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Meddling with Obamacare could undermine the whole law (but save a few RATS)
Washington Post ^ | 12/21/13 | Editorial Board

Posted on 12/22/2013 9:30:33 AM PST by Libloather

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But all of these last-minute policy shifts confuse people who were already struggling to understand a complex new system, and they force insurance companies to take on more work, which would be difficult even if everything were going right. The cumulative effect is that at least some people — we hope not many — will misunderstand their responsibilities under the law or be deterred from seeking coverage.

The biggest danger is that the Obama administration is encouraging politicians to meddle in the health-care system every time a few vocal constituents get upset about its requirements. Ms. Sebelius’s Thursday announcement was a response to six Democratic senators from competitive states who are concerned about people getting insurance cancellation notices. Not everyone was going to win under health-care reform, and not everyone can if the system is to work. The threat is that, in seeing to the concerns of those who might have to pay more in 2014 or in future years or some other group that feels put upon at some time, politicians will poke so many holes and add so many exceptions that the law is seriously undermined.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elections; law; obamacare; rats
Not everyone was going to win

Pelosi knew.

1 posted on 12/22/2013 9:30:33 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather
Health insurance doesn't guarantee health care.
2 posted on 12/22/2013 9:40:08 AM PST by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: Libloather

An engineer once told me, the bigger a system is the simpler it has to be to work. A cell phone is really complex, but it’s tiny. A nuclear power plant, is at it’s heart simple as can be. I think the same is true for laws. This one was WAY too complex and positively huge in scope. Laws should be short and simple; “do this, and you get punished, do that and you get rewarded.” Have you seen the diagrammatic of how Obamacare works? Gosh...

BTW, nothing the administration does is for the benefit of the people or even the Democratic party. It’s just a plain and simple communist takeover. Whoever gets hurt, friend or foe, is irrelevant.


3 posted on 12/22/2013 9:52:00 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Libloather

First of all, these “fixes” are likely to just make things even worse.

There will certainly be litigation over the capricious waiving of the individual penalty.

In addition, do they really think the public has such short memories?

Maybe they are right, but I hope not.


4 posted on 12/22/2013 9:53:24 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Libloather

No, the biggest danger in Obamacare is loss of Constitutional freedom.


5 posted on 12/22/2013 9:53:38 AM PST by unseelie
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To: Libloather

What a pack of lies this article is. The problem is having Obama and the democrats meddle in the first place. And despite the lies this article says, its not a “few’ constituents. Its vast majorities of this country and the lies they were told. The law stinks.


6 posted on 12/22/2013 10:15:07 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Libloather

Dems don’t care about anything besides 2014. They know the already destroyed the entire heath care industry and if the take back the house in 2014 they will get their single payer government run health industry.


7 posted on 12/22/2013 10:15:36 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: jocon307

Sadly, I don’t give the American public any credit these daze.


8 posted on 12/22/2013 10:17:34 AM PST by rbg81
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To: All

The mess Ohaha created, and why the WH apparatchiks still cannot make it work three years after its passage.

Each "box" represents huge organizational beauracracies with people stumbling over themselves; each "arrow" represents hundreds and thousands of information requests and transfers. Those interfaces will have some common calls, but they'll have to be customized to fit each carrier's system and customizations. It seems as though a lot is being left off the "health plan" -- all the costs, all the restrictions, have to be passed along as well.

The thousands of "Navigators"---tax-paid govt-issue clerks--will offer "guidance"....amid privacy and security concerns.

Only the deranged, twisted lib/prog mind could dream up the h'care mess.

9 posted on 12/23/2013 5:49:18 AM PST by Liz
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As far back as 2008, at the presidential debate in Nashville, Democrat candidate Obama advanced his signature plan that was ultimately enacted (by a straight Democrat party-line vote) into the "Affordable Care Act:

OBAMA: "No. 1, let me just repeat, if you’ve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All I’m going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. You’ll still have choice of doctor.”

Repeated over and over ---- with the promise that every American would be saving $2500.00 on healthcare costs.

DEMOCRATS CHIME IN:

SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)

SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)

SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)

SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)

THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)

SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we Democrats want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we’re going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)

SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our Democrat bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)

SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this Democrat legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you’ll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)

SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “[I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)

SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won’t have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)

SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic Democrat plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)

SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)

SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President’s promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)

SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)

SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a Democrat bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)

SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the Democrat chairman’s remark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That’s a strong commitment. It’s clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That’s the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)

SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you’ll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)

SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won’t. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “..it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.” (Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)

10 posted on 12/23/2013 5:52:05 AM PST by Liz
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To: Libloather
"The cumulative effect is that at least some people — we hope not many — will misunderstand their responsibilities under the law"

Misunderstand their responsibilities under the law? No kidding!

In the first place, I would note that Dear Leader and his minions don't seem to have any responsibilities under the law - they 'change' the law whenever they feel like it without Congressional approval so why should any other people have 'responsibilities under the law'? (And that's even if they could figure out what said responsibilities were, given that said "responsibilities" are arbitrary and subject to change at any given moment.)

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions, exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their faculties, and free choice of their occupations, which not only constitute their property in the general sense of the word; but are the means of acquiring property strictly so called.
James Madison, Property
29 Mar. 1792Papers 14:266--68

11 posted on 12/23/2013 6:19:01 AM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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