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Military retirees: You betrayed us, Congress
cnnmoney.com ^ | 12/13/13 | Jennifer Liberto

Posted on 12/12/2013 11:24:42 AM PST by Sleeping Freeper

Edited on 12/12/2013 11:27:38 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Military retirees are outraged that Congress will start voting Thursday on a budget deal that trims military pensions, calling the move "an egregious breach of faith."

The Military Coalition, some 27 military groups, wrote to leaders in Congress and President Obama late Wednesday about their "strong objection" and "grave concern" over the budget deal.


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1 posted on 12/12/2013 11:24:42 AM PST by Sleeping Freeper
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Is Congress cutting its bennies and pensions?


2 posted on 12/12/2013 11:28:04 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: All

but the Marxists would go ballistic if anybody mentions cutting union pensions.


3 posted on 12/12/2013 11:29:01 AM PST by willywill
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To: Sleeping Freeper

“The Military Coalition, some 27 military groups, wrote to leaders in Congress and President Obama late Wednesday about their “strong objection” and “grave concern” over the budget deal.”

Grave concern wont buy you a corn flake, vets.

You had better be ready to make some noise with us, or those VA lines are going to be the least of your concerns.


4 posted on 12/12/2013 11:29:20 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Hey, Paul Ryan: I guess the vets “read it and are getting back to you.”


5 posted on 12/12/2013 11:30:25 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Gene Eric
Is Congress cutting its bennies and pensions?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahaha! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! *snort*! ! ! !

6 posted on 12/12/2013 11:33:08 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: willywill

Bingo. The unions are the Dems’ military.


7 posted on 12/12/2013 11:34:06 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Sleeping Freeper
"Stay together, pay the soldiers... forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus 145 AD - 211 AD
8 posted on 12/12/2013 11:35:00 AM PST by SMARTY ("Through money, democracy becomes its own destroyer, after money has destroyed intellect. " Spengler)
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To: Gene Eric
Is Congress cutting its bennies and pensions?

Surely you jest.

9 posted on 12/12/2013 11:35:01 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Zero and Congress are about to repeat history. The war bonus revolt will be nothing compared to this. Now I see why DHS is hoarding all that ammo.


10 posted on 12/12/2013 11:35:15 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: Sleeping Freeper

What do they think “austerity” means? Here’s a hint: It’s NOT Latin for “cut everbody else’s but leave mine alone”.


11 posted on 12/12/2013 11:35:28 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Sleeping Freeper
You betrayed us, Congress.

Join the club and get in line, soldier.

12 posted on 12/12/2013 11:35:49 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
I guess this is not a huge surprise, or at least it shouldn't be. And I have a feeling that many retirees would be OK with this if there was a similar or larger cut in mind for the millions of Federal retirees that don't go out and put their lives on the line, in reality or potentially.

Instead, the deal includes this:

The 1% cut ends up saving the budget $6 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Congress would also make newly hired civilian federal workers contribute 1.3% more of their paychecks to pensions if the budget deal becomes law.

On the face of it, it sounds fair - its larger than teh military cut. Then you read in a little and realize that the military cut is on folks that have already enlisted or commissioned and served. The civilan side cut is ONLY to new hires - existing members of the Federal Bloatocracy are not subject to this.

So yeah, what could have been a fair and reasonable effort to trim costs for all becomes yet another gimme to the AFSCME types, and another middle finger tot eh military.

13 posted on 12/12/2013 11:38:17 AM PST by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Someone has to pay for ObamaCare.

It can’ be the welfare queens, illegal aliens now and coming, the knock out thugs and queens, the under educated mass, and the hoards with worthless instant unemployment degrees.

So Congress will cut the benefits for our retired, wounded/injured and active duty military personnel.

The liberal mediots and their lying clones in congress will rip out the guts of our vets and soon to be vets before cutting any money to the scum in America getting our tax $’s.


14 posted on 12/12/2013 11:38:22 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare, ItÂ’s a Wonderful Lie! Obamaganda is failing 24/7! Soon Obamaganda will fail 24/365!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

But I have a sister who is collecting social security disability on a fake problem. Fibromyalgia.

