Posted on 12/15/2013 3:31:09 PM PST by Hojczyk
I guess I’m confused why there’s such a big problem here. I thought the “workers” were just going to steal the factories when Boeing left the state and “convert” them into making VCRs, lectric buses, rainbow generators, Unicorn horseshoes and other useful stuff not used for war.
I just read an article in my local utility magazine about the US port with the most tonnage shipped. It’s Houston, TX. That’s Houston, the one 100 miles inland, through a mosquitoe infested swamp, with the only ocean access requiring continual dredging. Why? It’s mostly non-UNION. Bye, bye Seattle.
That’s a misleading statistic. When you measure port activity by tonnage Houston ends up at the top of the list because they handle an enormous volume of petroleum products. That’s more a function of Houston’s proximity to Texas oil fields and the petrochemical industry of the Texas and Louisiana coasts. I believe 7 of the 10 largest ports in the U.S. (measured by tonnage) are in Texas and Louisiana. Some Louisiana ports are also enhanced by their position at the mouth of the Mississippi River, as they serve as transload facilities for grain exports that are shipped down the river by barge from all over the Midwest.
Maybe South Carolina might be willing to help workers, as well as managers, move from Washington to the South. If not, the ought to. In Germany Bavaria went to the Ruhr, which is becoming a rust belt as offered to buy their houses and move them and their families to Bavarian locations. The Bavarian representative said. of course, that people were so attached to their area that he got many fewer takers than he hoped. Bavaria is very foreign to people of the Ruhr. My guess is that South Carolina would be less strange to the folks up in Washington State.
Yup.
See here.
Someone is drinking syndicalist moonshine.
Most other companies have switched from defined benefit to defined contribution retirement plans. Time for the Boeing Machinists to get with the program, or eventually go extinct.
Naw, just a joke repeating a proposal a few weeks ago by self-declared Communist Kshama Sawant, newly elected Seattle council member. (Only she was serious about it.)
Let the IAM thugs vote and reject the contract. Then, Boeing announces all 777X production will be moved out of Washington state. “Surplus” union thugs will be laid off and not rehired. They can live on unemployment until they’re forced to find a real job or starve.
We shall see.
"And lots of us have no interest in competing with Asia or even Western Europe. And since we vote...eventually we get what we want."
Guess what, you don't have a choice. What exactly are you going to "vote" on to keep it from happening?? A tariff??? LOL. The work force from Asia is now pretty much as well educated as that in the USA, and in some places (like Singapore), much better educated. And with the continuing deterioration of public schools that will continue and possibly accelerate.
"It isn't a corporate tyrannocracy yet. Yet."
I've had sufficient dealings with unions to know that they are worse tyrannies than businesses ever were. These days, the unions sole function is to make big bucks for the leadership, and the welfare of the typical union member be damned.
"Even in a & "republic";, that's the way it works."
Dude, look around. Unions are dying off because they have priced their workers out of the market. The membership is realizing the criminality of their leadership, and abandoning that "ship". "Right to work" is gaining ground even in states with strong unions.
Completely stupid. Unions want to control the company, to take it over. If Boeing keeps playing the stocks are going to go Government Motors. Tell me these leftists do not like the idea of slave workers paying their politics. Thisnisnhorsesht.
Well they didn't do it for better weather, lower cost of living, or lower taxes, so SOMEBODY got a good deal SOMEWHERE...”
You're quite correct and that someone has a name: former CEO Harry Stonecipher, captain of industry. Stoncipher started at GE, moved to Sundstrand Aerospace, then moved to McDonnell-Douglas, and finally to Boeing. As CEO of Boeing, he engineered the move to Chicago. Why, BECAUSE his daughter lived in Chicago and he didn't want to waste four hours each way on the corporate jet visiting her. Harry got the Boeing Board of Directors to move Boeing Corporate HQ to Chicago.
When Harry hit mandatory retirement at age 62, he handpicked a successor and stepped down. About 18 to 24 months later, the Boeing BOD asked his successor to resign and brought Harry back on a temporary basis until the Executive Search Committee could hire a new CEO.
During his second tenure as CEO, Harry got caught playing the horizontal mambo with a 45-year-old married female Senior VP. The Boeing BOD asked for Harry's resignation, the Senior VP was fired, her husband sued her for divorce, Mrs. Stonecipher sued Harry for divorce. In the end, the Mrs. got 50% of everything Harry had, including all his perks as a former Boeing CEO.
Boeing Corporate HQ in Chicago remains as a monument to Harry's egomania.
That’s just in Sea-Tac proper — a tiny area.
***I’ve had sufficient dealings with unions to know that they are worse tyrannies than businesses ever were.
Instead of introducing himself, my union steward grabbed my lapels and threw me up against a wall. His enforcer stood behind him. Management has never done that to me.
“IMHO Boeing was retarded to move HQ to Chicago of all places. “
Maybe so, but they are no longer out in Seattle in “left field” either. We may collectively hate Chicago, but as a city for business HQ’s it’s a whole lot better being in the middle of the country, closer to your potential customers and new plant sites.
“It is a game in the Boeing Machinist’s Union to see just how one can push the envelope of unproductively without getting reprimanded or fired.”
I had a close relative (a college graduate) who worked as an engineer at a the UAL maintenance base in San Francisco for six months. That was all he could stand working for an “engineering manager” who had been promoted from the IAM ranks and having to watch an endless parade of childish tactics from the union goons. They particularly liked “dropping tools” on the shop floor all day when enough of them were “on the rag.”
When it comes to childish behavior, adults in the aircraft maintenance and manufacturing unions are the most childish, with the possible exception of senior UAW workers.
If you are talking about cases of beer then the old timers are just drinking more then the new guys cause they can handle it. : )
>> Though the senior VPs and Presidents of business units haven’t suffered at all. .
Do folks on the dole suffer? Who is really suffering through no choice of their own?
Of course envy evokes a sense of suffering, but envy is also a choice.
Second shift....all three years or less.
First shift all fifteen years or more.
Do you detect a disconnect?
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