Posted on 01/05/2014 2:15:51 AM PST by kathsua
why can't the people at the hospital understand that the family would be more accepting of their daughter's death if they knew doctors had tried to revive her instead or quickly writing her off as dead.
Nothing like instilling a little fear into the family.
You know ... I AM the big dog hospital, and I know best, and if you take her away from ME ... wellll ... I can just tell you WHAT !
Just because we have the ability to keep her breathing and her heart beating with machines does not mean she is alive and it does not mean that it is the right thing to do.
It was NOT a routine surgery. Please refer to the three or four other article posts for more information.
If the case stands as you hold it, your conclusion is solid. On the other hand, hospitals should not be able to hold patients against the wishes of patients and next of kin—I initially thought that this was about the kid in Boston who has essentially become a ward of the hospital.
They understand perfectly. To them, that girl is either a live body or a dead body that they control, and the parents have lost all rights to get her back. They would want to be in control and would go to the courts if they decided she's alive and the parents wanted to take her home.
In my mind, whether this girl is alive or dead shouldn't even be part of the discussion. The issue is that the parents should always have the right to take their child home from the hospital. What's being tested here is death panels, and if the hospitals start getting away with this stuff, a lot more people will be declared dead and families will lose all ability to control the situation.
A wealthier more connected family would never be the one to challenge the hospital's playing God. I suspect that in those cases the family would more likely be part of the decision making process. My prayers are with this family, for supporting life, and saying they hospital doesn't get to say who will live and who will die.
That is called informed consent. If they moved her and her heart stopped (she is already dead) then many would scream they didn’t know the risks. The remainder is plain old contract law and a court order thst is unambiguous. The hospital had nothing to do of say in it. Why do you hate the hospital so much?
My prayers are with this family, for supporting life, and saying they hospital doesn’t get to say who will live and who will die.
You’re not supporting life, as there isn’t any, she’s brain dead. However, I agree if the parents want to take the child’s body elsewhere, wherever elsewhere is, let it happen.
But the fact is this child is dead. Death labels are about rationing. There can be monretioning here because as a matter of science, medicine and then law the patient has died.
You are correct the hospital doesn’t determine who lives and dies. This determination it made my physicians. Five physicians who have examined the child have pronounced her dead. The one physician who says she is “alive” has not even examined her. So he is stirring the pot nothing more. Any physician knows you don’t diagnosed less you examine the patient. Before you say to me that I have not examined the patient how do I know, I am relying on the accuracy of the FIVE independent physicians of which the family selected three who HAVE made an examination.
I don't know that. There's no contention that these are bad parents, so I just don't see why the girl wasn't released to the parents without the hospital preventing it. This is allowed now, but it took a lawyer and the courts to let it happen....it shouldn't come to that.
I'll always put two things way ahead of the hospital or medical interests....the possibility of life and parents' rights.
It just sounded so threatening.
There might still be something underhanded going on right now—an effort to delay feeding her until starvation starts causing organ damage, making recovery increasingly less likely.
After three weeks of starvation, she is likely looking starved, her liver and kidneys are severely stressed, and her heart is at risk.
quickly writing her off as dead? The hospital has been ventilating a corpse for almost a month.....
As for a botched tonsillectomy she did not have a tonsillectomy, she had a much larger procedure called a UPPP. The hospital cannot “botch” anything, its a building. It would be a doctor or nursing staff that did the botching, if there was any, which has not been proven
However, the hospital administration is absorbing a huge bill that will not be paid by family or insurance for every day they are forced to continue the charade.
You are correct the hospital doesn’t determine who lives and dies. This determination it made my physicians. Five physicians who have examined the child have pronounced her dead. The one physician who says she is “alive” has not even examined her. So he is stirring the pot nothing more. Any physician knows you don’t diagnosed less you examine the patient. Before you say to me that I have not examined the patient how do I know, I am relying on the accuracy of the FIVE independent physicians of which the family selected three who HAVE made an examination.
From my understanding , they weren't. The hospital typically can't release someone who cannot function on their own until they have another entity to release them to. Either the coroner if she's dead, or another medical facility if she still requires medical care.
The powers-that-be had to issue a special waiver so she is released under the sole responsibility of her mother...(who probably STILL won't admit she's gone even if they say so)
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IMHO, the girl's been dead since before Christmas, and the mother is a poster child for the selfish, entitled, its-not-my-fault shallow thinking generation the Democrats have purposely bred.
Routine tonsillectomy, there is no such thing. Especially on an obese child with obstructive sleep apnea. People need to read the pre-op consent. I’m sure it mentions brain damage and death. Any surgery on the airway is high risk. Hospitals promote themselves as spa’s while they are dangerous places that should be avoided. Her post-op care may have been negligent, but a post-op bleeding tonsil cause me anxiety when I get to take of one. Too bad this poor child was the one in 500,000 that do die from routine surgery.
The more I read, the more I think this poor child was a causality of quick fix medicine. You know, the if-you-have-a-problem-take-a-pill mindset that seems to pervade our society.
Nothing is ever mentioned about the girl trying to lose weight...... at all.
Again, that’s not the issue. The parents should have the right to bring their child (or as those doctors say her body) home or move her to another facility, and the hospital should not have the right to stand in their way.
You are correct. And as such the hospital does not have any responsibility to continue its present course. If the parents want to ventilate the corpse then they should be wholly responsible for transport, setting up other arrangements. You see that no other institution has accepted the body. As a matter of freedom I have zero problem with the parents frankly doing what they want with the body of their child. What you are asking is for the hospital to continue to provide services and participate in the facade and taxpayers to pay for it. I do not support this theory especially since we are dealing with a dead body.
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