Welcome to Medicaid for All

Townhall.com ^ | January 7, 2014 | Mona Charen

[saganite]

These recommendations and criticism of govt healthcare have been around for years and have had zero effect on the debate. We’re headed for single payer and there’s no going back until the system completely crashes of its own weight.

[Blood of Tyrants]

The Rats never let a bad idea die, in fact, they are always looking to expand them.

[stockpirate]

EXACTLY, that’s why everyone who can read should go and sign up today, help crash the system.

[Charles Henrickson]

The Washington Post's Ezra Klein. . . . "If the point of health care reform is covering people who need health insurance. . . ."

This clause reveals the liberals' faulty premise. In truth, the point of the federal government is that it only exercise those powers explicitly delegated to it in the Constitution. Stealing money from some citizens (no matter how rich or evil), against their will, in order to give it to other citizens (no matter how nice or needy), or to pay their bills--that is not a power granted to the federal government in the Constitution. In fact, it is a form of involuntary servitude, which is prohibited in the Constitution. Yet this redistribution of wealth is the foundational tenet of the modern Democrat Party (since FDR).

[DJ MacWoW]

"Of course, I want people to have health care," Obama supporter Cindy Vinson said.

"I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

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[Politically Correct]

We’re headed for single payer and there’s no going back until the system completely crashes of its own weight.

Agreed
Let's just look at what it will cost to put everyone on Medicare.
Medicare already consumes 3X what is put into it by the FICA deductions from those that are working.
This is 3% of your gross earnings....thus that needs to be increased to 9% of your earnings to actually cover what is being spent on those 65 or over.
Now we have to add in the medical expenses of everyone else thus raising the contribution to at least 15%(estimate)of gross earnings.
That's quite a hit to the productive part of society.

The above are just a SWAG guess. Maybe someone here could find a better approximation of the actual costs.

[AlanGreenSpam]

Right Charles...

I always cite the 13th Amendment to dumbfound liberals:

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

Ummm, so I suppose the PRODUCERS in society are being PUNISHED FOR SOME SORT OF CRIME by the CONSUMERS (the GimmeDats)? /sarc

[ArmstedFragg]

The primary reason for the jump in Medicaid enrollment is that a change in the qualifications was included in the ObieCare bill. The same thing could have been accomlished with a one paragraph bill, and the remaining ObieCare funding could have used to increase Medicaid pay-out thereby not only saving billions, but actually improving the program’s quality of care and... most importantly... actually producing a net increase in the number of insured, something they haven’t accomplished so far.

[Carry_Okie]

See tag line.

[OldArmy52]

Well, Obaba likes Medicaid as he stole almost one trillion from Medicare.

Relative’s health insurance was $235/month.
Obama cancelled it and now?
ObamaCare equivalent: $409/month
Thanks Obama! /s

re. Medicaid...I knew a doctor who took Medicaid...was very frustrating for the doctor who said the Medicaid paid low, paid slow and often rejected claims which had to be repeatedly re-submitted. As soon a she had enough “paying patients” (with real insurance), she stopped seeing taking Medicaid patients...just was not worth the hassle.

But now, we have Obama Cr*pCare! Glory be!
“If you like your doctor....”
“If you like your insurance...”
“You will save $2,500 per year....”

[arthurus]

Medicaid IS single payer.

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[arthurus]

Everybody signing up would be the Democrat/Socialist dream come true. Then everyone would be on Single Payer Health and the Miracle Medical advances of the Western World would be no more. No more research. No more new procedures. No more new medicines. No more new antibiotics to replace the ones fading due to pathogen immunity. It wouldwill be 1910 again. You get sick you die.

[upchuck]

EXACTLY, that’s why everyone who can read should go and sign up today, help crash the system.

As I understand it, NOT signing up will crash the system sooner. Read about the "death spiral."

[4Liberty]

They’ll take your money,
then force you to lobby /protest /grovel /petition to get it back.

[lentulusgracchus]

Yet this redistribution of wealth is the foundational tenet of the modern Democrat Party (since FDR).

The hallmark of every form -- Bolshevist, Fabian, Maoist -- of socialism is its complete disrespect for every alternative tradition of government. It has a Mephisto-stink of self-importance (Satanic pride?) about it.

[lentulusgracchus]

You get sick you die.

Especially if you're one of those hated Norman Rockwell Americans. Die, die, all die! </Ezekiel Emmanuel>

[arthurus]

It goes for the elite, too. I truly think they do not understand the ramifications of eliminating the last freemarket medicine on earth. Or they do and do not consider it because that is in the future and those people think about the future abstractly in terms of bringing the perfect society to Man. They also tend to think that researchers will do their researching for love of Mankind and will work for free. All the other expenses, of which the pay of the personnel is not the major portion, will just disappear in the socialist utopia. They point to all the medical research going on in Switzerland and Germany which have their own socialized medical systems but that research is dơne for the American Market which is the only way it gets paid for. When the American Market is gone, so is medical research. In a government system medicine is just one expense that has to be balanced against Military and Welfare and the funds required to finance the extreme amount of corruption that is endemic to the system. Research offers no immediate benefits and will not be paid for or will be financed meagerly with funds that will mostly get diverted to politicians personal interests.

[lentulusgracchus]

In a government system medicine is just one expense that has to be balanced against Military and Welfare and the funds required to finance the extreme amount of corruption that is endemic to the system.

In the 60's a book appeared about the defeasance of the French navy in WW II by an (embarrassed) former French officer, Pierre Auphan. Auphan pointed directly to the socialist schemes of the former Socialist government of France, for the material and training deficiencies that largely immobilized the French fleet during the War. He also made the point that the Socialists always intended social schemes to compete with defense priorities, as a way of deflating the latter and weakening the country.

IOW, social schemes are basically an engine for destroying nation-states from within.