I guess NO ONE is talking about cutting her money or weeding out the fakers.

So my husband spent over 20 in the military is an easy target. No problem that he was promised something different.

Gotta love those repubs. They sure have our backs.


15 posted on 12/12/2013 11:38:56 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: Wolfie

You have my permission to call it austerity, when 75% of Welfare has been cut. Until then we’re just kidding ourselves. This is merely an excuse to dismantle what is right and wholesome in the U. S.


16 posted on 12/12/2013 11:39:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Zero = zero)
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To: Sleeping Freeper; SandRat; Jet Jaguar

The average cut in pension payouts, including compounding interest, for a retiring Army Sergeant first class, would be about $3,700 each year, according to the Military Officers Association of America. Over 20 years, the total losses could balloon to more than $80,000. "While portrayed as a minor change, a 20% reduction in retired pay and survivor benefit values is a massive cut in military career benefits," wrote groups, including the Air Force Sergeants Association, Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America and the Marine Corps League, among others in the letter. The change is infuriating to military retirees like Army Col. Michael Barron, who retired nearly 4 years ago, after 30 years of service, which included being deployed to both Iraq wars. "It's not fair at all. I spent a 30 year career in the military. I clearly understood what the (cost of living increases) would be," said Barron, deputy director of government relations for the Military Officers Association of America. "This is the worst kind of example of a shady, back-room deal." Military groups say the cut is unfair because the changes will affect those who have already put in their years of service.

Incredible.

May the name "Paul Ryan" be forever associated with shame. If he (or any Republican that votes for this travesty) attends ANY ceremony on Veterans or Memorial Day, may they be booed off the stage.

This is the most egregious political back stab by the Republican party in its entire history. They could not go after the people taking ObamaPhones, they did not go after the ObamaCare subsidy Takers, they did not go after the 49 million SNAP card swipers, they did not go after the scammers on Social Security Disability - they went after American veterans who served their nation in uniform.

If this is what a Republican is supposed to be, I am ashamed I am registered as one. Never again will I vote for any of these people.

17 posted on 12/12/2013 11:44:53 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Well folks as long as everyone is part of this cut it is certainly necessary. Isn’t it! I have stated on a number of occasions, that I must be willing to accept at least a 40% cut or I’m part of the problem. We will see how this shakes out but there is nothing wrong with Military retirees leading in the effort to save the country.

That said, someone on high demanding the military lead is not much of a lead, but nevertheless if it happens we can at least say we were willing to do our part. I have been the beneficiary of a goodly number of COL raises, that have kept me well fed over a period of over 20 years. I’d much rather see a cut in my retirement than the option of being shot.

Yea I know that will never happen and hasn’t been mentioned. Just thought I’d bring it up. Since we all know exactly who it is that should be on the list of severe reductions in pay, benefits, and life care. Unfortunately the problem has been unaddressed for decades so the real culprits and crooks who have squandered our resources are mostly long expired.

Leaving the living, to shoulder the responsibility and suffer the pain, and try once again to right the ship of state and recover our long forgotten liberty. We’ve enjoyed the lap of luxury for much longer than we deserve. JMHO.


18 posted on 12/12/2013 11:45:32 AM PST by wita
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“....on a fake problem. Fibromyalgia”

I don’t really think you mean Fibromyalgia is fake. My late wife had this condition and believe my I watched her suffer. Guess what, she was denied Soc Disability. Go figure.


19 posted on 12/12/2013 11:45:35 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

When will the media blame republicans?


20 posted on 12/12/2013 11:46:45 AM PST by barmag25
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To: Wolfie

This isn’t a case of “cut everything else but leave mine alone”

They are not cutting the vast fakers getting disability payments, or the massive welfare money tree. I could insert many govt programs that are draining our tax dollars.

When those programs are cut, then I will be ok with this baloney.


21 posted on 12/12/2013 11:47:49 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: DoughtyOne

75% is an interesting figure because that is the approximate rate of EBT card users whom I observe in the supermarket check-out line either buying food I can’t afford, driving away in cars I can’t afford or (most often) both.


