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Government Takeover: White House Forces Obamacare Insurers To Cover Unpaid Patients At A Loss
Forbes ^ | 12/14/13 | Avik Roy

Posted on 12/14/2013 6:42:25 AM PST by bigcat32

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1 posted on 12/14/2013 6:42:25 AM PST by bigcat32
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To: bigcat32

Krauthammer finally spoke out about the real goal..”NATIONALIZED SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE”> All of us for example, knew this from the start.


2 posted on 12/14/2013 6:46:47 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: bigcat32

Insurance companies will raise rates to cover the extraordinary costs to extraordinary levels.

Oooh ObamaCare = “winning!”


3 posted on 12/14/2013 6:48:34 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks bigcat32.


4 posted on 12/14/2013 6:49:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: bigcat32

We haven’t heard any comments from the insurance companies that would indicate that they aren’t supportive of Obamacare, have we? I feel like they are complicit in this, and I’m not going to spend much time feeling sorry for them. They seem to be going along with these “Presidential directives” without a fight.


5 posted on 12/14/2013 6:50:43 AM PST by MNGal
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To: bigcat32

An officer of a stockholder owned company has a fiduciary responsibility to his shareholders. If the company is essentially being forced into bankruptcy it is incumbent on the officer to save as much value for the shareholders as possible. By declaring bankruptcy now they could divide up the company’s assets before those assets are sucked away by the government. Failure to do this should result in a prison term.


6 posted on 12/14/2013 6:51:13 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: MNGal

I suspect AARP is loving it.


7 posted on 12/14/2013 6:52:51 AM PST by FES0844
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To: bigcat32

How is this not a tax by dictat? Even Geo. III wasn’t accused of that.


8 posted on 12/14/2013 6:53:31 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: bigcat32
The Wimpy business model.

Isn't fascism fun?

9 posted on 12/14/2013 6:55:29 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Don Corleone

So is the. Highness, the Emperor, going to do this by edict, or is Congress going to do go along with it and help the demigod do away with private insurance?


10 posted on 12/14/2013 6:56:29 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: SunkenCiv

“Thanks bigcat32.”

No problem. I didn’t see this epic piece of news anywhere until this morning even though the action took place two days ago.


11 posted on 12/14/2013 6:56:52 AM PST by bigcat32
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To: bigcat32

People need to wake up and realize that THIS is THE issue.

Everything else, including the ‘get it off the plate so the the election can be about Obamacare’ budget deal is just noise.


12 posted on 12/14/2013 6:57:23 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: MNGal
We haven’t heard any comments from the insurance companies that would indicate that they aren’t supportive of Obamacare, have we?

They're frightened of the regime. They have reason to be. Open opposition would bring about their company's demise sooner.

Since they're going down either way, they may as well go down with guns blazing. But that's hard to justify to board members and stockholders.

13 posted on 12/14/2013 6:58:46 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: bigcat32

Bump


14 posted on 12/14/2013 7:00:52 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: bigcat32; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

This is where the focus needs to be kept. On bh0’s illegalities trying to make his “signature” destruction plan for US medical care going.


15 posted on 12/14/2013 7:00:55 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: tanknetter

I believe there a huge storm a brewing and looks like it’ll hit on Tuesday, November 4, 2014...The chickens are coming home to roost.


16 posted on 12/14/2013 7:02:27 AM PST by McGruff (Obama lied. Period!)
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To: Red Steel
So is the. Highness, the Emperor, going to do this by edict, or is Congress going to do go along with it and help the demigod do away with private insurance?

To quote a famous figure from the left, "What difference does it make?" The system will implode, by design, and in the ensuing chaos the hue and cry from the great unwashed masses will be," Government, help us." This is proven history.

17 posted on 12/14/2013 7:07:20 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: McGruff

Something needs to be done long before November, 2014.


18 posted on 12/14/2013 7:12:50 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: Don Corleone

Krauthammer is Doctor Obvious.


19 posted on 12/14/2013 7:13:50 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: bigcat32

At the Forbes article link, Megan Kelly seems to be missing the larger criminal issue of the Obama administration’s attempt to intimidate insurance companies into providing free coverage for enrollees to cover for the govt complete failures in the website rollout.

As popular as Megan may be, there seems to be an ongoing pattern with her in missing the key points of a given story. Amazing how she completely glosses over the Obama administration’s lawlessness and attacks the insurance companies.


20 posted on 12/14/2013 7:15:08 AM PST by motoman
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To: bigcat32

Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution:

No person shall . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


21 posted on 12/14/2013 7:16:51 AM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

The insurer’s are complicit alright. I suppose this has something to do with the White House telling them that the government will make good on their losses when (not if) they occur.

I am curious though as to just who and which insurer gets “charged” for a non-insured person who receives care? I wander into an emergency room with a broken arm and they take care of me........what insurer does that hospital send the bill to? How does an insurer cover someone who they have no idea even exists?


22 posted on 12/14/2013 7:18:31 AM PST by FAA
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To: bigcat32

I have to wonder why the insurance companies are allowing this to happen.


