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Kepler-62f: A Possible Water World
Space.com ^ | January 2, 2014 | Elizabeth Howell

Posted on 01/05/2014 7:42:47 PM PST by lbryce

The artist's conception depicts Kepler-62f,a super-Earth-size planet in the habitable zone of a star smaller
and cooler than the sun, located about 1,200 light-years from Earth in the constellation Lyra. The small
shining object seen to the right of Kepler-62f is Kepler-62e.

Kepler-62f is a remarkably Earth-like planet about 1,200 light-years from our planet. The world is only 1.4 times bigger than Earth and is in orbit around a star that is somewhat dimmer and smaller than the sun. It orbits in what is believed to be the habitable region of its star.

The planet was announced in 2013 as part of a larger bonanza of seven exoplanets announced around the stars Kepler-62 and Kepler-69. Another notable discovery at the same time was Kepler-62e, which is also close to Earth's size (at 1.6 times the radius) and in the habitable zone.

Separately, a modeling study of Kepler-62e and Kepler-62f suggested that the planets would likely be engulfed in water, which could lead to life that is very different than our own.

"There may be life there, but could it be technology-based like ours? Life on these worlds would be under water with no easy access to metals, to electricity, or fire for metallurgy," modeling lead author Lisa Kaltenegger, of the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy and the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said in a statement in 2013.

"Nonetheless, these worlds will still be beautiful blue planets circling an orange star — and maybe life’s inventiveness to get to a technology stage will surprise us," she added.


This diagram compares the planets of the inner solar system to Kepler-62, a five-planet system about 1,200 light-years from Earth in the constellation Lyra. The five planets of Kepler-62 orbit a star classified as a K2 dwarf, measuring just two thirds the size of the sun and only one fifth as bright.

Discovered by Space Telescope

Kepler-62f was discovered using the Kepler space telescope, an observatory that discovered thousands of exoplanet candidates before it ceased its primary mission in 2013. (As of late that year, NASA was evaluating new missions for the telescope, which was in an extended mission and now has two malfunctioning reaction wheels originally intended to keep it pointed in the right direction.) [Infographic: NASA's Planet-Hunting Kepler Telescope Explained]

The planet makes a complete circle of its red dwarf star every 267 days and orbits at about the equivalent distance of Venus to the sun in our own solar system. Although this puts the planet far closer to its star than Earth is to the sun, the red dwarf does not produce as much light. This means that the region around the star where planets could have liquid water is much closer than that of our own solar system.

Kepler-62f, however, is the farthest known planet in its system and may require quite a bit of cloud to insulate the planet and keep water above freezing. If that were the case, water would likely be there in abundance. Researchers pointed out that life on Earth itself was believed to have started in an aquatic environment.

"Look at our own ocean — it is just absolutely full of life," said Bill Borucki of NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif., leader of the team that discovered the two exoplanets, in 2013. "We think, in fact, life [on Earth] might have begun there."

The key to a more advanced civilization, however, may lie in pockets of dry land. Technology (as we would understand it, at least) would be difficult to develop unless any alien creatures could work out of the water.

"We might not have gotten off four legs" if humanity's predecessors came to be on Kepler-62e or Kepler-62f, Borucki added in the interview. He said a human that somehow found him or herself on the Kepler-62f would have no trouble walking around, as the gravity is gentle.

Breathing, however, would be another matter. The soupy atmosphere of Kepler-62f could prove difficult for humans to breathe, unless they were to come with special equipment, researchers pointed out.

"If you want to write a science-fiction story, and you land on both [62e and 62f], at least be sure that on f you don't want to take your mask thingy off," Kaltenegger said.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: astronomy; extrasolarplanets; kepler62b; kepler62c; kepler62d; kepler62e; kepler62f; science; xplanets
I find it really annoying about the way the media talks up the the discovery of possible Earth-like habitable planets as if they were a few hours space trip away. First is the breathless way they discuss it as if there might be a thriving civilization in which to exchange email or an instagram or two. Secondly, as a possible refuge from Earth when Global Warming drowns the planet in melted icebergs, then boils off the water leaving a globe of dust behind. The distance to any Earth like world boggles the mind in having to ovrcome the technological hindrances required even for the simplest decades or longer exchange of greetings. It's just a fantasy to ever think we could manage to seek out new life, new civilizations when you can hardly get there at least in less than a century or two with present technology.
1 posted on 01/05/2014 7:42:47 PM PST by lbryce
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To: SunkenCiv

Your planet is waiting for you.


