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Liberals find comfort level in 'NPR of gun clubs'
San Francisco Chronicle (SF Gate) ^ | January 2, 2014 | Carla Marinucci

Posted on 01/02/2014 8:10:59 PM PST by Navy Patriot

Marlene Hoeber is feisty, tattooed, transgender, a self-described feminist, a queer activist - and a crack shot with her favorite "toys," guns of just about every kind.

One thing she's not - and proud of it - is a member of the National Rifle Association.

"We make ourselves a special place where we don't have to hear about the 'Kenyan Muslim socialist' in the White House," said Hoeber, a biotech equipment mechanic who says she's politically "somewhere around Emma Goldman," the turn-of-the-20th century anarchist.

Instead, Hoeber - whose array of firearms includes an M1 carbine rifle from World War II and a custom-made .44-caliber pistol - and other left-leaning gun lovers have their own organization: the Liberal Gun Club.

A good thing, says Hoeber, since she would never consider joining any club that has "Grover Norquist on the board," as the NRA does.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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1 posted on 01/02/2014 8:10:59 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: marktwain

Ping.


2 posted on 01/02/2014 8:12:40 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Sideshow freaks with guns. Yuck.


3 posted on 01/02/2014 8:13:37 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Loose lips sink ships!


4 posted on 01/02/2014 8:14:59 PM PST by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed!)
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To: Navy Patriot

Heart attack in 3, 2, 1...

0 and the Lefties can’t have a liberal running around shooting guns. Especially not a gay one. That goes against their ‘code’...


5 posted on 01/02/2014 8:18:29 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: BenLurkin

Fellow Travelers. The Second Amendment has no such reservations. Our prejudice with the source has no bearing on their rights. I welcome them to the fight for our rights.


6 posted on 01/02/2014 8:20:10 PM PST by theneanderthal
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To: Navy Patriot
she would never consider joining any club that has "Grover Norquist on the board,"

She/he shares that sentiment with Freepers.

7 posted on 01/02/2014 8:21:09 PM PST by Kennard
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To: BenLurkin

No, the Left has always had its guns. The Nazis, the Communists, the Klan. If this woman and her ilk had their way they would disarm everyone else. You can tell whoever wrote this doesn’t know squat about guns. A carbine is not a rifle anymore than a minivan is a race car.


8 posted on 01/02/2014 8:22:22 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: Navy Patriot

What this stupid woman doesn’t understand is the NRA was originally formed to give blacks in the South guns and the know-how to use them as protection against The Ku Klux Klan. Ironic in a way, both of them being totalitarian types.


9 posted on 01/02/2014 8:25:23 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: goodtomato
> Loose lips ...

The subject of the article is a "transgender" who now identifies female, meaning she was previously a he, and is now presumably altered in the necessary places.

So is your comment quoted above a commentary on the results of the surgery?

I mean, that is one guilty-as-hell "female":


http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/25/50/47/5671370/3/628x471.jpg

10 posted on 01/02/2014 8:29:30 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is...sounding pretty good about now.)
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To: jmacusa

It is not a woman.


11 posted on 01/02/2014 8:29:36 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Navy Patriot

“Socialist” is a epithet to her?? I don’t think so, not when she’s talking to her liberal buddies.


12 posted on 01/02/2014 8:29:55 PM PST by expat1000
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To: jmacusa
The NRA was not very political until they started passing ridiculous gun laws.
13 posted on 01/02/2014 8:32:13 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: BenLurkin

Good God! And ‘’it’s’’ armed!


14 posted on 01/02/2014 8:32:50 PM PST by jmacusa ("Chasing God out of the classroom didn't usher in The Age of Reason''.)
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To: jmacusa

Well, I remember seeing a video of a minivan outrunning a Corvette in quarter mile...

At any rate, I am a conservative gun enthusiast and gun owner that will have nothing to do with the NRA. It has nothing to do with their politics, but it has everything to do with their business practices. The NRA will give your email address to hundreds of spamming companies and those companies will send you unsolicited and unwanted products accompanied by a bill with the NRA proudly endorsing the unwanted and unrequested product.
That is no way to treat a dues paying member of an organization.
Not long after this happened to me, I brought it up to the gun club that I am a member of because they require an NRA membership to be part of the club. I am now no longer a member of that club and wouldn’t use their range if it were free.
The NRA has done some great things. They’ve also done some downright crappy things to dues paying members.


15 posted on 01/02/2014 8:34:35 PM PST by CPONav
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To: Navy Patriot

It’s just an anti-NRA hit piece. I call BS.


16 posted on 01/02/2014 8:35:30 PM PST by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Navy Patriot

I know some lesbians and virtually all of them are armed. Some are law enforcement, others P.I.s, others just plain ol’ private citizens. The number with CCWs is pretty surprising. Some vote Dem, some are actually semi-religious conservatives.

Now, I am talking Texas lesbians so take that for what it’s worth.


