideas of God. And they refuse a God they don’t even understand.)


8 posted on 01/15/2014 10:06:12 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: P-Marlowe

If that’s all that honor stood on, it was frightfully fragile!

That ain’t honor. That’s ego!


9 posted on 01/15/2014 10:07:02 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: rustyboots

The answer is in at least part an education system that worships at the deterministic alter of Maslow.

Every time that Maslow’s Hierarchy of Human Needs is experimentally tested it is shown to be false but it is still taught in basic education classes and used as a basis of educational and social policy. The government at the urging of the left has created huge programs and and spent trillions of dollars because of a psychological paradigm that is demonstrably false.

Maslow said that until basic needs like food and clothing were met then concepts such as personal virtue would not develop in non-self-actualized humans. This is a large part of the Poverty causes crime argument the left makes. The poor are criminals because they have no choice in the eyes of the left. Oddly they combine Maslow with the noble savage so that the poor are also good.

I could write a book on this


10 posted on 01/15/2014 10:08:39 PM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Fai Mao

And you might illuminate part of the fault, but not all of it, and certainly none of the solution. (A Book already was written about THAT.)

The bible very flatly states: give HONOR to whom HONOR is due. That’s God talking.


11 posted on 01/15/2014 10:10:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: rustyboots
Sad and frightening. America will feel the wrath of God and suffer from the machinations of satan before this is over.
12 posted on 01/15/2014 10:13:31 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: rustyboots

You single out one person and yet your criticism seems to apply to everyone in the military. Have you thought this through?


13 posted on 01/15/2014 10:14:31 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Gene Eric

“And they all stood by silently as the regime pissed on the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.”

If they had had any honor, they would have taken action similar to what the military has done in Egypt.


14 posted on 01/15/2014 10:20:20 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Kirkwood

I singled out supposed leaders, not military members of other ranks. Do you apply my criticism to all in the military because they still serve?


15 posted on 01/15/2014 10:20:27 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not necessarily. People were more polite when they knew that calling someone a racist (or saying a man’s black wife is a white man’s ho) might cost them their life.

I think the idea of defending your wife’s honor by killing the bastard who insulted her in a duel would be a step up from just allowing this kind of coarse discourse to go on unchallenged.

I say we bring back flintlocks. Most duels in the past ended up with either nobody being hit or a spectator being shot and the dueling parties just going out for a beer afterwards.


16 posted on 01/15/2014 10:23:49 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe

You dishonor God with both. Flavor A of self absorption is no more beautiful to God than flavor B of self absorption.


17 posted on 01/15/2014 10:25:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Eagles6

And it would be by invitation.

The circuit of curses CAN be broken. But we have to be willing to break it.


18 posted on 01/15/2014 10:26:38 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: rustyboots

It sounds like you are making the case that the military shouldn’t follow orders from the CIC for political reasons.


19 posted on 01/15/2014 10:28:41 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood; rustyboots

That’s not all the possibilities available here.

One would be to quit rather than to carry out a dirty order.


20 posted on 01/15/2014 10:29:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: rustyboots

Turned into being “dissed”.


21 posted on 01/15/2014 10:30:55 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

disrespected, dishonored, ???


22 posted on 01/15/2014 10:31:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar for you if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I agree. It’s spelled out in The Book. It’s all happened before.


23 posted on 01/15/2014 10:46:14 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Eagles6
Sad and frightening. America will feel the wrath of God and suffer from the machinations of satan before this is over.

I think we already are, and since I do not think there will be any great revival, back to faith in Jesus Christ, it is likely to get worse, and I mean a lot worse. I don't know what else we can do, except read our Bibles and pray, and try to stay faithful. I think persecution is just around the corner and I mean physical persecution, (torture, murder) not just the everyday anti Christian rhetoric we are used to. I just wonder if many Christians will fight back (physically). Some people I know, say that unless the slime bags wake them up, with guns drawn, they do not plan to go quietly into the night. Who knows? Hang in there bro.

24 posted on 01/15/2014 10:50:50 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You dishonor God with both.

I challenge you to a duel.

Guns or knives?

25 posted on 01/15/2014 10:54:09 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: P-Marlowe; HiTech RedNeck

I suggest words.

Literary gore refreshes the mind more than physical blood and guts strewn about the place.

Not that it will do any good, considering our collective lack of emotional intelligence.


26 posted on 01/15/2014 11:33:41 PM PST by jacquej ("It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
dissed

1. dissing someone is showing disrespect to them

2. being dissed is the act of being disconnected, by voice or by modem, from another party .

27 posted on 01/15/2014 11:34:37 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: rustyboots

She was in Goldfinger and then disappeared...

28 posted on 01/15/2014 11:57:06 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: P-Marlowe

Keepin’ it real, 19th century style...


29 posted on 01/15/2014 11:58:01 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
She was in Goldfinger and then disappeared...

She is 86 years old now, but still around.

30 posted on 01/16/2014 12:15:15 AM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: rustyboots

You ask a question I have been asking myself since Bill Clinton was elected President,Where are the Patriots,are there any left in positions to make some kind of difference?
Sadly I think I know the answer,don’t want to entertain the consequences of all this,too bad for all of us and our grandchildren


31 posted on 01/16/2014 4:18:02 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: rustyboots
Just before reading your post, I read this one:

Can We Save America? Do You Want The Truth?

I think they're related.

32 posted on 01/16/2014 4:21:02 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: vette6387

Military officer selection process weeds out risk takers.


33 posted on 01/16/2014 6:13:28 AM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: DariusBane

“Military officer selection process weeds out risk takers.”

No kidding! Every time Wesley Clark is on TV I need to puke! We would not have won WWII with these “men.” Like all education, I guess “military institutions of higher learning” have been besmirched too.


34 posted on 01/16/2014 9:05:03 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Mark17

I agree.


35 posted on 01/16/2014 9:14:20 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: rustyboots
What is it with men such as these?

In many cases, they have been carefully selected for the position they occupy.

36 posted on 01/16/2014 2:49:41 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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