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Cuts for military retirees costing GOP support for budget deal
Washington Post ^ | 16 Dec 13 | Josh Hicks

Posted on 12/16/2013 10:07:17 AM PST by SkyPilot

Edited on 12/16/2013 10:11:53 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

GOP lawmakers and military groups have lined up against the bipartisan budget deal making its way through Congress because of a provision that would trim pay for young military retirees.

In a joint statement last week, Sens. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) said they cannot support the legislation because it “disproportionately and unfairly targets those who have put their lives on the line to defend our country.”


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KEYWORDS: budget; military; senate; sequester
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On the Democratic side, Sen. Carl Levin (Mich.) offered hope that the military-retiree provision could be revisited after the bill is passed. He said in a statement last week that the Senate Armed Services Committee, which he chairs, would review the change next year, adding that “a number of concerns have been raised about the provision.”

Don't buy Levin's snake oil - he wants to "revisit" the betrayal of our men and women currently serving, and those who have served and survived - some time next year. The House jammed this through and skipped town. They want this carved into law so that they don't have to confront the crying veteran spouses who are alone with their children again this Christmas, wondering why their own government is attempting to harm them.

Paul Ryan was all over the television this weekend, defending his "deal." His statements were as amazing as they were jaw dropping. He admitted he wants to fund the Pentagon's bills on the backs of the very men and women who served. He also admitted this betrayal only "saves" the government $6 Billion over ten years, to a Federal Government that spends $10.46 Billion per day.

We spend $2.2 Billion a year now on ObamaPhones, and betraying our men and women in the military, saving $6 Billion over ten years - is a must have?

Ryan has lost his mind.

May his name forever be called "Benedict Ryan."


1 posted on 12/16/2013 10:07:17 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Federal employees will have to contribute more to their pensions.

No doubt Patty Murray demanded in return a concession from the military.

What I find amazing is that we got no proposal for income tax hikes from the Democrats even with a socialist Senate and President. And no unemployment extension.

2 posted on 12/16/2013 10:13:30 AM PST by what's up
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To: SkyPilot

I wonder if Speaker John Boner thinks that “outside conservative” groups have unduly influenced every single Senator. Will he yell at the GOP Senators...


3 posted on 12/16/2013 10:15:29 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: what's up

RINO Season!


4 posted on 12/16/2013 10:15:31 AM PST by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: SkyPilot

yeah Ryan, cut the military but give your f’ing staffers federal tax subsidy money to buy their insurance. you lying sack of feces.


5 posted on 12/16/2013 10:19:15 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: what's up
New Federal employees will have to pay more, but the current ones were grandfathered.

When Ryan was asked why they didn't grandfather military who have already retired, or currently serving military, this is what he said yesterday:

But why not grandfather benefits for current servicemembers, like Ryan does for Americans over the age of 55 in his plan to reform Medicare? Ryan replied that grandfathering wouldn't achieve the savings the military needs...

This is the Republican "budget genius?"

6 posted on 12/16/2013 10:20:39 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

RINO Ryan is an idiot. Obama is running up trillions in new debt and Ryan wants to trim a little here and there, including cutting military pay. Go straight to hell, Ryan, you fricken turncoat!!


7 posted on 12/16/2013 10:25:51 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SkyPilot

Tommy

I went into a public-’ouse to get a pint o’ beer,
The publican ‘e up an’ sez, “We serve no red-coats here.”
The girls be’ind the bar they laughed an’ giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an’ to myself sez I:
O it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, go away”;
But it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it’s “Thank you, Mister Atkins”, when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-’alls,
But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they’ll shove me in the stalls!
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, wait outside”;
But it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide,
The troopship’s on the tide, my boys, the troopship’s on the tide,
O it’s “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper’s on the tide.

Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they’re starvation cheap;
An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they’re goin’ large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.
Then it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, ‘ow’s yer soul?”
But it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it’s “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll.

We aren’t no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren’t no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An’ if sometimes our conduck isn’t all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don’t grow into plaster saints;
While it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, fall be’ind”,
But it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind,
There’s trouble in the wind, my boys, there’s trouble in the wind,
O it’s “Please to walk in front, sir”, when there’s trouble in the wind.