2 posted on 01/05/2014 7:43:22 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce

Every time we find out something new about our own earth, I reflect on how much they seem to know about planets 1200 light years away.


3 posted on 01/05/2014 7:46:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero!)
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To: lbryce
a) Luminosity of this star is 0.21 of the Sun. Ice world, not waterworld.

b) We will NEVER know if the Creator made life there or not. Not in this life.

4 posted on 01/05/2014 7:47:03 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: lbryce

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgoumMA8kHE


5 posted on 01/05/2014 7:49:36 PM PST by struggle
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To: lbryce

And only 1200 light years away, too.


6 posted on 01/05/2014 7:52:39 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The War on Drugs has been used as an excuse to steal your rights. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: lbryce

Maybe you think that it is a fantasy, but I believe there are others out there. Yes, I do believe in UFOs.


7 posted on 01/05/2014 7:59:08 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014 the year of dead RINOs)
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To: lbryce

you get it right? the godless leftists need nothing so much as the discovery of life on another planet to buttress their evolutionary, psuedo “scientific” claims about the “origin of species or life (really the mis-application of one method of inferring history by historical consensus, and absolutely not true, replicable popperian science). discovering life on another planet is the only way they can achieve any similitude to the replication of result required by true science.

they believe it would simultaneously “prove” their claims about evolution while refuting the Bible. it is one of the leftists’ “holy” grails and at the foundation of their belief system.


8 posted on 01/05/2014 8:02:14 PM PST by dadfly
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To: lbryce

Even if astronomers can confirm water on another planet outside of our solar system what’ll we do then? It’s not like we can just jump in our Millenium Winnebagos and check it out.

Why don’t we dedicate more of our time and resources finding water and possible life here in the Sol system?


9 posted on 01/05/2014 8:03:47 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: lbryce

>> It’s just a fantasy ... with present technology.

The inevitable precursor to innovation.


10 posted on 01/05/2014 8:06:12 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: lbryce

11 posted on 01/05/2014 8:07:46 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: lbryce

Oh, I don’t know. If islam does not drag us back into the Stone Age or some other (most likely self-inflicted) calamity does not shut down the progress of our (Western) culture, in a few hundred years I bet we crack the “warp drive” problem. There actually is some serious science laying the groundwork now. The energy requirements are WAY beyond anything we can generate, but eventually we’ll get out there.

Alternatives include hibernation and automated exploration.

Bottom line: The human race just may make it to these exo-planets. Of course, if humans do, it will be well after we personally are all gone and dust...


12 posted on 01/05/2014 8:08:56 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: dadfly

I bet if we do find aliens, they celebrate things that looks a lot like our Christmas and Easter. After all, there is only one Creator. So if life is not unique to this ball of dirt (Earth), why would His grace be?

Now wouldn’t that make the libs heads explode? LOL.


13 posted on 01/05/2014 8:11:45 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: lbryce

Don’t despair - NASA to the rescue...

http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive


14 posted on 01/05/2014 8:16:16 PM PST by aquila48
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To: dadfly
How would finding life on another planet refute the bible? The bible doesn't speak about life on other planets, or cell phones, or anti-biotics. It just doesn't apply.

/johnny

15 posted on 01/05/2014 8:31:25 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JoeProBono

I was surprised it took 11 posts for the first reference to one of the worst movies, EVER; and certainly about the biggest box office bust of all time.


16 posted on 01/05/2014 8:33:54 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: struggle
what the heck was that?

17 posted on 01/05/2014 8:48:32 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi :-)
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To: JoeProBono

18 posted on 01/05/2014 8:49:22 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: lbryce

You were wise to add ‘at least with present technology’.


19 posted on 01/05/2014 8:54:49 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: piytar

Shucks, we don’t even know if Efram Cochran has been born yet! Tapping the zero point field may be just in this decade.


20 posted on 01/05/2014 8:59:06 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

macro evolution refutes the Bible (i.e., Genesis) by definition.


21 posted on 01/05/2014 9:01:29 PM PST by dadfly
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To: lbryce

It’s just a fantasy to ever think we could manage to seek out new life, new civilizations when you can hardly get there at least in less than a century or two with present technology.


With a decent sized snow storm it’s can be hard to get to Walmart..

