Posted on 01/07/2014 9:55:32 AM PST by NYer
“Now they are left with a dog and expensive kitchen.”
That is an excellent description of the older white liberals I’ve met! Divorced or unmarried, but often multiple divorces. No kids, or no kids who want to be around them. Bitter about men, but lovers of government. I’d swear some of them think Obama will be at their bedside when they are dying. More likely, it will be Obama’s Father, coming to take their shriveled souls...
I believe you are correct.
Every year 2.48 million (mostly white, majority R voting) people die and are replaced by 2.5 million (heavily minority, largely D voting) people (births and immigrants).
“It took a lot of sacrifice on our parents’ part,but it can be done.”
Your parents could do things in the ‘30’s you can’t do today. My grandfather installed windows, tore down and salvaged buildings and remodeled and built homes from scratch and lifted pianos and safes to second and third floor rooms. Today you’d have to get liscences, permits, bonds, pay unemployment comply with work rules and be incorporated to do most of the things he did. The government assumes if you’re going to build a home that you’re in the business of doing so and you must incorporate, apply for and acquire certification, licenses, pay taxes etc. So you can’t just take a job now and then as they come available. Then there are the taxes on the property you already “own.” in 1995 I paid $500 in property taxes. Just ten years later it was $1600 dollars. The county declared that the extra lot I own next door is valued at $28,000 even though I showed them none have sold for more than $8,000. (Those were sold by banks, they said, and didn’t count.)
By making it harder to make money the state makes it harder to have children. Then the state steps in and says you’re not treating your kids right or are abusing them and threatens to take them away for being too fat or too thin.
To have more children we need less government at all levels.
“On top of all of this, my wife and I talk all the time about how unjust would it be to bring a child into the world as it is? There’s so much death and destruction in our world now, and I feel like I would be helpless to make a child’s life great with so much devastation on the horizon.”
“Whenever I am in any sort of public gathering I am struck with how few visibly pregnant women there are. Random chance would dictate at least enough to notice.”
In my area, at these gatherings, there are few pregnant American women but 1 out of 4 Hispanic women are.
No. Five.
“I am astounded at the number of people I know of my generation who fall into one of these categories:1.Never married
2.Married but no children
3.Married with only one child
On the bright side, we and our children are doing our part to make up for it.
PS: Most of the above have nicer homes, cars and vacations than we, but our weekends and holidays more fun.”
Same here; those unmarried or married without children often treat pets as kids.
How about MOST of them are Muslim?
I’ve pointed out on FR going on 10 years now a simple reasoning that goes like this:
—> Higher Taxes and Inflation
—> Women moved to workforce
—> Female Independence
—> More Divorce, Abortion and Lower Fertility Rates
—> Demographic Vacuum sucking more Foreign Immigration
—> Cultural Changes that are Un-American
—> Public Education Abandons Moral Instruction
—> Hedonism, Selfishness, More Divorce and Lower Fertility Rates
A vicious cyle is created with the root laying at higher taxes and men unable to support a family.
All of the the above and the following has developed since the 1960s.
1. The income tax bite on the middle class has doubled and the average family budget portion for the family home mortgage has nearly tripled. This is the result of increased government and Fed Reserve induced inflation on home values. This is not free market capitalism at work, this is greed at work and a government that does not know its limits.
2. The failure of family budgeting has caused women to enter the workforce in droves and has spurred egalitarianism with respect to gender. Women working compelled younger women to seek higher education and to climb income ladders within organizations. Higher incomes for women have made them less dependent on men who lost their role as traditional breadwinners. Independent minded women are also less attractive to traditional men. The result is childbearing is put off until the biological clocks force women to settle with an often further result of divorce while maintaining independence and having children.
3. Public education has eviscerated Christianity from the classrooms and auditoriums. This has led to young people with no firm moral grounding. Hence, divorce, hedonism and selfishness have pervaded the culture in the name of “Let’s have fun!” and “What’s in it for me?”. Critical thinking is a thing of the past. Everything fashionable is based on going along to get along with an occasional argument based on moral relativism and most importantly public education fosters a ‘never question authority’ ethos.
All of this started with massive taxation on the middle class. The tax code must be reformed. The FairTax is by far the best solution for federal tax reform.
