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Barf! Subtle Distortion in Universe's Oldest Light: Swirls in Remnants of Big Bang
Science Daily ^ | Dec. 13, 2013

Posted on 01/05/2014 8:22:25 AM PST by GodAndCountryFirst

South Pole Telescope scientists have detected for the first time a subtle distortion in the oldest light in the universe, which may help reveal secrets about the earliest moments in the universe's formation.

The scientists observed twisting patterns in the polarization of the cosmic microwave background -- light that last interacted with matter very early in the history of the universe, less than 400,000 years after the big bang. These patterns, known as "B modes," are caused by gravitational lensing, a phenomenon that occurs when the trajectory of light is bent by massive objects, much like a lens focuses light.

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A friend sent me this nonsense.

You know what? If scientists want to use their own money to try to find evidence for the discredited "big bang" nonsense, that's fine. But the South Pole Telescope was funded with our tax dollars!

Funny how you can't use tax money to fund creation science - somebody might be offended - but there seems to be unlimited money to chase unproven non-Biblical theories. I guess it's alright to use tax money if it offends Christians!

I KNOW the origin of the universe! God, who designed and built the universe, told us how he did it. I don't need money used to try to disprove God's Word! What a huge waste of money.

1 posted on 01/05/2014 8:22:25 AM PST by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Pie Ala Mode.... YES

B Modes...No!


2 posted on 01/05/2014 8:25:39 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ( a Safe..and Sane....2014 To All!)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Remember God also gave us minds and curiosity.


3 posted on 01/05/2014 8:26:03 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
I KNOW the origin of the universe! God, who designed and built the universe, told us how he did it. I don't need money used to try to disprove God's Word! What a huge waste of money.

I'm a Christian.

I disagree with you. Completely. We're investigating the Clockmaker, taking apart the clock, examining it, and in the process, we will only confirm that He exists. It's a great use of the money.

We should spend more.

The sciences: Chemistry, biology, physics--are only confirming that this is an ordered universe.

Why the fear? Relax. It's all gonna work out to be fine. It was always planned to. ;)

4 posted on 01/05/2014 8:31:23 AM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Another commie plot by commie scientists? Oh, nooo!!!


5 posted on 01/05/2014 8:32:22 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

It was playful for God to create a Universe 10,000 years ago with abundant evidence of being more than 10 billion years old.


6 posted on 01/05/2014 8:34:53 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

I smell fear.


7 posted on 01/05/2014 8:36:32 AM PST by null and void (It is as if they all had one head. Too bad they don’t all have one neck.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

“I KNOW the origin of the universe! God, who designed and built the universe, told us how he did it.”

I agree, but He did not explain why the early light was polarized in different ways, we have to learn that ourselves. I expect it will lead to a greater understanding of His universe.

He also did not tell us that bacteria cause diseases, and that antibiotics can help with that. He gave us the tools to learn about that, and probably guided the scientists who did discover that..


8 posted on 01/05/2014 8:36:45 AM PST by DBrow
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To: sauron

Hmmmm. I’m not the only one apparently...


9 posted on 01/05/2014 8:37:15 AM PST by null and void (It is as if they all had one head. Too bad they don’t all have one neck.)
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To: chessplayer
Another commie plot by commie scientists? Oh, nooo!!!

Don't make the mistake of confusing bogus "climate change" science with legit science.

10 posted on 01/05/2014 8:38:25 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
"...to try to find evidence for the discredited "big bang" nonsense"

Seriously? Every glance into the universe does nothing but confirm the Big Bang.

11 posted on 01/05/2014 8:38:38 AM PST by MeanGreen2008
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To: sauron
I disagree with you. Completely. We're investigating the Clockmaker, taking apart the clock, examining it, and in the process, we will only confirm that He exists. It's a great use of the money.

Thank you. This is an incredible discovery. It's a threat to the ignorant, not those who believe in God.

12 posted on 01/05/2014 8:40:34 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: sauron
I disagree with you. Completely.

Same here. Furthermore, I am troubled by the growing anti-science mentality that is co-opting conservatism as of lately. It is embarrassing to see people trumpet ignorance as though it is a badge of honor.

It's gotten so bad that I fully expect every candidate running with an (R) after their name will be asked how old they think the earth is in an effort to drive away educated, suburban voters.

13 posted on 01/05/2014 8:41:19 AM PST by Drew68
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To: chessplayer
There ARE in fact several serious fundamental problems with the standard Big Bang model.

They are as follows...

Problems with the Big Bang

The hot big bang theory has been extremely successful in correlating the observable properties of our Universe. However, there are some difficulties associated with the big bang theory. These difficulties are not so much errors as they are assumptions that are necessary but that do not have a fundamental justification. The required discussion is technical, so we will be content with a rather superficial statement of the three basic problems that are associated with the big bang and how they might be cured by a new idea that arises from considering the implications of elementary particle physics for cosmology.

The Horizon Problem
We have already encountered the horizon problem in conjunction with the discussion of the cosmic microwave background: when we look at the microwave background radiation coming from widely separated parts of the sky, it can be shown that these regions are too separated to have been able to have ever communicated with each other even with signals travelling at light velocity. Thus, how did they know to have almost exactly the same temperature? This general problem is called the horizon problem, because the inability to have received a signal from some distant source because of the finite speed of light is termed a horizon in cosmology. Thus, in the standard big bang theory we must simply assume the required level of uniformity.

The Flatness Problem
The experimental evidence is that the present Universe has very low geometrical curvature in its spacetime (it is nearly flat). Theoretical arguments that are well established but too complex to go into here suggest that this is a very unlikely result of the evolution of the Universe from the big bang, unless the initial curvature is confined to an incredibly narrow range of possibilities. While this is not impossible, it does not seem very natural.

