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N. Korea: Is Kim Jong-un a Puppet of Hardline Brass?
Chosun Ilbo ^ | 2013/12/19

Posted on 12/18/2013 10:26:27 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Is Kim Jong-un a Puppet of Hardline Brass?

Speculation is growing that hardline North Korean generals were behind the execution of leader Kim Jong-un's uncle Jang Song-taek and that Kim was merely their pawn.

That would be worrying for South Korea, which would face an increased threat of military provocations.

Park Hyung-joong at the Korea Institute for National Unification said Jang's purge was part of a power struggle where factions in the military that Jang had stripped of their lucrative businesses tried to regain them.

Forces opposed to Jang, who was seen as a moderate, used a purported challenge to Kim's sole authority as an excuse to remove the eminence grise and regain control of their money-making operations.

If that is true, then the only faction strong enough to pull off such a plot is the powerful military.

Thomas Schafer, the German ambassador to North Korea, said recently that Kim was forced by the military to purge Jang and that he had "no choice."

Some experts believe that Kim is just a puppet being controlled by unseen forces. One former South Korean minister who had been in charge of diplomacy and national security affairs, told the Chosun Ilbo in a telephone interview, "Looking at Jang Song-taek's sentence and the events surrounding it, I wonder if Kim Jong-un is being pushed around by an unseen figure."

The crimes Jang was found guilty of, such as ruining the North Korean economy and living conditions of its people and attempting a coup d'état, would be seen as direct insults to the sanctity of the leader and considered taboo in North Korea, the official said.

Why would Kim risk weakening his support base by getting rid of his powerful uncle and guardian? One researcher at a state-run think tanks here said, "If there is a group of powerful figures who are controlling Kim Jong-un, it makes sense to use him because he has the legitimacy of his ancestry" as a direct descendant of nation founder Kim Il-sung.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: choe; dprk; dynasty; firingsquad; fishlips; jangsongtaek; military; nkorea; northkorea; purge; rodman; terror; treachery
Boils down to the fight over who gets how much cut?
1 posted on 12/18/2013 10:26:27 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

P!


2 posted on 12/18/2013 10:27:25 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

In the end, there can be only Un.


3 posted on 12/18/2013 10:28:25 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

If it is true it is. How much of the shrinking pie do we get?


4 posted on 12/18/2013 10:31:38 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Tiger ... one has to think the headline is probably accurate but only to a point. This is a strange setup between Un and the military in n. korea. With everyone in the region set to go nuclear soon because of china’s rumblings and n. korea’s rumblings would instead pose the following question ... n.korea is the known puppet of china, one has to believe, and the ruse instead is n. korea’s Un and n. korea’s military being a puppet of china’s leaders and china’s military is it not china pulling all the strings? My answer to this question would be a yes. Any thoughts?


5 posted on 12/18/2013 10:38:31 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Those insular hard liners just pizzed off China. Posted earlier that Un may get a cold. Well, it just might be a VERY contagious cold!


6 posted on 12/18/2013 10:40:16 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Yup (to chime in): the Nork hardliners are getting too big for their britches. They just threatened cheap iron ore from N Korea to China. They will be smacked down. The only question is how hard...


7 posted on 12/18/2013 10:42:17 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; everyone
their money-making operations.

Someone correct me if am wrong but isn't the most lucrative of n. korea's money making operations counterfeiting U.S. money?

8 posted on 12/18/2013 10:52:31 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

I too feel N Korea is a puppet of China.

I feel so sorry for the poor people of NK, forced to live in a hell hole run by a despot.

How different things would be if Truman(D, for dumb) had listened to MacArthur.


9 posted on 12/18/2013 10:55:19 PM PST by Bobalu (White Boy Think A Lot)
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To: Bobalu

yep, is always 20/20 when viewing past mistakes and I have to agree this was one for Truman.


10 posted on 12/18/2013 10:57:37 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
You are seeing a preview of what is in store for the USA.
11 posted on 12/18/2013 10:57:49 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: crazyhorse691

Did we ever find out if there were or were not nukes to our south?


12 posted on 12/18/2013 11:01:37 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Liberals like to claim that the military is the most dangerous faction in a country. But hasn't history shown us that the military is often the most stabilizing faction?

And if NK's military is similar to Egypt's in that they've devolved into an oligopolistic business then wouldn't they tend to be even more stabilizing in order to keep the money flowing?