23 posted on 12/14/2013 7:24:06 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: FAA
I am curious though as to just who and which insurer gets “charged” for a non-insured person who receives care? I wander into an emergency room with a broken arm and they take care of me........what insurer does that hospital send the bill to? How does an insurer cover someone who they have no idea even exists?

ALL INSURERS!

That's why everyone's premiums will double or triple.

It's called Cost shifting

24 posted on 12/14/2013 7:26:57 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: freekitty

Because:

“It’s the Law of the Land”.


25 posted on 12/14/2013 7:28:13 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Inwoodian
Something needs to be done long before November, 2014.

Rounding them up and taking them to the gallows would end it pretty quick.

26 posted on 12/14/2013 7:30:44 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: FAA

“what insurer does that hospital send the bill to? How does an insurer cover someone who they have no idea even exists?”

You are posing practical questions which in their haste to save 0 care the new threatening regs do not address. If they could have designed a system that would work in the real world, they would not have to issue more last minute threatening regs to begin with!

1. You have to present an insurance card to the hospital or doctor. People without insurance on 1 Jan. will not have insurance cards.
2. Hospitals and doctors are not going to send a bill based on a non-existent or expired card. They can’t. They will ask the person who is responsible for the bill. The person seeking treatment can only then try to file a claim on their own, if they even believe they are actually insured and have a guess by whom they might be “insured” in a world where they are actually NOT insured because of 0 care!
3. IOW only people with cancelled insurance will even have an expired card and an idea where to file a claim; some of these people signed up for a higher-cost replacement policy with the same insurer, so they have a valid insurance card. The new regs imply the insurer is supposed to cover them based on their PREVIOUS policy which 0 care cancelled, and not the NEW policy which complies with 0 care legislation?? Try THAT! An insurance policy is a CONTRACT.
4. The new regulations attempt to bypass contract law. An insurance policy is a contract between the insured and insurer, based on consideration: e.g. your first check. Without that, a contract does not exist. Try to go to court and sue an insurance company that did not cover you, based on 0’s threatening regulations. A court uses settled law to decide cases — i.e. here, contract law.


27 posted on 12/14/2013 7:37:31 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: bigcat32

BC/BS Illinois is honoring this years policies for another year into 2014 as if Democratcare never became law. This is unbelievable.

We absolutely must have a GOP majority in both houses. Once we do we can have investigation after investigation, findings of contempt of Congress, impeachment hearings on these appointees, etc.


28 posted on 12/14/2013 7:40:07 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Don Corleone

“Krauthammer finally spoke out about the real goal..”NATIONALIZED SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE”> All of us for example, knew this from the start.”

Welcome to the party Kraut. Been saying this for years.

Whether intentional or not, that is what this is going to morph into and they will use the Medicaid program as a foundation to build it on.


29 posted on 12/14/2013 7:43:08 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Soul of the South
Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution: No person shall . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

It's OK. They're insurance companies not persons.../s
30 posted on 12/14/2013 7:43:11 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: MNGal

Well they were fine with it when they salivated over every citizen having to buy policies but now are realizing they got duped by Liar in Chief.


31 posted on 12/14/2013 7:43:18 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: bigcat32

This will lead to the next “too big to fail” bailout—of the insurance companies this time.


32 posted on 12/14/2013 7:44:06 AM PST by mtrott
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To: Don Corleone

It would be easier to rollback OBotCare to the way it was to bring back harmony.

As we all see, the Goobers running the ObamaCare program can’t even do the proper programming to get all the interconnecting insurance databases, and the related informational processing to work properly. And by adding additional tasking of government being the only primary insurance provider would entail much much much more programming that these clowns have shown us that they are incapable of doing. A humongous tasking.

Or Obama by decree could nationalize the private companies that would attempt to keep the institutional knowledge and know-how that is in place and that makes them all employees of the state.

Welcome comrades workers, your overseeing commissars will join you shortly with further instructions from your Dear Leader and on high Emperor Obama.

The popcorn will be flowing for 2014!


33 posted on 12/14/2013 7:44:17 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: MNGal

I feel sorry for them. Keep in mind that Obama wants you to hate them. They seem complicit, but they are being coerced.


34 posted on 12/14/2013 7:49:04 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

Very true. But, I have to agree with St. Thomas’ earlier comment that if they disagree, they should go out with guns a’blazing.


35 posted on 12/14/2013 7:54:06 AM PST by MNGal
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To: bigcat32
. . . what happened on Thursday, December 12 will stand as one of the most lawless acts yet committed by this administration.

That's just plain silly. After five years, so far, of systematically lawless damage to our country, no single act of evil stands out as different from the rest of the Obama Administration's actions to destroy American life, American values, and the American Constitution.

36 posted on 12/14/2013 7:54:24 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Health insurers largely backed Obamacare.

So they can now sell at a loss and like it.


37 posted on 12/14/2013 7:55:49 AM PST by Tzimisce
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To: 1010RD

“as if Democratcare never became law. This is unbelievable.”

That is exactly what 0’s statements and new regs are attempting to do by fiat — REPEAL [ok temporarily in their minds] 0 care so that people have coverage on 1 Jan!

