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Fighting a McDonald’s in Queens for the Right to Sit. And Sit. And Sit.
The New York Times ^ | JAN. 14, 2014 | SARAH MASLIN NIR and JIHA HAM

Posted on 01/15/2014 12:17:56 PM PST by moonshinner_09

Shortly after New Year’s Day, Man Hyung Lee, 77, was nursing a coffee in his usual seat in a narrow booth at a McDonald’s in Flushing, Queens, when two police officers stepped into the fluorescent light of the restaurant.

Mr. Lee said the officers had been called because he and his friends — a revolving group who shuffle into the McDonald’s on the corner of Parsons and Northern Boulevards on walkers, or with canes, in wheelchairs or with infirm steps, as early as 5 a.m. and often linger until well after dark — had, as they seem to do every day, long overstayed their welcome.

“They ordered us out,” Mr. Lee said from his seat in the same McDonald’s booth a week after the incident, beneath a sign that said customers have 20 minutes to finish their food. (He had already been there two hours.) “So I left,” he said.

“Then I walked around the block and came right back again.”

For the past several months, a number of elderly Korean patrons and this McDonald’s they frequent have been battling over the benches inside. The restaurant says the people who colonize the seats on a daily basis are quashing business, taking up tables for hours while splitting a small packet of French fries ($1.39); the group say they are customers and entitled to take their time. A lot of time.

“Do you think you can drink a large coffee within 20 minutes?” David Choi, 77, said. “No, it’s impossible.”

And though they have treated the corner restaurant as their own personal meeting place for more than five years, they say, the situation has escalated in recent months. The police said there had been four 911 calls since November requesting the removal of the entrenched older patrons.

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If I owned a resturant I would not want people taking up tables for hours while splitting a small packet of French fries .And one guys says it's impossible drink a large coffee within 20 minutes?” “The group passed a lot of sit-down time. Refusing to let other customers sit.”..This is how resturants go broke. I wan ban them all.Enough is enough.They order them out and within minutes they come right back in.
1 posted on 01/15/2014 12:17:56 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

The Manager should get and serve them with restraining orders. It’s not the Public Library where pervs can sit down and surf porn unhindered.


2 posted on 01/15/2014 12:21:12 PM PST by AU72
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To: moonshinner_09

They could pool their french fry money and rent their own store front and play Chinese dominoes all day if they want.


3 posted on 01/15/2014 12:23:45 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: moonshinner_09
“Do you think you can drink a large coffee within 20 minutes?” David Choi, 77, said. “No, it’s impossible.”

I can drink a pot of coffee in 20 minutes. And I'm ashamed of enjoying it.

4 posted on 01/15/2014 12:23:49 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I feel sorry for the old folks but they need to find a new place to congregate.


5 posted on 01/15/2014 12:24:51 PM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: moonshinner_09

McDonalds adopts that policy in stores where they have issues with criminal activity.

Such as the one in downtown Pittsburgh that was functioning pretty much as an open drug market. The signs showed up not long after that hit the papers.


6 posted on 01/15/2014 12:26:36 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: iowamark

Why do you feel sorry for the welfare begging bums—they are stealing the private property of other human beings and should be treated accordingly.


7 posted on 01/15/2014 12:26:42 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: moonshinner_09

I agree. The restaurants have rights too.


8 posted on 01/15/2014 12:27:05 PM PST by rawhide
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To: moonshinner_09
Where you going to sit down at in a place like this?


9 posted on 01/15/2014 12:29:49 PM PST by rawhide
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To: moonshinner_09

The should get a restraining order against them.


10 posted on 01/15/2014 12:30:32 PM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: moonshinner_09

It’s a private business, the goal of which is to make a profit. It has the right to turn over its tables in a timely manner, and these people are taking advantage.


11 posted on 01/15/2014 12:30:53 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: moonshinner_09
Hire some of Holder's people to crowd into the both with them.
12 posted on 01/15/2014 12:31:10 PM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: moonshinner_09

This McDonald’s average sales per square foot is definitely skewed by these patrons inconsiderate behavior.