And these guys to want to travel a zillion miles to get to who knows what?..
Probably run out of toilet paper first..
Next!..


22 posted on 01/05/2014 9:05:08 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: dadfly

Nonsense. It depends upon your temporal frame of reference. From God’s position (at the Big Bang beginning) until our epoch is less than seven days, if the frame of temporal reference uses the doubling of the size of spacetime as an ‘each day’. Marco evolution would be only brief moments in such a day, mere blinks of God’s eye.


23 posted on 01/05/2014 9:09:28 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: piytar

if intelligent beings from “outer space” ever contact me (i know they’ve already contacted many others by all reports ;)), i wouldn’t be surprised to find that out at all. of course, angels kinda foot that bill already.


24 posted on 01/05/2014 9:11:38 PM PST by dadfly
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To: lbryce
It's just a fantasy to ever think we could manage to seek out new life, new civilizations when you can hardly get there at least in less than a century or two with present technology.

Century or two?

If only it were that short....

25 posted on 01/05/2014 9:17:06 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: MHGinTN

there’s no doubt God created time (and is therefore is it’s Master) along with with the universe (space, matter/energy).

I’ll bite though, why don’t you quote me a verse in Genesis where God deploys natural selection to aid in His creation. I’ll be happy to look it up.


26 posted on 01/05/2014 9:23:44 PM PST by dadfly
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To: backwoods-engineer

Luminosity != total energy output. More of Kepler 62’s output is in the infrared range. Also, the planet is stated as being located in that star’s “habitable zone” which means the amount of energy those planets get is enough to allow liquid water, and their apparent size means enough atmosphere to keep it from freezing.


27 posted on 01/05/2014 9:25:24 PM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: dadfly

I’ve never tought of it that way but it is absolutely true. Very interesting point.


28 posted on 01/05/2014 11:15:47 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: ExCTCitizen
You missed the point. I've never implied there's no intelligent life out in the Universe other than our own, that I discouraged the possibility or that I wouldn't be thrilled, exhiliarated by the prospect. As William Shatner said, he considers it mathematically impossible for life not to exist other than on our planet(unless, of course you were compelled to believe mankind is singularly unique, all alone in the Cosmos, theologically speaking) considering the seemingly infinite vastness of space.

What I said was that even if somehow we discovered a planet that was Earth-like and seemed capable of harboring life, what would you do then? Hop into your starship, demand Scotty to fire up the warp engines and ask him to give it all she's got?

Even merely only sending a message that would travel at the speed of light at the incomprehensible rate of 186,000 miles per second, it would still take at least a quarter century to send a message, hope they were able to intercept it, understand it, embrace the reality of our existence, unravel the language, cultural barriers, and supposing they even gave a damm to be curious, bother about us, to send a return message, hoping we intercept, interpret it, all of which would take decades.

That's the kind of fantasy turned reality that I just don't have the emotional, existential resources, mindset to commit to on a such a long-term century-based time frame.

29 posted on 01/05/2014 11:37:46 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you.I’m too much of a Star Trek:The Original Series fan to make an unqualified statement as to put a limit on Mankind’s imagination, capabilities regarding what the future might hold.


30 posted on 01/05/2014 11:42:43 PM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce

More commie, godless, sodomite scientists lying and stealing our money and guns. Down with science!!!


31 posted on 01/05/2014 11:50:59 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: lbryce

I have a question. Our “space craft” lift off from Florida and go “up” but really they’re going “out”. What would they find if they lifted off from the North Pole and truly went “up”?


32 posted on 01/06/2014 12:15:06 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: VerySadAmerican
On that same inexplicable notion, what would they find if they lifted off from the South Pole, the very bottom of the Earth, and truly went "down"?

I'm trying to make sense out of the question you posted and the only thing I can come up with that would explain the cryptic nature of your post is that you're some sort of secret agent, either for the Federal government, say, the NSA, Homeland Security, etc. or agent for the FSB, successor to the defunct Soviet Union's KGB or lastly perhaps employed by the NKSP, North Korean Secret Police, as undercover agent on a covert mission to infiltrate the Global Pedophilia Network (GPN) gain their confidence, have them reveal their organization, sources of illicit content distributed throughout their secret membership and eventually move your up the organization as Director.

Your status as uncover agent is, unlike that of England's top agent status which is classified as 007, license to kill, your special privileged agent status is classified as BB one and three quarters, license to chill.