13 posted on 12/18/2013 11:10:40 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: crazyhorse691

My apology ... was not clear. By nukes known or unknown to our south I meant continental USA. I know this question should not be asked or answered on a forum, and besides for asking you once more have my apology.


14 posted on 12/18/2013 11:11:29 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Bobalu

At the very least, perhaps some actionable intelligence can be gained from the current trip of NOC asset NBA-former start Dennis Rodman, once he returns to the US for debriefing—who may be able to shed some light on a very opaque situation for all nations, and provide names of senior KPA generals at Kim-hosted banquets and the like who through their demeanor might tend to give off their true “kagemusha” (hidden shadow master) positions and power over the Fat Boy sock puppet, more than likely...


15 posted on 12/19/2013 12:27:58 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Tiger, how many times have we read that Kim Jong Un (under Jang’s guidance and tutelage) during his very early tenure made repeated visits to military units, bases and leaders in an effort to win their backing and support? I recall many articles making this point. What concessions did Jong Un make to secure this backing? Ditto for Jang in Kim’s name?

When there was talk about removing the military’s money making opportunities, it seemed to me to be a no brainer that this could spell big trouble for Kim. Jang paid the price apparently. Big message has been sent to Kim, “Don’t mess with us or we’ll take you out too”.


16 posted on 12/19/2013 12:32:08 AM PST by miele man
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"If that is true, then the only faction strong enough to pull off such a plot is the powerful military."

What a brilliant deduction.
The ones who have the guns and muscle are calling the shots.
How did they ever come up with that idea?

17 posted on 12/19/2013 3:30:41 AM PST by StormEye
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo

Is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choe_Ryong-hae the new boss?

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/12/19/2013121901640.html


18 posted on 12/19/2013 4:51:15 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Thanks for the ping.


19 posted on 12/19/2013 7:34:57 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
One former South Korean minister who had been in charge of diplomacy and national security affairs, told the Chosun Ilbo in a telephone interview, "Looking at Jang Song-taek's sentence and the events surrounding it, I wonder if Kim Jong-un is being pushed around by an unseen figure."

98 and a half years old, and ol' David Rockefeller is still running things! [/humor]

20 posted on 12/19/2013 7:41:00 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It would be interesting if true - the idea, that the dictatorship’s propaganda machine elevating the Kim’s to near godlike status as the “saviors” of the nation has created something so strong - in what the North Korean people believe - that even a powerful military cabal must keep it alive, at least for public consumption, as without it they will not be able to keep their own legitamacy in the public mind.

It also begs a question - what would such a cabal do if somehow all the Kims and all their heirs were somehow eliminated? Would it survive the loss of the Kims or would it lose control of the people?


21 posted on 12/19/2013 8:39:43 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

The military would survive a complete lack of Kims by inventing a new dynasty. Some hero of the Korean war would be found or created. And it would be done before the public learned of the death of the last Kim. And it would work.
The top goal of the UN should be the rescue of the North Korean people. The fact it isn’t clearly illustrates the worthlessness of the UN.


22 posted on 12/19/2013 9:01:28 AM PST by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Hey Tiger did you hear

Guess who arrived in North Korea earier today

Dennis Rodman he is backkk


23 posted on 12/19/2013 9:44:14 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: SevenofNine
I have NO objection to him going.

I only object to him returning to the USA.

24 posted on 12/19/2013 5:18:36 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AdmSmith
General Choe. (He best not adopt the affectionate term "Uncle Choe" when addressed by the Great Short-donged, Fat One and Mrs. Pretty Murdress.)

I tell you, that place is one big frikkin crime syndicate, not even a nation in a standard sense.

25 posted on 12/19/2013 5:29:29 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You’re correct, but those hats are still way cool....


26 posted on 12/19/2013 5:31:28 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: AmericanInTokyo

LOL that good one AIT like that

Yeah let TSA give him cavity search on way back LOL!


27 posted on 12/19/2013 5:34:59 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; SevenofNine; GeronL; AdmSmith

He, himself, could well be purged (like a bowel cavity purged of putrid diarreah) by lil’ Kim Jong Un, if he doesn’t VERY CAREFULLY mind his Ps and Qs from this day forward. Even the Short Fat One could conceivably get drunk at a Dennis Rodman welcoming party, become paranoid about this general for some reason, excuse himself first for a piss, and then matter-of-factly and in a Cognac stupor, sign a Korean Workers Party death warrant for Gen. Choe, commanding he too be punched and kicked and beaten while in custody like Jang (”Uncle Fishlips”), and thrown to the dogs for the whole of them to all be machine-gunned.