13 posted on 01/15/2014 12:31:12 PM PST by griswold3 (Post-Christian America is living on borrowed moral heritage)
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To: moonshinner_09

Very selfish behavior. That group is not respecting the business owners of the facility. There are plenty other senior centers, they are just caught up in stubbornness and unnecessary power struggles. OK, you want to play that game, fine. The new rules as of today say you may visit up to twenty minutes at a time or spend $6.00 or more for the next twenty minutes, after which, you must leave for at minimum eight hours. They may have to start stamping palms with an ink logo, like at a nightclub. Measures to deal with these senior may become more harsh, especially in the wake of the 71 y/o retired cop who killed somebody for texting in a theatre. This is not the hill worth dying or going to jail over, this is a food business.


14 posted on 01/15/2014 12:31:14 PM PST by lee martell
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To: moonshinner_09

These sound like the kind of people that Comrade DiBlasio pledged to help.

Let’s put a tax on McDonalds to build them a senior center!


15 posted on 01/15/2014 12:31:47 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: rawhide
Bump in Korean is Chungdeol - 충돌
16 posted on 01/15/2014 12:31:59 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: moonshinner_09

The Wo Chin Fat Lee Trans seem to forget that in America, we still have at least a smidgen of property rights.


17 posted on 01/15/2014 12:32:15 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: Doctor 2Brains

These are elderly retired people, NOT WELFARE BUMS. SHAME ON YOU! They are staying too long but have been doing it for five years. This situation should have been resolved a long time ago.

Name calling makes the Free Republic look like the DU.


18 posted on 01/15/2014 12:32:52 PM PST by Essie
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To: moonshinner_09

To bad they couldn’t have just built a small sit down area for seniors. Like instead of the children’s play set, they put in senior play sets.


19 posted on 01/15/2014 12:33:20 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Beagle8U

I know other McDonalds stores in the area that actually encourage Seniors to hang around sipping their discounted coffee. Guess it depends on their location and how much space they have available.


20 posted on 01/15/2014 12:33:38 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: moonshinner_09
“Do you think you can drink a large coffee within 20 minutes?” David Choi, 77, said. “No, it’s impossible.”

Bullsh*t. Easily done.
21 posted on 01/15/2014 12:35:15 PM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Essie

How is the economy in NYC?

Can they pool their resources and rent their own place to meet and chat and play mahjongg?


22 posted on 01/15/2014 12:35:19 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Usagi_yo

If its the pic someone posted, the place is tiny


23 posted on 01/15/2014 12:36:33 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Essie

You seem to be confused about the term welfare. I shall enlighten you. They seek the private property of others in order augment, improve, or supplement their standards of living. Welfare need not involve the tranfer of cash property from the government to be welfare. They are bums, and I don’t care if they’re retired.


24 posted on 01/15/2014 12:36:51 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: 98ZJ USMC

even when you’re 74? I mean 77?


25 posted on 01/15/2014 12:37:04 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Essie

While they are not welfare bums, they are oblivious to property rights. I’d say the restraining order is the best plan. I don’t care if they have been abusing the restaurant for one month or five years, they have no right to use the space against the wishes of the property owner.


26 posted on 01/15/2014 12:37:20 PM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: moonshinner_09

A lot of seniors have coffee at McDs and hang out. But staying til after dark is extreme. In fact by lunch the tables need to go to lunch customers.


27 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:09 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: moonshinner_09

Why don’t they go to Barnes & Noble? The hippie, left wing, derelicts at mine plop down on an easy chair for hours.


28 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:23 PM PST by albie (ve`)
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To: GeronL
Can they pool their resources

That's no longer how it's done.

See my post @ #15.

29 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:27 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: moonshinner_09

They’re simply being rude and inconsiderate, but after all, this is America and they have their rights! They should all be trespassed from the premises. A few arrests and having to bail themselves out and they may not mind going to one of their community centers , , ,


30 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:27 PM PST by Old Grumpy
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To: moonshinner_09

Some people just don’t have consideration.


31 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:41 PM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: GeronL

From the article:

“Yet there seem to be no shortage of facilities that cater to the elderly in the neighborhood. Civic centers dot the blocks, featuring parlors for baduk, an Asian board game, and classes in subjects from calisthenics to English. Mr. Lee, who comes to the McDonald’s from Bayside, passes several senior centers en route. One is a Korean Community Service center in Flushing, which recently changed a room in the basement into a cafe with 25-cent coffee after its president, Kwang S. Kim, got word of the McDonald’s standoff.