You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires, an’ all:
We’ll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don’t mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow’s Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.
For it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
But it’s “Saviour of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;
An’ it’s Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
An’ Tommy ain’t a bloomin’ fool — you bet that Tommy sees!

Rudyard Kipling


8 posted on 12/16/2013 10:29:37 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. J.F. Kennedy)
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To: SkyPilot

Having a little trouble with the non-logic in the drift of the story. Why WOULDN’T GIs be PO’d over cuts to their promised benefits? But no one is PO’d at dims——just GOP’s? I’m personally, individually, and with severe malice and prejudice PO’d at the whole gutless bunch. I’m having trouble finding anyone I can send money to that I can trust to vote against this big-spending krap. I’m 3,000 miles and 600 gallons of motor fuel away from the Beltway and so far that’s keeping those nimrods safe but lying, two-faced, double talking bullshix could whittle away my normal mild mannered, good natured sense of humor and tolerance for weak-kneed, halfassed ( think Ryan) performance.


9 posted on 12/16/2013 10:32:44 AM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: All

Any time the republicans do anything, “Veterans Hardest Hit” is going to be the mantra of the left/media. This tactic has worked for every other voting block the democrats have gone after and it will probably work here as well. The republicans better learn to recognize this very early in any “negotiation” with democrats. Of course they won’t, and one day they will wonder how they lost the military vote.


10 posted on 12/16/2013 10:39:23 AM PST by TruthBeforeAll
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To: SkyPilot

Another crap sammich brought to you by the party of Socialist lite. DC needs to be shutdown till the debt is paid off.


11 posted on 12/16/2013 10:45:59 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Jim Robinson

Im sincerely glad you cleared that up. Thanks, Jim.


12 posted on 12/16/2013 10:51:11 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Looks like the GOP-e Romneybots have completely destroyed a man with conservative potential.


13 posted on 12/16/2013 10:55:30 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: what's up

“Federal employees will have to contribute more to their pensions.”

The difference is that only Federal Employee new hires will have to contribute more to their pensions, NOT current employees, and they will know this going in -— whereas, the military COLA cut is to the retirement benefits of those already drawing benefits, and those still serving, despite the promises that were made at the time they were earning those retirement benefits.


14 posted on 12/16/2013 10:56:12 AM PST by LTC.Ret (You'd think I would know better than to volunteer!!! www.sendmetocongress.us)
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To: cherokee1

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15 posted on 12/16/2013 11:00:22 AM PST by LTC.Ret (You'd think I would know better than to volunteer!!! www.sendmetocongress.us)
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To: SkyPilot
As I understand it, the adjustment to the military retiree pay doesn't go into affect until 2016. Also when the retiree turns 62 it plays catch-up. The past raises not given are given at that time.

I am a spouse of a military retiree under the age of 62. He is doing well at his second job. He does worry about the ones that don't do as well at the second job or retired at a lower grade after 20.

16 posted on 12/16/2013 11:00:29 AM PST by republicangel
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To: Jim Robinson

Pretty well covers it.


17 posted on 12/16/2013 11:03:00 AM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: SkyPilot

Why not dig up the graves at Arlington and sell the skeltons as novety items. Then turn the hillsides there into a high rise development overlooking that great idol in the most wonderful city on earth, The Capitol. We could raise a lot of money by doing that.


18 posted on 12/16/2013 11:04:45 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: what's up

As usual, bad publicity. The cuts affect only people under the age of 62 who are working another job.

You can retire after 20 years, and many people retire at the age of 40, get their full pension, and of course go on to a second career. This is also true in many civilian jobs, too (law enforcement, education, etc.).

Paying these employed people a “pension” takes money away from the elderly or from lifers, that is, people who actually stayed in the military or job until retirement age.


19 posted on 12/16/2013 11:09:58 AM PST by livius
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The vast majority of retired military MUST go on to a 2nd career...the pension for many enlisted folks, going back decades, would not be enough for many to live on in this economy.

How do you propose an E7 retired in 2003 live on ~ $1200 a month in retirement income after taxes?

What you are proposing has been actually proposed in the past...that military retirees of “working age” (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean) do not collect their pension until they “retire” (retirement age to be decided by some cabal of REMF’s and useless political hacks). The underlying intent there is to hope that the vast majority die off before reaching that magical age.

Yeah, whatever...


20 posted on 12/16/2013 11:16:50 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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