Skip to comments.Fighting a McDonald’s in Queens for the Right to Sit. And Sit. And Sit.
Posted on 01/15/2014 12:17:56 PM PST by moonshinner_09
Shortly after New Years Day, Man Hyung Lee, 77, was nursing a coffee in his usual seat in a narrow booth at a McDonalds in Flushing, Queens, when two police officers stepped into the fluorescent light of the restaurant.
Mr. Lee said the officers had been called because he and his friends a revolving group who shuffle into the McDonalds on the corner of Parsons and Northern Boulevards on walkers, or with canes, in wheelchairs or with infirm steps, as early as 5 a.m. and often linger until well after dark had, as they seem to do every day, long overstayed their welcome.
They ordered us out, Mr. Lee said from his seat in the same McDonalds booth a week after the incident, beneath a sign that said customers have 20 minutes to finish their food. (He had already been there two hours.) So I left, he said.
Then I walked around the block and came right back again.
For the past several months, a number of elderly Korean patrons and this McDonalds they frequent have been battling over the benches inside. The restaurant says the people who colonize the seats on a daily basis are quashing business, taking up tables for hours while splitting a small packet of French fries ($1.39); the group say they are customers and entitled to take their time. A lot of time.
Do you think you can drink a large coffee within 20 minutes? David Choi, 77, said. No, its impossible.
And though they have treated the corner restaurant as their own personal meeting place for more than five years, they say, the situation has escalated in recent months. The police said there had been four 911 calls since November requesting the removal of the entrenched older patrons.
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The Manager should get and serve them with restraining orders. It’s not the Public Library where pervs can sit down and surf porn unhindered.
They could pool their french fry money and rent their own store front and play Chinese dominoes all day if they want.
I can drink a pot of coffee in 20 minutes. And I'm ashamed of enjoying it.
I feel sorry for the old folks but they need to find a new place to congregate.
McDonalds adopts that policy in stores where they have issues with criminal activity.
Such as the one in downtown Pittsburgh that was functioning pretty much as an open drug market. The signs showed up not long after that hit the papers.
Why do you feel sorry for the welfare begging bums—they are stealing the private property of other human beings and should be treated accordingly.
I agree. The restaurants have rights too.
The should get a restraining order against them.
It’s a private business, the goal of which is to make a profit. It has the right to turn over its tables in a timely manner, and these people are taking advantage.
This McDonald’s average sales per square foot is definitely skewed by these patrons inconsiderate behavior.
Very selfish behavior. That group is not respecting the business owners of the facility. There are plenty other senior centers, they are just caught up in stubbornness and unnecessary power struggles. OK, you want to play that game, fine. The new rules as of today say you may visit up to twenty minutes at a time or spend $6.00 or more for the next twenty minutes, after which, you must leave for at minimum eight hours. They may have to start stamping palms with an ink logo, like at a nightclub. Measures to deal with these senior may become more harsh, especially in the wake of the 71 y/o retired cop who killed somebody for texting in a theatre. This is not the hill worth dying or going to jail over, this is a food business.
These sound like the kind of people that Comrade DiBlasio pledged to help.
Let’s put a tax on McDonalds to build them a senior center!
The Wo Chin Fat Lee Trans seem to forget that in America, we still have at least a smidgen of property rights.
These are elderly retired people, NOT WELFARE BUMS. SHAME ON YOU! They are staying too long but have been doing it for five years. This situation should have been resolved a long time ago.
Name calling makes the Free Republic look like the DU.
To bad they couldn’t have just built a small sit down area for seniors. Like instead of the children’s play set, they put in senior play sets.
I know other McDonalds stores in the area that actually encourage Seniors to hang around sipping their discounted coffee. Guess it depends on their location and how much space they have available.
How is the economy in NYC?
Can they pool their resources and rent their own place to meet and chat and play mahjongg?
If its the pic someone posted, the place is tiny
You seem to be confused about the term welfare. I shall enlighten you. They seek the private property of others in order augment, improve, or supplement their standards of living. Welfare need not involve the tranfer of cash property from the government to be welfare. They are bums, and I don’t care if they’re retired.
even when you’re 74? I mean 77?
While they are not welfare bums, they are oblivious to property rights. I’d say the restraining order is the best plan. I don’t care if they have been abusing the restaurant for one month or five years, they have no right to use the space against the wishes of the property owner.
A lot of seniors have coffee at McDs and hang out. But staying til after dark is extreme. In fact by lunch the tables need to go to lunch customers.
Why don’t they go to Barnes & Noble? The hippie, left wing, derelicts at mine plop down on an easy chair for hours.
That's no longer how it's done.
See my post @ #15.
They’re simply being rude and inconsiderate, but after all, this is America and they have their rights! They should all be trespassed from the premises. A few arrests and having to bail themselves out and they may not mind going to one of their community centers , , ,
Some people just don’t have consideration.
From the article:
“Yet there seem to be no shortage of facilities that cater to the elderly in the neighborhood. Civic centers dot the blocks, featuring parlors for baduk, an Asian board game, and classes in subjects from calisthenics to English. Mr. Lee, who comes to the McDonalds from Bayside, passes several senior centers en route. One is a Korean Community Service center in Flushing, which recently changed a room in the basement into a cafe with 25-cent coffee after its president, Kwang S. Kim, got word of the McDonalds standoff.
No one has come.
I think I have to go to McDonalds and ask why theyre there, Mr. Kim said.”
Calling the police is unwarranted. The police are to be called for crimes. This is not a crime. If you call 911 for this, you should be arrested.
The restaurant owner can ask them to leave, and hope that the Koreans don’t tell other Koreans who then avoid your restaurant altogether.
You call the cops on me for sitting too long in a restaurant, and I’ll make sure that you wind up begging for customers.
Doesn’t look like they are splitting a small packet of FF.
I know Flushing Queens and have been to that McDonald’s many years ago.
I recall one on Main Street a few miles away had a shooting many years ago.
I assume they hang out there because its cold outside this time of year.
Whatever happened to hanging out in the mall, that’s what oldsters used to do. Had a neighbor that did it every day, go to the mall around 9:30 and just sit on one of the benches and stay there until 3 or 4. Malls have a bit more space to spare.
Next they will claim the “American’s with Disabilities Act” was violated and collect huge sums of $$$.
South Korea has a capitalistic economy. Perhaps you are thinking of communist China?
They ARE committing crimes. When somebody tells you to leave private property, and you do not leave, you are guilty of trespass in, I am sure, every jurisdiction in the universe. BTW, I wonder what would happen if I (white male) ever tried to pull that stunt. Read the entire article. Cops come, Wo Chin Fat leaves, cops leave, and We Kwong Fu walks right back in. Try it sometime. YOU WILL GO TO JAIL.
Just play the same 10 songs all day in the dining room.
Just another example of the mindset that there really isn’t or shouldn’t be any concept of private property — those booths are for the public, just like in a park or in front of the county library.
I never see hippie, left wing, derelicts at my Barnes and Noble.
LOL Lady Gaga and Ke$ha....
These guys are the yellow peril personified—they are almost certainly lying about where they come from, and about everything else for that matter.
Isn’t that loitering?
I know a guy who managed a K-mart that stayed open till 8PM Christmas Eve. At 8 the customers would not leave, and new ones would not refrain from entering the building. They had him outnumbered so calling the cops was all he could do.
They probably got jobs as Obamacare Navigators....
They could rent this
And trespassing... Asked to leave and then refusing to do so.
It’s beyond obvious that his first decision was to stay there for two hours plus, not to get the large coffee.
I think Kim Kwang-S. (why abbrv the S? Soo?) needs to drag them to his place
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