Posted on 12/13/2013 2:57:59 AM PST by markomalley
Totally OT -
I remember during the early phase of OIF, one reporter called the guided cruise missile destroyer as “Battleship”, because you know they look big, and mean, and scary. So it must be a battleship.
(Back to your original programming)
At least now they (journalists) call them “warships”.
Don’t mess with the “Mighty Moo”!
ChiPing.
I'd say you, and others on this tread, are the ones with the low information, or lack of knowledge.
If you read down thru the article, in the 7th paragraph from the bottom, you find this sentence: "China is seeking to control large areas of international waters-claiming they are part of its United Nations-defined economic exclusion zone"(EEZ).
This is the Law of the Sea Treaty.
Each coastal nation is granted a 200 mile EEZ. Obviously, there can be overlapping claims to be disputed and negotiated such as the Faulklands/Argentina or US/Cuba. But the US established her maritime borders as part of the Magnussen Act in the 70s. The Magnussen Act established the first 200 mile EEZ and even though it dealt only with fishing, it was the template for the UN's Law of the Sea Treaty.
Second, if a nation can demonstrate, technically, that their shelf extends out beyond 200 miles, they can also claim that as EEZ. China is saying that their shelf extends out beyond the 200 mile.
This is no different from the Arctic, which has been in the news recently. Canada ratified the treaty in 2003 and have to make their claims this year. Canada, Russia, and Denmark(Greenland) are making claims that the Lomonosov Ridge is part of their shelf. Similarly, Britain, Argentina, and Chile are in dispute.
Clinton signed the treaty. Bush failed to get it ratified and Obama failed to get it ratified. The US, Turkey, Israel, Syria, and Iran have not ratified.
After Bush failed to get the treaty ratified, he established his policy to deal with this and Obama has continued Bush's policy.
That is multilateral negotiations among the nations involved. The Artic is negotiated within the Artic Council. The Antarctic is negotiated within the OAS. The South China Sea is negotiated within ASEAN. China doesn't want multilateral negotiations, they want bilateral.
What happened in the hemming in of the US ships is no different from 5 years ago when those Chinese fishing boats hemmed in the USS McCain, who was dragging the sonar tube off of the Phillipines.
The US has been charting the sea bed beginning with Reagan and we have a lot of tech data to dispute these exaggerated claims around the world. But since the US has not ratified the treaty, we don't have a seat on the LOST technical committee.
They (WH) don’t have the likes of Rumsfeld in charge anymore.
All our enemies and non-allies cheer ever since. Our allies shake their heads at Obama and HRC/JFnKerry/Rice...
A wake up call for those who thought they could depend on the good old buddy USofA.
“Place your bets”
If a black pawn wrecks the bow of a white rook, rendering it combat inoperable for a year or two, the black team wins.
Cowpens was the battle in the RevWar in SC where loyalist dragoon commander Butcher Tarleton had his head handed to him by Dan Morgan in the space of some 20 min.
Lots of areas back then were open space and used as “cow pens”, or pastures. This is just 1 of them and probably gained official naming just because of the pivotal battle.
And even then, Obama would not fire back at China.
Of course, it is a cruiser, though.
“Acting belligerent?” Are you on joking? Testing and preserving the freedom of open sea travel has always been one of the main missions of the USN, going all the way back to Mahan a century ago.
China, or the USSR or anybody else declaring “no-go zones” on the open ocean are going to be tested and pushed back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Thayer_Mahan
The gun tubes on the two ships are irrelevant to the outcome of this particular type of event.
In pawn vs rook, the pawn’s side wins if they take out the rook.
What was the Catalina Island incident?
Interesting, I didn’t know that bit of history. Around here, a pasture is generally a wide open space, used either for cattle grazing, or growing feed, or hay, and a cowpen is a smaller fenced area used for separating cattle or feeding. Usually knee-deep in manure and mud this time of year. I’ll give ‘em a pass for naming their ship that then..LOL.
Yes, well, they were public lands then, or no-man’s lands, so anyone could move their animals there and use it a while or while they moved cattle. Just loose usage of words, that’s all.
As for the name, yes it is funny on the face of it. Unless you view it as a threat - you are the cows and we’re going to pen you!
Do you suppose more bowing and apologizing will cause them to be less aggressive Mr. President?
C_VA is not talking about doing “anything about China” he’s talking about the need to change our policies in regards to China. It’s clear you’re losing the argument just by the fact that you have resorted to name calling like a third grader.
Cowpens visiting Monterey, CA
Re your pic in post 69:
That was when Alec Baldwin was young.
It was also before Fred Thompson took out a reverse mortgage on his reputation by selling reverse mortgages via advertisements to gullible seniors.
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