22 posted on 12/12/2013 11:48:04 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Any doubt now? America is finished and will never recover. Oh, by the way, miss Romney yet?


23 posted on 12/12/2013 11:48:23 AM PST by Logical me
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To: SkyPilot
I know military members both close family and friends. Many are making other plans as their reenlistment come up. The drain on the force is going to be enormous.
24 posted on 12/12/2013 11:49:54 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: SkyPilot

jeez, he sure looks like Paul Winchell


25 posted on 12/12/2013 11:50:22 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

What more can you expect from the con men in Congress located in the District of Con men?


26 posted on 12/12/2013 11:50:50 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Sleeping Freeper; GeronL; Revolting cat!

Obama will never bail out the military. They don’t vote the right way.


27 posted on 12/12/2013 11:50:51 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: DownInFlames
Now I see why DHS is hoarding all that ammo.

Not just NHS but Social Security et al. So many troublemakers I guess.

28 posted on 12/12/2013 11:51:53 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: barmag25

That was sarcasism right. When has the media not blamed the republicans. They even balme them for obie care.


29 posted on 12/12/2013 11:53:03 AM PST by papageo
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To: Sleeping Freeper
There is a song by James Luther Dickinson "Red Neck, Blue Collar"
It Fits Here. . . . .
30 posted on 12/12/2013 11:53:04 AM PST by DeaconRed (If ZERO wants to copy Mandela, his new buddy, A great start is 27 years in the pokey. Period.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Come on, sacrifices have to be made to keep Detroit going...


31 posted on 12/12/2013 11:54:06 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Time for a new version of the Bonus Army to march on Washington.


32 posted on 12/12/2013 11:54:32 AM PST by AZhardliner
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To: Aurorales

Amen. And I would add stop sending money to countries who hate us.


33 posted on 12/12/2013 11:55:33 AM PST by uptowngirl
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To: Vigilanteman

It’s a gut figure to be sure. I realize there are people who need relief due to infirmary or something out of their control.

Whatever this groups comprises, be it 5% or 25%, the rest need to be weened off the government spigot. Cut the amount by 5% each month. In twenty months these folks need to find a way to support themselves.


34 posted on 12/12/2013 11:55:40 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Zero = zero)
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To: Vigilanteman

In truth, if they cut it by 2.5% per month, that would still mean that in two years 50% of the greater welfare costs would be gone. In four 100% of the greater welfare would be gone.

Even in one year, over 25% would be gone. Not bad at all...


35 posted on 12/12/2013 11:57:28 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Zero = zero)
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To: Aurorales

Fibromyalgia is real, but like chronic backpain, many freeloaders fake it because it’s easy to fake.

Fibromyalgia is often (if not an exclusive) a psychological symptom of an underlying disorder, whether known or unknown. The disorder could even be another psychological disorder itself.

Fibromyalgia is like the side affect of a ‘statin’ drug, but without taking the drug.

That’s the “Holiday Inn” version.


36 posted on 12/12/2013 12:01:53 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Aurorales

Fibromyalgia is not fake. Its a diagnosis of exclusion. Meaning the doctors don’t know whats wrong so they call it fibromyalgia.

Not to say there aren’t people who are faking disability.


37 posted on 12/12/2013 12:02:53 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DoughtyOne
There are a bunch of high performing companies in finance and business who cut their bottom performing staffers by 5% every year. We could do the same with our government employees and least deserving welfare cases.

Though your math is slightly off. 2.5% cut the first month would leave only 2.5% of 97.5% to cut the next month, 2.5% of 95.06% to cut the following month, and so forth. But the basic idea is sound.

38 posted on 12/12/2013 12:04:38 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Simplest way to cut spending in the Military is to stop moving everyone every 2-3 years.

PCSing a family costs a ton of money. Paid moving truck. cash allowences, about 4-5 weeks in lst productivity.

Keep people in their assignment for 4-5 years.


39 posted on 12/12/2013 12:05:07 PM PST by Gamecock (There are not just two ways to respond to God but three: irreligion, religion, and the gospel. (TK))
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To: duckman

Yes I am.

