Posted on 01/14/2014 4:12:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
“Of course, most of them are too high to even care about insurance and just show up at the ER with no intention of paying any bill.”
People keep saying stuff like that, or look at these two liberal homos struggling with this, ha ha.
But Cincinatus’wife is correct, it’s not just the dysfunctional and/or the obama supporters who are going to be mal-affected by this law. It is EVERYBODY. And it may do the most harm to the functional - as they will be expected to either pay through the nose or suffer the consequences.
Just look at the people in this piece, one guy was fine, had cheap insurance, the other guy had a problem (or presumably would have had a problem) getting coverage due to his health issues. Wasn’t there some way to help the second guy out without disrupting the entire system for everyone and making sure 2 gay guys have all the free birth control they will never, ever use?
This ‘herd’ is waiting for single payer. If they’re pissed off it’s because they’re still having to pay ‘something’ for healthcare.
This ‘couple’ always had the opportunity to ‘pursue their dreams’ while paying for their healthcare. That they chose not to says a lot about what they think THEY need to pay for vs. what someone ELSE should pay for them.
Their hatred of Obamacare isn’t that they’re having to pay something and that it’s screwed up. Their hatred is that it’s the INSURANCE company ‘phone people’ screwing up and the fact that they’re required to pay anything AT ALL.
I’ve seen this narrative in countless comment sections over the past 3 or 4 weeks. The idea that the reason the insurance companies had this much leeway was the dims trying to get the ‘corporatist’ republicans to ‘buy into’ obamacare at the beginning and make it a bipartisan deal. Clearly the republicans did NOT. Now the job of the left is to demonize the insurance companies for ‘taking advantage’ of the special perks put in by the dims to lure the republicans.
Note how easy it would be, from the article, for the ‘husband’ to simply sign up with medicaid and be done with it.
Why didn’t he? Because there wouldn’t have been fodder to demonize the insurance companies in a nifty little article like this one.
The goal of the left is medicaid for all. I give the insurance companies 5 years, max, before they all go under. Else we’ll be subsidizing them to the tune of trillions and it’ll amount to the same thing, budgetwise.
Two aging pajama boys encountering some semblance of reality for the first time in their lives. I can’t help but be amused.
what I thought was key was they both supported Obamacare because they wanted to quit their jobs where they had insurance coverage and pursue new careers, and that having ACA Obamacare would give them the safety net to do it.
What struck me, beyond your observation, was these are prime demographic bot supporters for whom nothing is working as promised, yet the writer still wants to see it succeed.
Note that the passive *husband* is eligible for Medicaid, where his meds will be provided, but they don’t want that.
Note also, many gays married in order for one to be eligible for the others health insurance policy, but now, there are fewer and fewer policies which provide spousal coverage. As employers have to change their offerings, even without the employer mandate, fewer and fewer will be able to offer spousal coverage or family coverage options.
In every one of these articles, the victims of zer0care state their implicit belief in the *idea* and reassert their passionate support for the Democrat Party.
“...because they wanted to quit...”
Exactly. Remember what Nancy said...?
“(CNSNews.com) – House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that Obamacare facilitates the type of “liberation” that the “Founders had in mind” because it allows you to quit your job and become a “photographer,” a “writer,” a “musician”—or “whatever.”
Does anyone see the insanity of an insurance company being forced to pay out hundreds of dollars per month more for drugs for a “chronic” illness (unnamed)than they collect in premiums.
These people obviously need some financial assistance for their medications, but we are screwing up the entire healthcare delivery system to accommodate these minorities who are otherwise uninsurable on a voluntary basis.
Simple solution is locally run health clinics funded by taxes. Most people in the country live in counties that have this type of service for poor people or the uninsured. And the participants are charged what they can pay according to thier income.
Another liberal gets mugged LMAO!!!!
In my mind, I substituted “Stephanie” for Steve as I was reading the article. That enabled me to get through it.
I’ve heard there is some buzz about the House legislating to block insurance bailouts — that then watch the ins. cos turn on a dime.
What have you heard about this in the last few weeks?
I KNOW the House leadership and the GOP-e contingent is less than worthless, but is there anything to this?
That was my crutch too.
Check your pings. I pinged you to an article about just that.
IMHO there are no good guys in this. Insurance companies were big supporters of obamacare because they were salivating at the thought of a guaranteed income stream. A mandated guaranteed income stream. Either via paying customers, or outright bailouts.
Government, as we all know, was planning on being the single provider all along. Either directly, or indirectly via the insurance companies.
Why would his husband qualify for his income to be seperate from the writer? Didn’t it list that Miles was eligible for medicaid? Wouldn’t his income be lumped together with the husband?
If Steve and his husband think they have problems now, just wait until their identities are hacked...
