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Federal Judge: Mt. Soledad Cross Must Come Down
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Posted on 12/12/2013 7:04:32 PM PST by annalex

A cross atop Mount Soledad in California is an unconstitutional religious display on government land and must come down, a federal judge in San Diego ruled late Thursday.

U.S. District Judge Larry Burns ordered the cross, which honors veterans, must be removed within 90 days -- a decision that could result in the case being sent back to the U.S. Supreme Court. Burns immediately stayed his order pending an expected appeal.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: cross; lawsuit; mountsoledad; ninthcircuitcourt; publicsquare; ruling; soledad
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1 posted on 12/12/2013 7:04:32 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex

I would like to puchase the 10X10 foot plot of land the cross is planted in.


2 posted on 12/12/2013 7:07:26 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

Who is this prick Judge and who owns him? NSA much?


3 posted on 12/12/2013 7:08:42 PM PST by acapesket
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To: annalex

These sociaists are religious believers in marxism. Why do they get to step on federal land, much less get a federal paycheck for furthering their religion?


4 posted on 12/12/2013 7:09:46 PM PST by MtnClimber (A utopia without freedom is just a fancy name for prison. - Dean Kalahar)
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To: annalex

Oh and the hits keep on coming. Is there anybody that owns land near by that can put it on their private property? We really need to begin finding ways to surpenvent these stupid rulings. I never could understand why every Christian in every city/suburb, state, etc don’t put up a nativity set so that the only places that don’t have a nativity set is government buildings. It just gets more and more difficult to even want to live with all the crap going on. Sometimes I envy those who are in their 80’s. I don’t mean to be negative but after that horrid bill being passed and then this story and so many other stories today it just makes me really feel awful today. Not to worry, I will be fine but just so disgusted with the government today.


5 posted on 12/12/2013 7:10:28 PM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: annalex

Judge rules that San Diego must change its name to Diego.


6 posted on 12/12/2013 7:11:18 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: annalex
I suppose now we'll have to remove everything with a Cross from Arlington National Cemetery since it's federal land too.

We have to be getting close to the time to start shooting.

7 posted on 12/12/2013 7:11:34 PM PST by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: annalex

We shouldn’t fight it, we should use it as a tool. Give them what they call “bad optics”. Hold a big live video stream. Dynamite it so it falls on its side into a pile of rubble.

Throughout the telecast, remind people of other wanton socialist extremist destruction. The Soviets and churches (now being rebuilt by Putin), the British and 1500 Country estate homes, the Taliban and the giant carved Buddha statues.

Leave the rubble in place and let it be called Democrat Mountain. Spread virally.


8 posted on 12/12/2013 7:12:08 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

That is not the issue. Many people volunteered enough to buy out the entire park.It is not a property dispute but suppression of Christian symbols by the Federal government.


9 posted on 12/12/2013 7:12:25 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: napscoordinator

how many courts has this gone through??

when does it become “settled law of the land”?


10 posted on 12/12/2013 7:12:43 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: annalex

Haven’t we been through this before?


11 posted on 12/12/2013 7:13:01 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 2111USMC

Observe that satanic flames on graves are apparently just fine at the Arlington.


12 posted on 12/12/2013 7:14:34 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

This fight has been going on for decades. LEAVE THE CROSS ALONE.


13 posted on 12/12/2013 7:16:10 PM PST by Hildy (Falling down is how you grow. Staying down is how you die.)
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To: DesertRhino

The cross that counts won’t ever be demolished. Its power extends to the ends of time.

But I’d say out of respect for the symbolic landmark, take it somewhere else if this Caesar will not cease from being asinine about it. The government ministers will be supernaturally cursed who lent their hands to this misguided mission.


14 posted on 12/12/2013 7:16:39 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: DesertRhino

That Cross always represented a “Welcome Home “for me when driving back from Northern Looneyville on the 405S. Friends live on that Mountain, Veterans all.

Eff this Judge and make it go Viral!


15 posted on 12/12/2013 7:16:55 PM PST by acapesket
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To: Salvation
Mount Soledad cross controversy

Since the Cross is still there, we haven't been through this enough times.

16 posted on 12/12/2013 7:17:19 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

i heard a tale once that dint begin once upon a time but with WE THE PEOPLE so when some FEDERAL judge violates my WE by crossing MY CROSS I get crossed cause he just crossed me the WE


17 posted on 12/12/2013 7:17:47 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: annalex

I hadn’t heard of that, is this speaking of eternal flame fixtures?

But as you have hinted, one dodge currently used by Caesar is to allow multiple faith monuments. I wouldn’t mind seeing a humongous menorah next to the Mt. Soledad cross if it came down to that.


18 posted on 12/12/2013 7:18:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: annalex

I am confused. I thought this was the cross that there was a fight over which was on government property and a group was able to purchase that spot of land and keep the cross there. Or was that another one in California?


19 posted on 12/12/2013 7:19:04 PM PST by Spunky
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To: annalex

The curious thing, I bet, that most Jews and Buddhists and Hindus and even professed agnostics (and maybe even a fair chunk of private atheists) would say let the Cross be.


20 posted on 12/12/2013 7:20:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: annalex

BS! Knock it off! Just because you are heathens who have no respect for others people’s religion/ideology/values you should just LEAVE US ALONE! We don’t push our ideology on you.........GO AWAY!


21 posted on 12/12/2013 7:22:15 PM PST by originalbuckeye (quality)
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To: bigheadfred

Well those people didn’t do what was needed to get those officious officials out of their posts. Instead, those people worshiped those officials. The good Lord gave them what they asked for, in hope that they would see the folly and renounce it later.


22 posted on 12/12/2013 7:22:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: GeronL

True. I am not sure. I am just going off on anything today quite frankly. Hopefully this is not settled law and some judge with reality will see what a farce this is.