Phantom pains
Psychosomatic attacks

This is what fibromyalgia used to be called.

True pain has a cause. And it ain’t fibro. Maybe it’s a wheat allergy, or something else.
Many of these people had a real problem but the dr labels it fibromyalgia.

Now of course the patient can be prescribed pain meds and opiates.

If the patient didn’t have a long term problem, well they sure have one now.

Not to mention the many fakers who use this as their go to issue.
There is no way to test for it, and easy to say you have it.

The reason your wife didn’t get disability is because she didn’t have dr’ s who lied well enough on the paperwork.

I’m sorry if she was truly in pain. The cause was then never diagnosed properly.


40 posted on 12/12/2013 12:06:02 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: driftdiver

It’s a made up disorder.


41 posted on 12/12/2013 12:08:44 PM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: Aurorales

no its not


42 posted on 12/12/2013 12:15:02 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
Military retirees: You betrayed us, Congress

What a lot of these retirees never seemed to understand is that when it comes to cutting, their retirements are "low hanging fruit" to politicians, especially ones like our commie CIC. It is very easy pickings. It will only get worse. Except for the lousy economy, which the kenyan muzzie liar claims is getting better, I really don't know how the military is able to recruit.

43 posted on 12/12/2013 12:18:24 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Who but a TYRANT shoves down another man's throat what he has exempted himself from?)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
This is outrageous, but how many people who are rightfully incensed over cutting military pensions are indifferent, or pleased, at the prospect of Detroit retirees losing their pensions? The spirit of austerity is like a prairie fire, once it erupts it's hard to control, and nobody can tell who will wind up being burned.

I don't want to see anyone's pension benefits decimated. Of course, the military is a special case, but we also need to be concerned about Social Security, Medicare, 401ks, and private and public pensions. We also need to be concerned about the fate of future generations and the sustainability of retirement systems. These need to be addressed in a spirit of fairness and a desire to advance the common good. It's depressing to see the young set against the old, the public against the private, and the civilian against the military. We're all in this together, and there shouldn't be any second class citizens.

44 posted on 12/12/2013 12:21:31 PM PST by Route797
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To: Aurorales
It’s a made up disorder.

My mother had it, and it sure didn't seem made up to me. I wish the best for both your husband and your sister.

45 posted on 12/12/2013 12:25:19 PM PST by Route797
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To: driftdiver
ibromyalgia is not fake. Its a diagnosis of exclusion. Meaning the doctors don’t know whats wrong so they call it fibromyalgia.

I have a tremor, it's getting worse and affects my voice. The doc doesn't know what it is so he pronounced it a, "familial tremor". No one in my immediate or extended family has ever had it. Never mind, it's a familial tremor.

I think he thought he was consoling me by telling me that Katharine Hepburn had it too.

46 posted on 12/12/2013 12:28:43 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

The article says 1%. I believe they must mean 1 percentage point? The article also says it would cost the average retiring E7 about $3700 a year. That must have been one hell of a COLA. This is just crappy journalism. The article raises more questions than it answers.


47 posted on 12/12/2013 12:29:09 PM PST by csmusaret (Will remove Obama-Biden bumperstickers for $10)
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To: Gene Eric; Sleeping Freeper

I agree, they should.

Pension reform needs to happen, but it needs to everywhere.


48 posted on 12/12/2013 12:29:17 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Sleeping Freeper
I'm sure they'll be cutting civil service pensions as well.

Just a moment...

Oh, I'm being told they won't.

49 posted on 12/12/2013 12:30:02 PM PST by clintonh8r (Don't twerk me, Bro!)
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Makes perfect sense fromthe gub point of view. Apparently, the “the only really constitutional spending is the military in defense of the country” concept is lost on critters who have been buying votes and pull with taxpayer funded entitlements for many decades (not to mention all those infrastructure projects).

Rendering unto caesar....then off to the dentist....grinding is getting bad.

KYPD


50 posted on 12/12/2013 12:31:29 PM PST by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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