The Monopole Problem
The only plausible theory in elementary particle physics for how nuclei in the present universe were created in the big bang requires the use of what are called Grand Unified Theories (GUTs). In these theories, at very high temperatures such as those found in the instants after the Universe was created the strong, weak, and electromagnetic forces were (contrary to the situation today) indistinguishable from each other. We say that they were unified into a single force. Although there is as yet no certain evidence for the validity of such theories, there is strong theoretical reason to believe that they will eventually turn out to be essentially correct. Our current understanding of elementary particle physics indicates that such theories should produce very massive particles called magnetic monopoles, and that there should be many such monopoles in the Universe today. However, no one has ever found such a particle. So the final problem is: where are the monopoles?

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/bbproblems.html

14 posted on 01/05/2014 8:41:56 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
I KNOW the origin of the universe! God, who designed and built the universe, told us how he did it.

When did he do that? Who designed and built him? It seems you should know these things.

15 posted on 01/05/2014 8:44:30 AM PST by rickmichaels
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Yes scientists are wasting their time on these silly things like the origins of the universe

They should study really important stuff like this:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/01/04/study-dogs-relieve-themselves-in-line-with-earths-magnetic-field/


16 posted on 01/05/2014 8:44:56 AM PST by woofie
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To: chessplayer
Re: There ARE in fact several serious fundamental problems with the standard Big Bang model.

Moreover, the supposed "cure" to 'fix' the standard BB theory (ie, Inflation theory) is even more flawed than the BB...

The Inflationary Universe

The preceding problems with the big bang can be alleviated all at once (at least in principle), by a new kind of cosmology called the inflationary universe.

The Theory of Inflation

In the corresponding theory of inflation, the Universe, because of properties of elementary particles not accounted for in the standard big bang models, expands for a fleeting instant at its beginning at a much higher rate than that expected for the big bang. This period, which is called the inflationary epoch, is a consequence of the nuclear force breaking away from the weak and electromagnetic forces that it was unified with at higher temperatures in what is called a phase transition. (An example from everyday life of a phase transition is the conversion of ice to liquid water.)

This phase transition is thought to have happened about 10-35 seconds after the creation of the Universe. It filled the Universe with a kind of energy called the vacuum energy, and as a consequence of this vacuum energy density (which plays the role of an effective cosmological constant), gravitation effectively became repulsive for a period of about 10-32 seconds. During this period the Universe expanded at an astonishing rate, increasing its size scale by about a factor of 1050. Then, when the phase transition was complete the universe settled down into the big bang evolution that we have discussed prior to this point. This, for example, means that the entire volume of the Universe that we have been able to see so far (out to a distance of about 18 billion light years) expanded from a volume that was only a few centimeters across when inflation began!

Solution of the Problems of the Big Bang by Inflation

If this inflationary epoch really took place, it could cure all the problems of the big bang mentioned above. Briefly,
  1. The tremendous expansion means that regions that we see widely separated in the sky now at the horizon were much closer together before inflation and thus could have been in contact by light signals.

  2. The tremendous expansion greatly dilutes any initial curvature. Think, for example, of standing on a basketball. It would be obvious that you are standing on a (2-dimensional) curved surface. Now imagine expanding the basketball to the size of the Earth. As you stand on it now, it will appear to be flat (even though it is actually curved if you could see it from large enough distance). The same idea extended to 4-dimensional spacetime accounts for the present flatness (lack of curvature) in the spacetime of the Universe out to the greatest distances that we can see, just as the Earth looks approximately flat out to our horizon. In fact, the inflationary theory predicts unequivocally that the Universe should globally be exactly flat, and therefore that the average density of the Universe should be exactly equal to the closure density. It is this prediction that we alluded to earlier when we said that there were theoretical reasons to believe that the density of the Universe was exactly equal to the critical closure density.

  3. The rapid expansion of the Universe tremendously dilutes the concentration of any magnetic monopoles that are produced. Simple calculations indicate that they become so rare in any given volume of space that we would be very unlikely to ever encounter one in an experiment designed to search for them.
As if this were not enough, the theory of inflation also presents an unexpected bonus.

A Bonus: Density Fluctuations as Seeds for Galaxy Formation

In addition to (potentially, at least) solving the preceding problems of the big bang, the theory of inflation presents a bonus: detailed considerations indicate that inflation is capable of producing small density fluctuations that can later in the history of the Universe provide the seeds to cause matter to begin to clump together to form the galaxies and other observed structure. See the subsequent discussion of structure growth in the Universe.

Problems with Inflation

Although inflation has many attractive features, it is not yet a proven theory because many of the details still do not work out right in realistic calculations without making assumptions that are poorly justified. Probably most cosmologists today believe inflation to be correct at least in its outlines, but further investigation will be required to establish whether this is indeed so.
17 posted on 01/05/2014 8:48:26 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Those swirls may be when God zapped mankind for not obeying his commands.


18 posted on 01/05/2014 8:49:36 AM PST by jayrunner
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
You know what? If scientists want to use their own money to try to find evidence for the discredited "big bang" nonsense, that's fine.

Uhh, dude. You seem to be as confused about BBT as many evolutionists are.

BBT is essentially a restating of Genesis 1:1. Suddenly, the Universe and Time came into existence from nothing.

BBT says nothing at all about what caused the Universe to come into being. It is entirely compatible with the Bible's account.

19 posted on 01/05/2014 8:51:37 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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I agree. You are correct.

“let there be light. . .” = instantaneous creation = Big Bang.


20 posted on 01/05/2014 8:57:57 AM PST by Hulka
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