They are making it up as they go along! They are pushing the mountain ahead with a bulldozer, hoping that with enough pushing forward, they can somehow make 0 care eventually stick even though it is obvious that it does not work. That they can keep pushing it forward and issue more crazy statements and more crazy regulations to prop it up before it totally collapses.

They have already encouraged people to go directly insurance companies and bypass the exchanges in order to sign up for insurance before the deadline. What a concept! ; )

That makes the unworkable exchanges theoretically unnecessary.

These new threatening regs say to the insurers, if you do not cooperate with us and implement these new “suggestions” you could be barred from the exchanges at renewal time.

There may not even BE exchanges by then! HA!

Insurers have to comply with state insurance laws and oversight. Federal regulations, with suggestions, do not overrule law, do not overrule State insurance Commissioners.

And OH BTW, the people who were messed with by the govt, having their policies cancelled, being put through weeks and months of aggravation and stress and fear, are going to be grateful, that they theoretically could have had their same coverage all along, as though 0 care never existed??

Give me a break! People KNOW how much they have been put through, and even if these new regs COULD work, people will KNOW that they have been put through all that since 1 Oct FOR NOTHING!


38 posted on 12/14/2013 7:56:59 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: bigcat32

Again, it is what the majority of voters said they wanted, not once, but twice. Just be patient, their time is coming. Sooner or later, it will be their ox that is the one being gored. Then the weeping and wailing will begin.


39 posted on 12/14/2013 8:03:27 AM PST by sport
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HHS threatens to throw non-complying plans off the exchanges.

So, more people kicked off of their plans? Ingenious.

40 posted on 12/14/2013 8:08:58 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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“HHS says it may throw otherwise qualified health plans off of the exchanges next year if they don’t comply with the government’s “requests.”

These exchanges will only attract sick people who qualify for subsidies. This will soon become very high risk pool. The insurance companies will do all they can to restrict access and deny coverage, but I doubt there will be any money left over, so many insurance companies will simply drop out on their own.

Bail-outs for insurance companies will be a tough sell to the public especially when these companies will be accused of withholding coverage for treatment. The smart companies are staying away from this pile of dog doo.


41 posted on 12/14/2013 8:11:56 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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“So, more people kicked off of their plans? Ingenious.”

You just can make this stuff up. The idea is that the beatings will continue until morale improves. Classic totalitarianism.


42 posted on 12/14/2013 8:14:57 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Red Steel

Insurance companies will raise rates to cover the extraordinary costs to extraordinary levels.


Recall the “guard rails” — the insurance companies will be reimbursed 90% of the losses (that are more than 8% of expected) for the first 3 years ... so the President has just directed taxpayer funds be spent without authorization by a bill originating in the House.

“Stroke of the pen, law of the land ... kinda cool.”


43 posted on 12/14/2013 8:20:21 AM PST by Mack the knife
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What the insurance companies should do is what several groups of groups of people in the USSR did when Stalin took control of their farms. The members of the village or farm voted on what action to take. The actions they voted to take was to slaughter their livestock and burn their crops rather that turning them over to Stalin. For this action, they were killed, but in the end they would have been killed anyway, but they died on their feet fighting. not on their knees in a slave camp begging on their knees for a morsel of food while being starved and worked to death.

Every insurance company in the United States should immediately liquidate their assets and close up. But they won't. Why? Because they like the free cheese in the Government's rattrap. The Agents of the Government know this and also know that they can eliminate them at their leisure.

44 posted on 12/14/2013 8:21:48 AM PST by sport
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To: MNGal

Maybe they are being intimidated like everyone else


45 posted on 12/14/2013 8:25:58 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: MNGal

BINGO!! But the Low Info voter thinks that the Government is sticking it to the “Evil” Insurance companies.


46 posted on 12/14/2013 8:29:45 AM PST by Hyman Roth
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To: GreyFriar
This is chutzpah!! Is there still a chance this law ... correction, tax ... can be repealed?
47 posted on 12/14/2013 8:30:58 AM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: AMDG&BVMH

I think it is a perfect trap. It’s being repealed via Executive Action. We can argue that the law is moot and repeal it via legislation, once we have both Houses.

I’d like to see it undone and some innovations passed that would encourage more competition:

1. pricing transparency

2. national purchasing rights

3. let individuals get the same tax discount that businesses get

4. Commerce Clause enforcement. If Wickard proves that everything is in commerce, then why are local, county and state governments allowed to interfere in the medical/healthcare market with restrictive licensing, permitting and regulation? (for this one we need a conservative POTUS, but the top three can be done via Congress)

What do you think of that?


48 posted on 12/14/2013 8:32:42 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Good afternoon.

If Wickard [ Wickard v. Filburn ]proves that everything is in commerce, then why are local, county and state governments allowed to interfere in the medical/healthcare market with restrictive licensing, permitting and regulation?

"What do you think of that?"

You're not a bad stalker.

;^)

5.56mm

49 posted on 12/14/2013 8:40:16 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

Thank you. I try. Practice makes perfect. ;-]


50 posted on 12/14/2013 8:52:22 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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