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CA:New gun law steps over 'line in the sand'
utsandiego.com ^ | 28 December, 2013 | Steven Greenhut

Posted on 12/29/2013 3:35:06 PM PST by marktwain

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To: Blue Collar Christian

Your right...on the money.


21 posted on 12/29/2013 5:21:32 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Utilizer
I mean, if I "intend" to reside there (I hear liberals are all about "intent") on a tiny piece of land that I own, I can get a DL and Mailing Address for that location, and then no longer be bound by Cali's laws, including that of firearms registration or tax requirements.

I am a resident of Idaho. Left CA in 2000. I have to work in San Diego due to security requirements. The new law expands the old "handgun importer" to "personal firearms importer" and covers any firearms "imported" to CA for a period exceeding 60 days. My work periods often exceed 60 days before I make the 900+ mile drive home. My security clearance is critical to my employment, so I'm not going to toy with technicalities to keep a firearm with me.

22 posted on 12/29/2013 6:08:28 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: servantboy777
God help this country when the powder keg explodes. It will be very ugly, very much along the lines of the first civil war.

I have been expecting this since the 70s. I can't go on, and say what I really think, because this is a family forum, but I am thinking it.

23 posted on 12/29/2013 7:15:10 PM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: South40

“Bad news for criminal street gangs and other thugs. They’ll now have to register their AK-47s.”

Hey, if they have to turn their AK’s in, can I have one? I live in Ohio and they are legal here. :)


24 posted on 12/29/2013 7:45:24 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: servantboy777

“God help this country when the powder keg explodes. It will be very ugly, very much along the lines of the first civil war.”

I do not wish to call the next war a civil war. It should be referred to as Revolutionary War II. It is not about ‘Civil’, it is about ‘Revolution’.


25 posted on 12/29/2013 7:50:06 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Logical me
Fools if you believe this effects new purchases of long guns. Within a few years, the police will be knocking at your door and under penalty of perjury you must register all guns including your long guns. Then confiscation will start. Has anyone forgot that California is the communists capital of America.

They're already being sued for it. We'll see.

26 posted on 12/29/2013 8:22:13 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: Myrddin
I am a resident of Idaho. Left CA in 2000. I have to work in San Diego due to security requirements. The new law expands the old "handgun importer" to "personal firearms importer" and covers any firearms "imported" to CA for a period exceeding 60 days.

Hmmm. IANAL, but I have had the 'opportunity' to work with several individuals in the legal and law-enforcement fields.

Just as a few thoughts: transport does not equal carry, import, export, or transfer. I am certain more experienced legal minds than I can take it from there.

Just as a permit for concealed carry does not automatically make it a legal offense and distinction between it and "concealed transport", "concealed export", "concealed conveyal", or "concealed threat", the one aspect you are concerned about is really one that any halfway-decent lawyer could argue if any difficulties should arise.

Just as a first thought: concealed carry from your place of residence to your place of employment and then back again does not mean "concealed transport". You are carrying the weapon from your place of residence as you are travelling and need it for protection, and then right back to your residence once again. Not "transporting" it across state lines.

NOT the same as transporting from one side of the state where the state line begins to the other side where another state line defines the limits of that state.

IF you were the sort of individual that believed strongly in your Second Amendment rights I would begin with that.

However, I also know that some will always be the type that Ben Franklin mentioned in one of his famous sayings...

Something about persons valuing security (in some cases it seems "job" security) over freedom(s) (even those enumerated in our Constitution) should rightly enjoy the benefits of neither.

But you have I think, pointed out that you are worried about your continued employment, so again; I offer sympathies.imported

27 posted on 12/29/2013 9:20:11 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer
"...offense and distinction between it and ..."

Sorry. Should read: "...offence and there is a distinction between it and ..."

28 posted on 12/29/2013 10:02:10 PM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer
My toys are at home in Idaho. That doesn't mean I'm disarmed. Just operating on the right side of the law for the crappy environment where I have to work.
29 posted on 12/29/2013 11:36:55 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin
Understood. Sorry if I came across as rather unsympathetic, but I have already undergone several situations where some ridiculous laws were being used to threaten on this end and was rather impressed at how a legal representative was able to handle it on some occasions. Of course, then again you sometimes get some ar's'ole of a judge who makes pronouncements like: "we are not arguing Constitutional law in this matter" and proceeds to ignore proper law in order to bring in the revenue they want, so nothing is guaranteed.