17 posted on 01/02/2014 8:41:45 PM PST by FAA
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To: theneanderthal
While I disagree with the physical act of homosexuality, I believe homosexuals have all the rights granted by God to humans, including self defense and the means to accomplish it.

I will shun any efforts to promote homosexuality to children, but offer peaceful coexistence.

But I ain't gonna give 'em PC speech, protected class or knock off the gay jokes.

18 posted on 01/02/2014 8:43:01 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: CPONav

http://www.nra.org/privacy.aspx


19 posted on 01/02/2014 8:44:30 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Spirochete
It’s just an anti-NRA hit piece. I call BS.

I see glaring contradictions in logic, so that occurred to me as well.

Still, I didn't call it because these people may understand the political importance of firearms and the armed citizen and/or the armed sovereign individual, while being a liberal drone who MUST. RESIST. EVIL. NRA.

20 posted on 01/02/2014 8:53:10 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: smokingfrog
The NRA was not very political until they started passing ridiculous gun laws.

Yep, back in the day they trained young people to safely handle firearms and safely hunt.

I be one of 'em.

21 posted on 01/02/2014 8:56:43 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Why are they using the word “liberals” when I thought that these days they wanted to be called “progressives”?


22 posted on 01/02/2014 8:56:45 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Navy Patriot
Still, I didn't call it because these people may understand the political importance of firearms and the armed citizen and/or the armed sovereign individual

These people aren't real gun owner's; they're "plants". This story is staged to smear conservative gun owners and 2nd Amendment defenders.

23 posted on 01/02/2014 9:01:58 PM PST by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: thecodont
Why are they using the word “liberals” when I thought that these days they wanted to be called “progressives”?

Honest answer, I think they change their name every time the general public sees enough damage from their policies to tire of 'em.

Then they come up with a new brand name and a new program to accomplish the same old goals.

24 posted on 01/02/2014 9:05:09 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I believe that if gays did what regular folks do, keep their private business private, we wouldn’t be having these issues. But they insist on throwing their dirt in everyone’s faces in an effort to feel normal. A shrink would be helpful in most cases.


25 posted on 01/02/2014 9:08:38 PM PST by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: ez

I agree.


26 posted on 01/02/2014 9:11:33 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot
"We make ourselves a special place where we don't have to hear about the 'Kenyan Muslim socialist' in the White House"

At least get the whole title correct, beast: it's the illegitimate, bisexual, Marxist Kenyan Muslim Usurper.

27 posted on 01/02/2014 9:12:22 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: CPONav
...At any rate, I am a conservative gun enthusiast and gun owner that will have nothing to do with the NRA. It has nothing to do with their politics, but it has everything to do with their business practices. The NRA will give your email address to hundreds of spamming companies and those companies will send you unsolicited and unwanted products accompanied by a bill with the NRA proudly endorsing the unwanted and unrequested product...

I have been a Life Member since the late 1970s and have never received any of this spam. I have no idea why your experience is so different from mine, but I suspect the spam comes from some other source than the NRA.

28 posted on 01/02/2014 9:14:10 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Old Sarge

That’s why my first comment was a caution.


29 posted on 01/02/2014 9:17:51 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot
That's a man, Baby!

Affirmatively participating in another person's delusion will not cure their mental illness.

30 posted on 01/02/2014 9:23:31 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Navy Patriot

I don’t care to look at their guns, as long as they leave mine alone.

Simply. I will keep mine.......

I’m not going to get into any boxcar or on a train.

My neighbors feel the same way.

So stay away and leave us alone.


31 posted on 01/02/2014 9:24:39 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Spirochete
You may very well be right.

There is one paragraph:

The group also views monetary disincentives to gun ownership, such as ammunition taxes, as "class barriers" blocking the poor from exercising their constitutional rights.

A true statement and important concept, and the way a leftist would put it.

32 posted on 01/02/2014 9:25:13 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: jmacusa
... the NRA was originally formed to give blacks in the South guns and the know-how to use them as protection against The Ku Klux Klan...

Fascinating, and useful info.

Might there be a link handy?

TIA.

.

33 posted on 01/02/2014 9:31:15 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: jmacusa

Only the highly informed know that gun control in the United States had as it’s primary purpose the disarmament of emancipated Blacks post Civil War. Kudos.


34 posted on 01/02/2014 9:33:11 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Well, I don’t know about anybody else, but I don’t mess with Texas.


35 posted on 01/02/2014 9:34:41 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot

36 posted on 01/02/2014 9:36:01 PM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: CurlyDave; CPONav
Same experience with spam here, absolutely none, email or snail mail since the mid eighties. It might have to do with no annual membership signups?

This is the second time I have seen a FReeper claim that the NRA was spamming him or selling his email and address.

Tempted to call BS, but you never know how the address might have been leaked.

37 posted on 01/02/2014 9:39:12 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: smokingfrog

I was an NRA member but didn’t renew when they supported the re-election of Harry Reid.