I see your cryptic statement as means to making contact with your local support team who would instantly recognize your query about the North Pole launch as password that coneys to them your identity as agent for NKSP and to provide you full tactical, technical support for your reconnaissance mission in the infitration of the GPN. Good Luck.

33 posted on 01/06/2014 1:25:30 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce; KevinDavis; annie laurie; Knitting A Conundrum; Viking2002; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...
I need a new planet where I can resume wearing a Speedo. Thanks lbryce.
 
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34 posted on 01/06/2014 4:48:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: lbryce

Rather than technology based life, I would expect a simpler form of say a hive based civilizations such as those that exist on earth. The insects are able to use their bodies and locally available materials to expand their capabilities.

That is, high degrees of social existence can be established using very primitive adaptations evolving over eons to create very complex habitats and societies. The complexity is such that we humans have not yet learned to break the codes and communicate directly with the complex earthly insect societies.


35 posted on 01/06/2014 4:56:51 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: lbryce

I understand what you are saying. But I wonder if others are out there, do they have LIBERALS? :-)


36 posted on 01/06/2014 5:38:42 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014 the year of dead RINOs)
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To: VerySadAmerican; lbryce
I think I understand what you're asking, and it still doesn't really make sense, except in very specific cases.

If you look at it from a cosmological standpoint, there is a slight difference in travel if one is travelling in the plane of the ecliptic as opposed to travelling at a right angle to same. The reason the vast majority of our spacecraft travel in the plane is because we want them to see 'stuff', i.e., planets, asteroids, or comets. If you are not travelling in the plane, you're going to find a dearth of things to actually study.

That is not to say that there would be no value to such a path. I suspect some day in the distant we'll see a craft launched to map the extent of the solar system's heliosphere (information about this astronomical feature at the link). It might someday be useful to map this region out, but other than that, unless a craft has a specific destination outside of the ecliptic, you'll have better chances to do science within it.

 

37 posted on 01/06/2014 7:08:38 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: lbryce
"There may be life there, but could it be technology-based like ours? Life on these worlds would be under water with no easy access to metals, to electricity, or fire for metallurgy," modeling lead author Lisa Kaltenegger, of the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy and the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said in a statement in 2013.

1200 light years away and it can be determined that the entire planet is covered in water so there may not be fire?

C'mon!

38 posted on 01/06/2014 7:20:31 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend

What are you talkig about? They’e even managed to make out beach front property and land development in areas near the shores of land masses.


39 posted on 01/06/2014 7:27:30 AM PST by lbryce (Obama:The Worst is Yet To Come)
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To: lbryce

Instead of all the gibberish, answer your own question: “.....what would they find if they lifted off from the South Pole, the very bottom of the Earth, and truly went “down”? That was going to be my second question but I got tired and went to bed. I figured I could wait until morning to find out.


40 posted on 01/06/2014 9:27:42 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: lbryce
-62f

I thought this was about the temperature in my back yard this morning.

And to your point, I'm sure the Zero Regime will get oright n that just as soon as they tell NASA to stop making Muslims feel better.

41 posted on 01/06/2014 9:30:55 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: dadfly

A more foolish request I have not had tossed my way in years. Congratulations, you’re somewhat unique. I don’t even know what the Koine Greek for ‘natural selection’ would be, much less the Hebrew. But since Jesus taught Physics to Philip, as related in John’s fourteenth chapter, and described His interdimensional nature with ‘for I am in the Father and the Father is in me’, then I suppose you will be terribly disappointed that He didn’t answer your query the way you demand it be posed. Sorry about that ...


42 posted on 01/06/2014 10:35:24 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

back. sorry for my tardy reply. i have no aggument with John. God certainly created dimensionality, and His creation is all within Him. He is omnipotent, omnipresent, and all knowing.

i’m at a loss to it’s relevance at this point. you’re way off my original point in this thread.

i’ll just mention in my defense of my “foolishness” that *selection* itself is an ancient concept, with well known application (domestication of animals, etc). it’s really nothing new at all, even though Darwin’s so called “theory” has recast it as a replacement for God in creation.

it seems to me that God could have called out natural selection explicitly instead of going out of His way in Genesis to emphasize the *supernatural* means of His creation (e.g., forming Adam directly from matter).

well, i’m done with this, but have the last word if you want. God bless.


43 posted on 01/07/2014 9:24:15 AM PST by dadfly
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