I wonder. Families need to be encouraged. The biggest reason I hear for not having children is fear of the cost of education. Also the desire for two income families to 'keep up'. Divorce is easy, the pill is handy, gay marriage and the single mom are in style. The stay at home Mom is considered a waste of talent.
I wonder. Families need to be encouraged. The biggest reason I hear for not having children is fear of the cost of education. Also the desire for two income families to 'keep up'. Divorce is easy, the pill is handy, gay marriage and the single mom are in style. The stay at home Mom is considered a waste of talent.
I think you are on to something there.
Sociologist often opine that as general wealth goes up, birthrates go down, supposedly because people don’t need to have litters anymore in order to raise one or two to maturity.
But I wonder, because generally speaking as wealth goes up, so does the size of government since they have more to siphon off, then come the never ending interferences that make it so difficult to get anything done, not to mention sap your energy and interest in even bothering to create and build. Easier to sit on the sofa.
Writing a century and a half before the birth of Christ, the Greek historian Polybius observed “nowadays all over Greece such a diminution in natality and in general manner such depopulation that the towns are deserted and the fields lie fallow. Although this country has not been ravaged by wars or epidemics, the cause of the harm is evident: by avarice or cowardice the people, if they marry, will not bring up the children they ought to have. At most they bring up one or two. It is in this way that the scourge before it is noticed is rapidly developed.”
He concluded by urging his fellow Greeks to return to their historic love of family and children. “The remedy is in ourselves,” he wrote. “We have but to change our morals.” His advice, unfortunately, went largely unheeded.
The demographic winter of the Greek city-states led to economic stagnation and military weakness, which in turn invited invasion and conquest. After a century of increasing dominance in the Eastern Mediterranean, Rome finally annexed the Greek city-states in 146 B.C.
In my last neighbor I knew almost all of the young families. I had a highly compensated job and could have afforded a home in a nicer neighborhood but saw no reason to waste the money. But most of my neighbors were stretched out to the max. The husband usually had a job at less than $50,000, necessitating that the wife have a job too. They had, on average at least two cars and a few toys, like motorcycles, boats, or an exotic hobby from scuba diving in exotic locales to ballooning. In most cases the wife’s car was a BMW, Firebird or something relatively expensive for its poor utility. They went out to eat a lot. This was before the economy went bad in 2008. So, they had on average two kids. But now parents in their position are giving up the second kid, but keeping the lifestyle.
Sold my house and moved into a doublewide. If they did that they could easily afford the kids and have the mother (or father) stay home with the kids. But, I notice, lifestyle is more important than kids.
You see it in single apron sinks…(you need two sinks, one to hold the dirty pots)…they have these nonsensical plumbed "pot fillers"--(the hard part is getting rid of the used hot water, which can be dangerous)…porous back splashes (stone and brick) that are impossible to clean…stovetops that face the wall, instead of in that fabulous island (the cook needs someone to talk to)…
The designs and layout are just miserable if you actually stop an imagine preparing a mean.
Thanks for that.
Yes ... BIG lovers of government! One of them, a truly lovely woman, was a major supporter of Obama. Then again, so were my parents ; - (
These women may well become the victims of their government love. It doesn't take a psychic to see how the decision made to legalize abortion (which they supported) has shriveled the taxpayer base to the point where the SS pyramid has been turned upside down. IOW, these retired (retiring) baby boomers are now claiming social security. The younger generation, shrunken through the abortion of their peers, will soon be asked to pay higher taxes to support, not only Obamacare but Social Security for a large aging generation. It won't take long before they begin to beat the drum to legalize euthanasia,
I agree on that one. My wife and I are shooting for four children at an income of 45,000-50,000 annually. What’s shocking here is that plenty of couples we know seem too scared to have even one at the same income level.
A lot of people have simulated children, or play around in virtual reality, there’s plenty of 20s and early 30s, plenty of men and some women, that are into video games, why have the real trauma of a child when you can enjoy the virtual life? It’s sick, but it’s true.
“What’s shocking here is that plenty of couples we know seem too scared to have even one at the same income level.”
A baby with no medical issues whatsoever costs roughly $7,500 just to have it. It used to be probably a few hundred and an overnight stay in the hospital after birth. I wish you and your wife the very best of luck.
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