Nah. They'll just get put on Medicaid. No problem.
bflr
I know libs here and they all state their faith in the Federal government to get it right eventually, given enough $$$$ (which they see as unlimited ) and determination.
There is an amazing similarity between Dems and Obamacare and Republicans and the Iraq invasion, many Republicans still believe that we could straighten that place out with unlimited time and $$$$..
One of Obama’s main campaign promises in 2008 was to ‘get us out of Iraq’ which Hillary ran on too,
cant help wonder if GOP candidates in 2016 will be running on ‘Get us out of Obama-care’
“In the summer of 2013, Miles and I, both 41 years old, quit our jobs in Washington. Miles was a producer at WJLA, the ABC affiliate in Washington D.C., but he longed to return to school for a new degree and a different career. I was at POLITICO realizing that my life as a freelance journalist was far more engaging, empowering and lucrative than chronicling the petty, overly intertwined worlds of D.C. politics and journalism.”
Oh crikes!!! This is all I need to know. Two Obots with fantastic jobs in state run media in the middle of a depression just up and quit. Now they are boo hooing because they can’t get new insurance same as the old insurance. How many people would have killed to get off unemployment and get a job like these two had?
In a system where the Central Government, i.e., the State, collects all the money from those with ability, and redistributes the money to the community, each according to their need, comes damn close to what Karl Marx decreed for his Commune-Style Utopia, to wit:
“FROM EACH ACCORDING TO HIS ABILTY, TO EACH ACCORDING TO HIS NEED.”
Currently that system of redistribution creates all of the US Federal Budget Defecit every year: 40 % of all Federal spending is spent on Welfare, and 40 % of Federal Spending is borrowed.
America was founded on FREEDOM OF CHOICE, which our Founders called LIBERTY.
During our Civil War, we as a Society, chose to confuse the difference between Freedom and Liberty, and that confusion exists to this day.
Freedom leads to Anarchy if accountability is not imposed. Liberty includes accountability for ones actions or inactions.
Obamacare is a mandatory edict from the Central Government that restricts all of our medical insurance choices, and thus restricts our Liberty.
We choose who we want to represent us, and they choose what freedoms of choice they want to deny us, and thus how much Liberty they choose for us to lose.
Total Freedom of Choice leads to anarchy, whereas Liberty contains the discipline of accountability for ones actions or inactions.
For example, in a system based on total Freedom, I may choose to trip you as I walk past you, knowing that I will not be held accountable for my actions or for any harm that comes to you.
In a system based on Liberty, I know that if I trip you that I will be obligated to apologize, pay for any damages to you, and provide a significant extra compensation to you as an example to others as to why they should not consider harming others.
Each Regulation that our Representatives place on us reduces our Freedom of Choice, and thus our Liberty.
As a Society fails, fewer and fewer people are held accountable for their actions, or lack of actions.
This in turn causes the well-meaning Representatives to pass more and more Regulations that decrease more and more of our Freedom of Choices and thus our Liberty.
In time, the Regulations become more relied upon than Laws, as the sense of accountability all but disappears, as is true today, IMHO.
At some point Anarchy becomes dominant, Regulations cease to maintain order, and the Central Government assumes all control.
_____________________
In summary, in the continuum from total Freedom to Dictatorial Slavery, there is one small sweet spot of civilized behavior, one set of Checks and Balances that was devised by our Founding Fathers. It is unique and precious to all who love Liberty.
That set of Checks and Balances has not been used in this Century by the Representatives that we have elected.
Thus, it is incumbent on we, the people, to hold our dysfunctional Representatives accountable for their lack of action for not using the Checks and balances that we play them to use.
Hence, it has been very easy to take over the Federal Government by a few men and women who oppose Freedom of Choice, acceptability and Liberty, because they knew that the Congressional Republicans would not use their Constitutional Checks and Balances.
“Evil trumps cowardice every time.”
That is the general outline of our fallen US Federal Government today, where one political party was able to impose a mandatory tax over the objection of 85 % of the population, and do it without effective objection in just 11 months.
Apply whatever political system names to what I have described, as they are all degrees of Slavery that History shows will not end well.
Exactly.
As P.J. O'Rourke once so sagely observed, "If you think medical care is expensive now, just wait until it's free!". Our husband and his husband ain't seen nothin' yet!
If you want to see our future, don't look to the NHS. Britain still has a modicum of private payer available. Look to the Soviet "health care" system instead.
You'll be a lot better off going to your Vet's office for your health care needs. Maybe take your hamster to the local hospital instead if you don't care much what happens to him?
Or, if you are really desperate and decide to go to a "doctor", make sure you take a healthy bribe with you if you want to be anything other than ignored or butchered. But don't expect the consultation to be in any sort of English you can understand.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.