No one has come.

“I think I have to go to McDonald’s and ask why they’re there,” Mr. Kim said.”


32 posted on 01/15/2014 12:38:53 PM PST by rawhide
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To: moonshinner_09

Calling the police is unwarranted. The police are to be called for crimes. This is not a crime. If you call 911 for this, you should be arrested.

The restaurant owner can ask them to leave, and hope that the Koreans don’t tell other Koreans who then avoid your restaurant altogether.

You call the cops on me for sitting too long in a restaurant, and I’ll make sure that you wind up begging for customers.

Doesn’t look like they are splitting a small packet of FF.


33 posted on 01/15/2014 12:39:35 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I know Flushing Queens and have been to that McDonald’s many years ago.

I recall one on Main Street a few miles away had a shooting many years ago.

I assume they hang out there because its cold outside this time of year.


34 posted on 01/15/2014 12:39:40 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: moonshinner_09

Whatever happened to hanging out in the mall, that’s what oldsters used to do. Had a neighbor that did it every day, go to the mall around 9:30 and just sit on one of the benches and stay there until 3 or 4. Malls have a bit more space to spare.


35 posted on 01/15/2014 12:39:54 PM PST by discostu (I don't meme well.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Next they will claim the “American’s with Disabilities Act” was violated and collect huge sums of $$$.


36 posted on 01/15/2014 12:40:17 PM PST by tired&retired
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To: Doctor 2Brains
seem to forget that in America, we still have at least a smidgen of property rights

South Korea has a capitalistic economy. Perhaps you are thinking of communist China?

37 posted on 01/15/2014 12:41:51 PM PST by ELS
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To: I want the USA back

They ARE committing crimes. When somebody tells you to leave private property, and you do not leave, you are guilty of trespass in, I am sure, every jurisdiction in the universe. BTW, I wonder what would happen if I (white male) ever tried to pull that stunt. Read the entire article. Cops come, Wo Chin Fat leaves, cops leave, and We Kwong Fu walks right back in. Try it sometime. YOU WILL GO TO JAIL.


38 posted on 01/15/2014 12:41:55 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: sickoflibs

Just play the same 10 songs all day in the dining room.


39 posted on 01/15/2014 12:41:57 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: moonshinner_09

Just another example of the mindset that there really isn’t or shouldn’t be any concept of private property — those booths are for the public, just like in a park or in front of the county library.


40 posted on 01/15/2014 12:42:18 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: albie

I never see hippie, left wing, derelicts at my Barnes and Noble.


41 posted on 01/15/2014 12:42:32 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: AppyPappy

LOL Lady Gaga and Ke$ha....


42 posted on 01/15/2014 12:42:48 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: ELS

These guys are the yellow peril personified—they are almost certainly lying about where they come from, and about everything else for that matter.


43 posted on 01/15/2014 12:43:01 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: moonshinner_09

Isn’t that loitering?


44 posted on 01/15/2014 12:43:03 PM PST by Fawn ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6)
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To: I want the USA back

I know a guy who managed a K-mart that stayed open till 8PM Christmas Eve. At 8 the customers would not leave, and new ones would not refrain from entering the building. They had him outnumbered so calling the cops was all he could do.


45 posted on 01/15/2014 12:43:49 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: I want the USA back
I never see hippie, left wing, derelicts at my Barnes and Noble.

They probably got jobs as Obamacare Navigators....

46 posted on 01/15/2014 12:44:04 PM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

They could rent this

http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/off/4259380367.html


47 posted on 01/15/2014 12:44:04 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Fawn

And trespassing... Asked to leave and then refusing to do so.


48 posted on 01/15/2014 12:44:10 PM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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To: Tenacious 1

It’s beyond obvious that his first decision was to stay there for two hours plus, not to get the large coffee.


49 posted on 01/15/2014 12:45:11 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: rawhide

I think Kim Kwang-S. (why abbrv the S? Soo?) needs to drag them to his place


50 posted on 01/15/2014 12:45:25 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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