28 posted on 12/19/2013 5:36:02 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

OHH that be something I wonder if Chia Chub could handle his booze

I could imagine Chia Chub that guy from Sixteen candles the movie hitting on every girl especallly fat one

Fall from the tree LOL!


29 posted on 12/19/2013 5:38:47 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: All

I wonder who would find if Chia Chub get drunk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tktNZpUTMoQ


30 posted on 12/19/2013 5:42:22 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; TigerLikesRooster
YTN, just a few moments ago:

북한이 어제 남한 일부 보수단체의 반북 시위에 반발해 "예고 없이 타격하겠다"는 내용의 협박성 전화통지문을 보냈습니다. 정부 당국자는 북한이 국방위원회 명의로 어제 서해 군 통신선을 통해 우리 측에 통지문을 보냈다고 밝혔습니다. 통지문은 지난 17일 김정일 국방위원장 2주기를 맞아 서울에서 열린 보수단체들의 시위를 문제 삼았습니다. 앞서 지난 17일 서울에서는 대한민국 어버이연합과 남침용 땅굴을 찾는 사람들 등 5개 보수단체가 고모부인 장성택을 잔인하게 처형한 김정은 제1비서가 대남 위협에 나서고 있다며 김일성·김정일·김정은의 화형식을 했습니다. Provocative threats here and there from young Kim Jong Un toward South Korea it seems, showing his war swagger (to fortify his tenuous position), and barking on about how he can attack the South "without warning". This kid is big trouble. We need a special team on this guy, and I don't mean maybe (but then again the problem may be bigger than him, a larger faction that wants to go for broke with war on the peninsula)......

31 posted on 12/19/2013 5:44:47 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

It’s all fascinating and kind of worrying


32 posted on 12/19/2013 7:18:50 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL; TigerLikesRooster; SevenofNine; AdmSmith
Wen Weipo (newspaper) out of Hong Kong analyzes photos, and says that the Fat One has had his eyebrows "halfed" (shortened/shaved) to betray any appearance of instability or being upset at recent things, to also try to trim them downward to make him look stable, hardline and in control.

Somebody is winding this little duck up and making him paddle in the bathtub, methinks. I wonder the name/list of the Generals doing this?? Now they may tell him to launch an attack at the DMZ or upon islands near the NLL zone held by ROK off the coast. That would seem to be the next logical provocation.

PS He did to me look kind of "zoned out" at the big party meeting in the auditorium recalling the passing of his father, KJI, and this of course was after Kim Jong Un had sent us uncle out to be machinegunned. The oddest, drifting look on his face, his hands did not seem normal, either. I wonder if he is in control. Worried for his own skin. Those kinds of things. It must be that he is sleeping with an armed patrol stationed inside his room, but even then one would have to worry if one of those guards was "gotten to" by the highest bidder and could finish the pig and his wife with a couple of taps from a Tokarev auto pistol unholstered in the flash of a minute. He must have a fully loaded/chambered automatic piece under his pillow, or strapped to his upper arm, (over his pajamas) at night.

33 posted on 12/19/2013 8:28:51 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I think he/they almost have to launch some kind of attack and declare victory. I think any attack should be met with cruise missiles hitting the main police and military hq in Pyongyang.

The soldiers and people aren’t the real enemy of the ROK, the reprisal should be something that hits the big boys and makes it impossible for them to tell their people they won.


34 posted on 12/19/2013 8:43:42 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL
That's what a) bunker busters are for, and b) elaborate details and satellite survelliance, combined with defectors' reports, regarding the various underground bunkers constructed throughout the DPRK for the Kim Dynasty since grandfather's days. I believe Washinton and Seoul and Tokyo are one in the same at a quick decapitation strategy..

One GB-28 up your ass, and you can call it quits for the rest of the day; talk about Excedrin Headache Number 35!

35 posted on 12/19/2013 10:32:59 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
About this “eyebrow job,” my suspicion is on one of his siblings, who suggested to him that it could make him more “leader-like.” Old generals may not be the type of folks who can conjure up the idea of eyebrow trimming.
36 posted on 12/20/2013 9:20:57 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
New batch of reports say that there are some 70 NK officials and their dependents who want to defect to S. Korea. They probably took shelter in SK's diplomatic missions in China, or are in hiding while contacting SK gov, be it SK diplomats or intel ops.