I have lost property, monies, and sometimes personal freedom due to what I believe, but they are not going to force Me to willingly abide by their diktats while I still breathe. I fought for this country's freedom for many years. Be damned if I am going to be made a willing slave despite that.

30 posted on 12/30/2013 4:59:00 AM PST by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Mark17
Kinda spooky. The gubbamint appears to be tightening the noose around American citizens.

Puzzles me though in regards to states like Texas. We are supposed to be the conservative stronghold in the nation...but our state gubbamint is sucking up H-security grants like there going out of style.

NSA,ATF,EPA,DHS,TSA,IRS,DEA,FBI,CIA and the rest of the alphabet agencies are aligning themselves against the average citizen. More and more military style weapons, vehicles, surveillance being deployed throughout the states via DHS grants....gotta ask why?

Heck, we have the Social Security Admin, EPA and such stockpiling hoards of ammo. Spying w/o warrants against citizens, Surveillance drones throughout America... why all of this?

So far, here in Texas it's been reported on the local news at various times that sheriffs departments receiving DHS grants for our new drones, Houston police installing hundreds of cameras throughout the city thanx to DHS grants.

Keeps ringing back to me what Obozo said, “we need a civilian force just as well equipped...”

Feel like I'm in the novel 1984. Used to think all this was tinfoil hat nonsense....???

31 posted on 12/30/2013 5:53:34 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
My prayer is that God forbid another ugly event on our soil. With that said, this nation was formed by the grace and provision of the Lord. The Supreme Court up in D.C. has Moses holding the tablets chiseled into the building.

Now..pffffft...ten commandments? Pfffft! Whatever.

God created this nation and HE can choose to take it apart just as HE did ancient Israel. Question is...if there are a few righteous people, will he allow them to battle for the heart of this nation.

Once a man's tasted freedom, you'll never remove freedom from his heart. The evil oligarchs running things will attempt to crush the spirit of the believer and cause them to bow down in servitude to the state.

Got news for’em. Folks will not walk away from freedom easily.

32 posted on 12/30/2013 6:01:20 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: marktwain
Actually, this "line in the sand" is anything but. The law only applies to new purchases. The existing civilian inventory isn't affected. Thus the "registry" the State thinks it's compiling will never be comprehensive. Add to that the fact that California gun owners almost universally ignored the registration requirements of the various "assault weapon" laws (maybe 10% were registered) and you begin to see how worthless the State's database really is.
33 posted on 12/30/2013 7:31:33 AM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: servantboy777
NSA,ATF,EPA,DHS,TSA,IRS,DEA,FBI,CIA and the rest of the alphabet agencies are aligning themselves against the average citizen. More and more military style weapons, vehicles, surveillance being deployed throughout the states via DHS grants....gotta ask why?

Heck, we have the Social Security Admin, EPA and such stockpiling hoards of ammo. Spying w/o warrants against citizens, Surveillance drones throughout America... why all of this?

Because they see the law not as something that applies to everyone everywhere, but as a tool by which to justify themselves in their lust for power, wealth, adrenaline, whatever they wish.

Pulling select quotes from this article:

To the legal positivist [laws] are more a matter of convenience or expedience or personal preference than attempts to codify permanent standards of right and wrong.
[…]
Tyranny is rank egotism, the haughty belief that the world will be a better place when everyone else does what I think they should do.
[…]
When there are no fixed principles, then law becomes a cruel and unjust weapon. Equal treatment before the law is supplanted by cronyism and special interest deals. The governors and governed no longer share equal standing before the law, but the former exalt themselves above the law, and use the law as a tool to oppress and control the latter.
It is your enslavement that they seek, at best; your utter annihilation, at worst.
34 posted on 12/30/2013 12:07:25 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: servantboy777

Amen, my fellow servantboy.


35 posted on 12/30/2013 5:48:47 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Honored you’re on my team.

God’s richeset blessings be with you in 2014.


36 posted on 12/30/2013 6:22:18 PM PST by servantboy777
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