Now, though, I can see how I was wrong. Reid was certainly a more powerful potential ally than Sharron Angle for their important single issue of second amendment rights. More than that, he and Pelosi brought us Obamacare, which has done more to educate the public about the consequences of the socialist progressive agenda, and the deception and deceit with which it is sold. Obamacare, as it collapses, will advance the re-election prospects of Republicans, which would never have happened without a Harry Reid.


38 posted on 01/02/2014 9:43:19 PM PST by MikeNJ
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To: ez

I look at it like this: Chip Coffey is a psychic, been on a few episodes of Paranormal State. He’s gay. I think he mentioned it like a couple times on his Facebook page. Ryan Buell from that show is bisexual. He mentioned it once in his blog, and hasn’t addressed it since. Jim Parsons is gay, but he just goes about his business.
Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin I despise, because they make everything about being gay. I mean, at some point, its just, have some dignity guys. Zachery Quinto came out in an interview, he was asked are you gay, he said yes. And he then went on with other subjects, because where he puts his junk is not his sole focus. The only time he ever really talked about it was in an interview where they were asking him about a scene in American Horror Story, where his character was trying to get a lesbian to be straight. The actress is also lesbian in real life. The interviewer was all “how did that effect you as a gay man?” And he just talked about the scene without going into his sexuality, meanwhile, with clay Aiken, it would have been “well, as a gay man, it was difficult, because I’m gay. Did I mention I am gay?”
I realize this is rambling, but what I am trying to say us, I totally agree with you.


39 posted on 01/02/2014 9:45:09 PM PST by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Navy Patriot

The words of a wise man. hee hee hee

We are really friendly people. And good neighbors

“Leave us alone to live our lives in peace and we will get along fine, if that is not satisfactory, we’ll deal with it.”


40 posted on 01/02/2014 9:50:24 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: MikeNJ

Correction: “the election prospects of Republicans.”


41 posted on 01/02/2014 9:51:28 PM PST by MikeNJ
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To: Eagles6

Best comment of the day!


42 posted on 01/02/2014 9:54:28 PM PST by allendale
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To: Seaplaner

NRA Created To Protect Free Slaves (March 5, 2013)

http://www.westernjournalism.com/nra-created-to-protect-free-slaves/

Western Journalism is certainly not a Leftie Site.

There is also a video made by black NRA members saying the same thing. Pretty good testimony.


43 posted on 01/02/2014 9:56:43 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: CPONav

I have been an NRA member for a few decades, and have yet to receive unsolicited products with a bill. Besides, if you do receive unsolicited products, you are under no obligation to either pay for them or return them.


44 posted on 01/02/2014 9:57:34 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: CPONav
The NRA will give your email address to hundreds of spamming companies and those companies will send you unsolicited and unwanted products accompanied by a bill with the NRA proudly endorsing the unwanted and unrequested product.

I do not believe this is true. I have been an NRA member for almost 20 years and have signed up for every NRA based e-mail alert and offer they have presented me with. However, I have always signed up using a unique e-mail alias that I created for use only with the NRA. I have never received a single e-mail message to that address from any organization other than the NRA. If the NRA had sold my e-mail address, I would expect to have received spam from other sources. Since I haven't, I conclude that the people who whine about the NRA giving their e-mail address away are completely mistaken and defaming the NRA unjustly.

45 posted on 01/02/2014 10:00:44 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: allendale

;-)


46 posted on 01/02/2014 10:04:23 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Texas Fossil

Excellent, thanx!


47 posted on 01/02/2014 10:08:35 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: MikeNJ
I was an NRA member but didn’t renew when they supported the re-election of Harry Reid. Now, though, I can see how I was wrong. Reid was certainly a more powerful potential ally than Sharron Angle for their important single issue of second amendment rights.

Although I am a social conservative and NRA member who bitterly detests Harry Reid and almost everything he stands for, I have to agree that the NRA is a single issue organization and needs to stay true to that. I remind my shooting buddies that not a single gun control law was passed during those cold years from 2009 to 2011 when the Democrats had filibusterer proof majorities in all three branches of the federal government. Even though there were likely many reasons for this, the wisdom of the NRA's non-partisan approach clearly was primarily responsible.

48 posted on 01/02/2014 10:10:54 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

There is an “opt out” when you sign up in very small print at the bottom of the page. I missed it, my fault.
Nevertheless, I do not feel that a paying member should need to “opt out”.

NRA even specifies (again in very small print ) in their privacy policy that they will indeed give your info to organizations they they think will interest you(read: support the NRA or pay for the info).

FR has not given our info out, neither have any of the other forums or websites that I have joined that do not charge for membership.

NRA does with “implied” permission.
It’s a crappy, underhanded way to raise money off of people who are already paying.

I will continue to let everyone know about it.


49 posted on 01/02/2014 10:30:37 PM PST by CPONav
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To: jmacusa

In the second to last picture it shows her holding an M-1 carbine - not an M-1 Garand.


50 posted on 01/03/2014 2:48:30 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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