Some of them have not only info on NK nuke program but also NK regime's overseas bank account which have been well-hidden. This means that money pipeline would be squeezed further because those accounts could be shut down.

Fat Boy may have to cut down on his obscenely extravagant life-style.

More info came out on clash between Jang's people and NK military. 150 KPA soldiers went to take over a lucrative fishery enterprise with the approval of Kim Jong-eun. Kim told Jang to give it to military so that they can feed malnourished soldiers. Jang ignored it, and his people naturally did not get the message from his boss. When the soldiers turned up, Jang's boys refused to turn it over. Things got heated up. 150 (malnourished) soldiers clashed with 40 (probably better-fed) Jang's securities, in which soldiers got their ass-kicked. Two of them were dead.

37 posted on 12/20/2013 9:35:42 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

So he is like little kid rubber ducky OHHHH how sweettt


38 posted on 12/20/2013 10:20:54 AM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo
Old generals may not be the type of folks who can conjure up the idea of eyebrow trimming.

I think you have something here, maybe a sudden remark by JSt about the eyebrow trimming caused the leadership trimming. ;-)

39 posted on 12/20/2013 12:21:58 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; TigerLikesRooster

We should not forget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Won-hong http://nkleadershipwatch.wordpress.com/leadership-biographies/gen-kim-won-hong/ He has his fingers in the cookie jar


40 posted on 12/20/2013 12:35:42 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
37 posted on 12/20/2013 11:35:42 AM by TigerLikesRooster: “More info came out on clash between Jang’s people and NK military. 150 KPA soldiers went to take over a lucrative fishery enterprise with the approval of Kim Jong-eun. Kim told Jang to give it to military so that they can feed malnourished soldiers. Jang ignored it, and his people naturally did not get the message from his boss. When the soldiers turned up, Jang’s boys refused to turn it over. Things got heated up. 150 (malnourished) soldiers clashed with 40 (probably better-fed) Jang’s securities, in which soldiers got their ass-kicked. Two of them were dead.”

Thank you.

If this is correct — and it sounds like it either is true or was created by the military to make Jang look bad, which means it might as well be true — it shows just how bad things are in the North.

This is in a country with a military-first approach. If the soldiers are so malnourished that they can't fight off a much smaller force barely a quarter of their size, think how bad the civilian population is.

Remember that it's winter. Winter and snow in America means a nice warm fire. Winter and snow in North Korea means when your food runs out you've got nothing to forage in the fields and no hope of new food for months.

Dysfunctional doesn't even begin to describe a place like this.

41 posted on 12/20/2013 9:55:44 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The only thing that kept assassin's bullets at bay for both Granda Kim Il Song and Papa Kim Jong il, was long years of bribing off all top KPA and KWP officials, particularly and including secret police and military officials. Even then, it did not stop multiple assassination attempts on for example the Chia Pet's own life.

He plied them with cognac and yachts and speedboats and porno movies and brand goods and high class Euro chocolates and gold watches, etc. They in turn kept their Tokarev's holstered, safety's on.

That was the brilliance in the initial GWB strategy of cutting off to the DPRK luxury goods; somebody, a Pyongyang-ologist somewhere, did their home work and found out internally what holds the NK factions together, gifts and bribery and probably women (and blackmail). Take away the money flow and luxuries to DPRK from external sources and yes, Fat Boy Kim Jong Un could indeed be on troubled ground if he cannot continue to bribe off DPRK officials around him with luxury goods and playthings for their kids and grand kids. I hope this gets "interesting." Too bad we have a jerk in the US White House. This would be a good time to have an allied strategy to topple the House of Kim, seize the nukes and push forward toward peaceful reunification--but I would not expect that under Obama's watch unfortunately. Those associates of Jang's in safehouses and what not in China, if they can safely get to S.E. Asia and then Seoul, might indeed bring in a treasure trove of useful intelligence, one hopes at least.

42 posted on 12/21/2013 1:38:08 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: RadiationRomeo

“The top goal of the UN”

The U.S. and S. Korea, and Japan in certain cases, should keep the U.N. out of anything they ever find it necessary to do vis-a-vis N. Korea.


43 posted on 12/22/2013 8:55:16 AM PST by Wuli
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