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Disinformation behind Obamacare runs deep
Townhall.com ^ | December 13, 2013 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 12/13/2013 7:12:54 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 12/13/2013 7:12:54 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: F15Eagle

Yes, well…lies are lies…but the word “disinformation” sort of indicates a systemaic string of lies……thus that ain’t a bad word either. I may be gving Jonah too much credit here…...


3 posted on 12/13/2013 7:16:22 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Kaslin

“Lying can never save us from another lie.” Vaclav Havel


4 posted on 12/13/2013 7:17:15 AM PST by SMARTY ("Through money, democracy becomes its own destroyer, after money has destroyed intellect. " Spengler)
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To: Kaslin

It’s OK. Republicans just funded it for another 2 years.


5 posted on 12/13/2013 7:20:47 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Kaslin

Tens of millions of “Americans” still think they will get something “free” out of “Obamacare”.


6 posted on 12/13/2013 7:20:54 AM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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I’d say the number was higher than that.

To most LIVs, Obamacare means “free healthcare on demand”.


7 posted on 12/13/2013 7:23:43 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin

I’m trying to imagine the mental condition of someone who lies so easily and must eventually at some point know that he will be caught and held accountable. He’s one sick puppy.


8 posted on 12/13/2013 7:28:02 AM PST by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Theodore R.
Tens of millions of “Americans” still think they will get something “free” out of “Obamacare”.

You get free leg-irons and handcuffs for life.

10 posted on 12/13/2013 7:36:57 AM PST by oldbrowser ("From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" .....Marx)
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To: Kaslin
"Record wheat harvests this year"

"Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia"

"If you like your plan you can keep it"

"Chocolate rations have been increased from one half ounce to one quarter ounce."

11 posted on 12/13/2013 7:44:30 AM PST by circlecity
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"But the third plank in the triad of disinformation hasn't gotten much attention: Obamacare will save you, me and the country a lot of money. This lie took several forms."

The Obama lies struck home yesterday in my household. I just received notification in the mail that my healthcare insurance premium is increasing 26% next year.

By some miracle, Blue Cross/Blue Shield of TX didn't cancel (not yet) my grandfathered, individual HSA policy that covers 100% of costs after the high deductible is met. It doesn't include maternity benefits, mental health care, pediatric dental and vision care or other ObamaCare benefits that are worthless to me.

How tragic it is that I should feel fortunate, compared to millions of others in the country, that only my costs are increasing by 26%. Curse Obama and every Democrat for this atrocity.

12 posted on 12/13/2013 7:44:51 AM PST by Unmarked Package
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Trinity of lies? How about...

“There won’t be death panels.”

“There’s no widespread evidence that the Affordable Care Act is hurting jobs.”

“It’s a website where you can compare and purchase affordable health insurance plans, side-by-side, the same way you shop for a plane ticket on Kayak..”

“The Affordable Care Act will reduce the number of uninsured by 32 million.”

I could go on and on. It wasn’t a Trinity, it was a whole Canon of false Dogma.


13 posted on 12/13/2013 7:49:01 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Theodore R.

What good does it do signing up successfully for the insurance but getting no doctor that will see you because of that debacle


14 posted on 12/13/2013 7:53:05 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

bump for reference


15 posted on 12/13/2013 8:20:19 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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The lies are even deeper than most people know. One of the worst is that the GOP Members (on the whole) oppose Obamacare and want it repealed. They don’t, and the reason why discloses the biggest lie of all.

The Medicare Act of 1965 issued a guarantee of Federal payment for all “usual, customary, and reasonable” medical services, WITHOUT LIMIT. Using a standard static, socialist analysis they looked at what seniors had paid out of pocket, voluntarily, from 1956-1965 and figured the government would not be on the hook for a whole lot.

But that promise to pay without limit created a huge industry, bigger than the defense industry, that in an explosion of dynamic capitalist creativity discovered, invented, and marketed an immense array of useful, life-improving or even lifesaving products.

There are too many to list, so take one - the $60,000 pacemaker/defibrillator. In 1964, had they existed and had they been sold under a free market, very, very few seniors would have paid the $60,000 to get one. The necessary inventive and developmental work would never, never, have come about without the certainty of “free money” to purchase as many of them as could possibly be needed.

Now, whether or not these devices are good or bad, or are overused or underused, is not my point. On that issue, YMMV.

Without the socialist guarantee of money without limit, the capitalists would never have created them, just like Glastron would never offer aircraft carriers on the open market.

The socialists in Congress in 1965 knew, I believe, that Medicare would (somehow) smash capitalism. But, being socialists, they did not anticipate all the creations of the medical-industrial complex that would start to incur deficits as early as 1984.

Since the Great Compromise of 1986, Congress has paid for all this by borrowing or printing money. All of them, Republicans and Democrats alike, understand that they’ve created a monster and that their foundational promises of 1965 were lies, but none of them have a clue how to end it.

Obamacare is the answer for this generation of Congressthings. Everything that everyone knows is wrong with it is true, including that it cannot possibly work. But they don’t care about that. They needed to “do something”, and they did.

We cannot “go back” to 2008, because in 2008 the “system”, because of the promise to pay for anything capitalism could create, without limit and with OPM, was on a collision course with reality.

If you favor going back, which I do on most days, you have to go back to 1964 and redo Medicare with some kind of budget limit. And to do that, the “government hands off my Medicare” people are going to have to wise up.


16 posted on 12/13/2013 8:34:44 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. E)
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But the third plank in the triad of disinformation hasn't gotten much attention: Obamacare will save you, me and the country a lot of money.

Actually, in killing lots of the aged by denying them care, it might just turn out to be true.

17 posted on 12/13/2013 8:45:11 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: Jim Noble
Good post.

My thoughts on the topic.

18 posted on 12/13/2013 8:53:22 AM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

“I never said “If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it”.”

My MIL was a pathological liar. She apparently couldn’t control it - literally couldn’t control her own mouth. When she would get caught - and she got caught in her own web all the time - she would blink once or twice and then invariably claim that she never said (what she just said).

Even when she was taken to task she didn’t (couldn’t?) change. The only thing that we could do was put distance between ourselves and her, and make certain that she held zero influence over our lives.

I’d pay anything if I could do the same with Øbongo.


19 posted on 12/13/2013 9:20:59 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Carry_Okie

Thanks for the link to your excellent post.

I have one quibble with one sentence: “Treatment of the medically indigent is totally dependent upon the insurance pool of last resort: the taxpayer”

It has not been dependent (entirely) on the taxpayer since the Great Compromise of 1986. Under the Reagan-O’Neill agreement, the GOP could cut taxes and claim the credit, and the democrats could spend printed and borrowed money INSTEAD of tax money, without limit, until 1) Jesus comes, 2) One or the other side crushes all opposition, or 3) The system collapses.

Jesus is on His own schedule, so we have to choose between crushing the Democrat-Republican coalition or letting the system collapse.

It makes me sad that the GOP leaders have chosen collapse, since that makes it more likely.


20 posted on 12/13/2013 9:34:46 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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