23 posted on 12/12/2013 7:22:30 PM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: annalex

When does the crescent go up?


24 posted on 12/12/2013 7:24:26 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: originalbuckeye

You forgot the /s tag?

The cross indicates a tribute of thanks to a God who was willing to sacrifice Himself. The best act of giving that mankind could conceive. And other people just whine about it? Well the Bible says that they will. They’re trapped by the devil.


25 posted on 12/12/2013 7:24:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: annalex

First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition their Government for a redress of grievances.
No where is there anything about separation of church and state like the communists keep saying there is. And if the people want to display and exercise their religious expression in public the government has NO RIGHT under the law to prevent it.The first Amendment just prohibits a national state church like the Church of England it then goes on to say the government isn’t allowed to interfere with religious expression.How a federal judge can get no religion in public,on public land or in public schools can only come out of his desires and ideology not through a plain reading of the amendment.It’s time we the people start showing them what these plainly written amendments say!


26 posted on 12/12/2013 7:25:03 PM PST by bonehead4freedom
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To: null and void

They get it every month courtesy of the moon.


27 posted on 12/12/2013 7:25:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: bonehead4freedom

Yes, the whole idea of “freedom from religion” is a modern conceit.


28 posted on 12/12/2013 7:25:39 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: annalex

Here’s how to beat this. Take down the cross and erect an islamic crescent, then have a “plaintiff” file a lawsuit to have it removed. When the marxist judge says it’s okay, switch back the cross and cite said ruling as legal precedent. Make their heads explode.


29 posted on 12/12/2013 7:33:43 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: annalex

Judge Larry Alan Burns, George W. Bush appointee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Alan_Burns

30 posted on 12/12/2013 7:34:16 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: artichokegrower

Sooner or later we’re going to have to start putting these judges on notice.

People in their area could easily refuse to do business with them and their family.

Oops, sorry judge, your car needs repair, but nobody in your town wants to do business with you. It is however your constitutional right to have it towed to the next state if you wish.

Food, clothing, church-school, church... sorry judge. We know you’re a swell guy, but get lost. We don’t need your kind.


31 posted on 12/12/2013 7:36:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Zero = zero)
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To: annalex
The Declaration of Independence mentions God...waiting for the legal challenges to it and the Constitution!

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation
32 posted on 12/12/2013 7:37:39 PM PST by RginTN
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To: HiTech RedNeck
multiple faith monuments

On the same spot that is inacceptable as well. I have nothing against menorahs or moon crescents in their own spaces. National parks are not COEXIST bumper stickers.

Yes, an eternal flame on a grave is a clear symbol of satanism, objectively speaking.

33 posted on 12/12/2013 7:38:09 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: DoughtyOne
refuse to do business with them

That was back when we still lived in a free country. Now they took care of that as well. Check out what happened to a baker who would not sell to a gay couple.

34 posted on 12/12/2013 7:43:15 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: GeronL
when does it become “settled law of the land”?

Just a hunch; when we start getting rid of of those that keep bringing these problems; permanently.

35 posted on 12/12/2013 7:45:08 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: annalex

I saw that. Isn’t that a hoot. You could still make it very uncomfortable for the guy. It’s not fun living in a community when you’re despised and folks are afraid to let you know it.


36 posted on 12/12/2013 7:48:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Zero = zero)
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To: napscoordinator

- stay strong

- grassy knoll is on the case


37 posted on 12/12/2013 7:56:42 PM PST by devolve (- "He's (Obama) just 'too talented' to do what 'ordinary people' do." - "All this for a damn fag!" -)
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To: annalex

If eternal flames MUST be Satanic in your mind, it sounds like you are so caught up in red herrings you can’t see what is good. God claimed that symbol before the devil ever stepped up.


38 posted on 12/12/2013 8:07:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: annalex
I wonder what they'll do with the crosses in Veteran's cemetaries all across the country. Arlington National Cemetary probably has a few of those things also.
39 posted on 12/12/2013 8:08:23 PM PST by 1_Of_We
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“The cross that counts won’t ever be demolished. Its power extends to the ends of time.”

Exactly


40 posted on 12/12/2013 8:10:29 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: annalex

What would the jerks have done if he cross was classified as art?


41 posted on 12/12/2013 8:11:56 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
What would the jerks have done if the cross was classified as art?

Surround it with a jar of urine, of course!

42 posted on 12/12/2013 8:23:20 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: 2111USMC

“We have to be getting close to the time to start shooting.”


I’m going to say, we are getting close to the Coming of the Lord!


43 posted on 12/12/2013 8:26:49 PM PST by ourworldawry
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To: SpaceBar

You have a good idea.

But I think that all that the conservatives will do is talk. I hope I’m wrong.


44 posted on 12/12/2013 8:38:38 PM PST by Loud Mime (Living Orwell's nightmare)
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To: Ghost of SVR4

bump!


45 posted on 12/12/2013 8:44:34 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: annalex

Is he going to demand that the Supreme Court be taken down also?


46 posted on 12/12/2013 8:51:35 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: annalex

Silly judge. The Federal government has no jurisdiction over religious matters in the states. “CONGRESS shall make no law...” + 10th Amendment = Not your business.


47 posted on 12/12/2013 8:58:55 PM PST by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: annalex

this judge is an arse


48 posted on 12/12/2013 9:05:03 PM PST by Nifster
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To: annalex

they could always do a crap job for the judge.


49 posted on 12/12/2013 9:06:11 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: annalex

This “judge” must be a fag. The powah has gone to his empty head. I’d like the fag to show us where in the Constitution he finds his freedom from religion nonsense.


50 posted on 12/12/2013 9:09:05 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (If you think signing up for ObamaCare was fun, wait until you try to use it.)
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