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Fighting a McDonald’s in Queens for the Right to Sit. And Sit. And Sit.
The New York Times ^ | JAN. 14, 2014 | SARAH MASLIN NIR and JIHA HAM

Posted on 01/15/2014 12:17:56 PM PST by moonshinner_09

Shortly after New Year’s Day, Man Hyung Lee, 77, was nursing a coffee in his usual seat in a narrow booth at a McDonald’s in Flushing, Queens, when two police officers stepped into the fluorescent light of the restaurant.

Mr. Lee said the officers had been called because he and his friends — a revolving group who shuffle into the McDonald’s on the corner of Parsons and Northern Boulevards on walkers, or with canes, in wheelchairs or with infirm steps, as early as 5 a.m. and often linger until well after dark — had, as they seem to do every day, long overstayed their welcome.

“They ordered us out,” Mr. Lee said from his seat in the same McDonald’s booth a week after the incident, beneath a sign that said customers have 20 minutes to finish their food. (He had already been there two hours.) “So I left,” he said.

“Then I walked around the block and came right back again.”

For the past several months, a number of elderly Korean patrons and this McDonald’s they frequent have been battling over the benches inside. The restaurant says the people who colonize the seats on a daily basis are quashing business, taking up tables for hours while splitting a small packet of French fries ($1.39); the group say they are customers and entitled to take their time. A lot of time.

“Do you think you can drink a large coffee within 20 minutes?” David Choi, 77, said. “No, it’s impossible.”

And though they have treated the corner restaurant as their own personal meeting place for more than five years, they say, the situation has escalated in recent months. The police said there had been four 911 calls since November requesting the removal of the entrenched older patrons.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
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To: moonshinner_09
“Do you think you can drink a large coffee within 20 minutes?” David Choi, 77, said. “No, it’s impossible.”

Bullsh*t. Easily done.
21 posted on 01/15/2014 12:35:15 PM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Essie

How is the economy in NYC?

Can they pool their resources and rent their own place to meet and chat and play mahjongg?


22 posted on 01/15/2014 12:35:19 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Usagi_yo

If its the pic someone posted, the place is tiny


23 posted on 01/15/2014 12:36:33 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Essie

You seem to be confused about the term welfare. I shall enlighten you. They seek the private property of others in order augment, improve, or supplement their standards of living. Welfare need not involve the tranfer of cash property from the government to be welfare. They are bums, and I don’t care if they’re retired.


24 posted on 01/15/2014 12:36:51 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: 98ZJ USMC

even when you’re 74? I mean 77?


25 posted on 01/15/2014 12:37:04 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Essie

While they are not welfare bums, they are oblivious to property rights. I’d say the restraining order is the best plan. I don’t care if they have been abusing the restaurant for one month or five years, they have no right to use the space against the wishes of the property owner.


26 posted on 01/15/2014 12:37:20 PM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: moonshinner_09

A lot of seniors have coffee at McDs and hang out. But staying til after dark is extreme. In fact by lunch the tables need to go to lunch customers.


27 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:09 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: moonshinner_09

Why don’t they go to Barnes & Noble? The hippie, left wing, derelicts at mine plop down on an easy chair for hours.


28 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:23 PM PST by albie (ve`)
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To: GeronL
Can they pool their resources

That's no longer how it's done.

See my post @ #15.

29 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:27 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: moonshinner_09

They’re simply being rude and inconsiderate, but after all, this is America and they have their rights! They should all be trespassed from the premises. A few arrests and having to bail themselves out and they may not mind going to one of their community centers , , ,


30 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:27 PM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: moonshinner_09

Some people just don’t have consideration.


31 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:41 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: GeronL

From the article:

“Yet there seem to be no shortage of facilities that cater to the elderly in the neighborhood. Civic centers dot the blocks, featuring parlors for baduk, an Asian board game, and classes in subjects from calisthenics to English. Mr. Lee, who comes to the McDonald’s from Bayside, passes several senior centers en route. One is a Korean Community Service center in Flushing, which recently changed a room in the basement into a cafe with 25-cent coffee after its president, Kwang S. Kim, got word of the McDonald’s standoff.

No one has come.

“I think I have to go to McDonald’s and ask why they’re there,” Mr. Kim said.”


32 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:53 PM PST by rawhide
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To: moonshinner_09

Calling the police is unwarranted. The police are to be called for crimes. This is not a crime. If you call 911 for this, you should be arrested.

The restaurant owner can ask them to leave, and hope that the Koreans don’t tell other Koreans who then avoid your restaurant altogether.

You call the cops on me for sitting too long in a restaurant, and I’ll make sure that you wind up begging for customers.

Doesn’t look like they are splitting a small packet of FF.


33 posted on 01/15/2014 12:39:35 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I know Flushing Queens and have been to that McDonald’s many years ago.

I recall one on Main Street a few miles away had a shooting many years ago.

I assume they hang out there because its cold outside this time of year.


34 posted on 01/15/2014 12:39:40 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: moonshinner_09

Whatever happened to hanging out in the mall, that’s what oldsters used to do. Had a neighbor that did it every day, go to the mall around 9:30 and just sit on one of the benches and stay there until 3 or 4. Malls have a bit more space to spare.


35 posted on 01/15/2014 12:39:54 PM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Next they will claim the “American’s with Disabilities Act” was violated and collect huge sums of $$$.


36 posted on 01/15/2014 12:40:17 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: Doctor 2Brains
seem to forget that in America, we still have at least a smidgen of property rights

South Korea has a capitalistic economy. Perhaps you are thinking of communist China?

37 posted on 01/15/2014 12:41:51 PM PST by ELS
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To: I want the USA back

They ARE committing crimes. When somebody tells you to leave private property, and you do not leave, you are guilty of trespass in, I am sure, every jurisdiction in the universe. BTW, I wonder what would happen if I (white male) ever tried to pull that stunt. Read the entire article. Cops come, Wo Chin Fat leaves, cops leave, and We Kwong Fu walks right back in. Try it sometime. YOU WILL GO TO JAIL.


38 posted on 01/15/2014 12:41:55 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: sickoflibs

Just play the same 10 songs all day in the dining room.


39 posted on 01/15/2014 12:41:57 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: moonshinner_09

Just another example of the mindset that there really isn’t or shouldn’t be any concept of private property — those booths are for the public, just like in a park or in front of the county library.


40 posted on 01/15/2014 12:42:18 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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