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Posted on 12/12/2013 3:11:59 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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Gillespie is an ex-Democrat. As virtually all GOPe are. That should tell you something.
“The GOP fights its own base with far more vigor than it employs in fighting the Dims.”
I am using that.
I wondered about my decision to leave the GOP last fall and now see that I made an insightful decision.
We are more of an impediment to the GOPe than liberals with whom they have more in common.
How do these idiots possible expect to win without conservative support?
Yes the GOP is this stupid. I’m Furious that they have played into the liberal agenda treating basic conservative ideas as extreme.
Well good luck Norm. I understand where you are coming from. Politics is always about comparative choices - always. Romney would have certainly been better than Obama. Bush was better than Gore. It is a judgment call and I don’t support either extreme of that argument - blind support of lesser of evils or never support lessor of evils.
Our problem is not romney, boehner, dole or whoever. One person or a few people can’t fix this. We need an army of conservatives and we have just a few stragglers. We need to rebuild the republican party from the ground up, seat by seat and consolidate power not splinter power which is how romney got nominated. 3rd pty option makes it worse. There is no quick fix and no matter what - you have to have the votes and we don’t right now.
We have some good conservatives like Cruz, Sessions and need to get more like them elected and grow our numbers. It is that simple and that hard. Blocking and tackling not hail mary’s.
Just now figuring that out, guys and gals?
Oops, the zombies are waking up. Pour more juice in the koolaid.
There’s one thing more stupid than voting for liberal Republicans.
The one thing more stupid than doing that is to have allowed Obama to win every state by too many people following your demand that everyone withhold their vote in the past two elections.
McCrazy and Romneycare were nothing but temporary place holders to avoid Obama taking every state even the hardcore Red ones like TEXAS.
We are in a different time now and what is called for now is unique to this time.
I for one will do whatever possible on the side of the warrior conservatives as it appears JB openly declared war by sacking this fine man and attacking Heritage Action and the rest.
Its not a counter attack?
Love that pic. Might save it for those any occasions to come. And they surely will.
No the GOP is slightly less our enemy let’s not be silly the Democrats do not have a Ted Cruz etc.
The GOP does *NOT* have Ted Cruz.
The GOP *hates* Ted Cruz.
The GOP is our enemy as much as the Democrats. They have been co-opted.
“McCrazy and Romneycare were nothing but temporary place holders to avoid Obama taking every state even the hardcore Red ones like TEXAS.”
Well you are correct about one thing. There is one thing more stupid. That’s supposed “conservatives” who, after seeing the past several months since Romney drove the party farther left than it has EVER been, still bitterly cling to the delusion that their actions had nothing to do with it...
And then INSIST that when the GOP puts up ever MORE liberals for conservatives to vote for, we do that since ‘the dems are worse’
No. Whats worse by FAR is thinking you know better than Alexander Hamilton and the Founders when they TOLD US through their writings that it was better to have an enemy opposing you than in your own camp.
But you just keep on insisting we keep on empowering our supposed party’s leftism. Stupid is as stupid does.
So buck up and be a man. Start kicking a@# and taking down names.
“The man has been turned.”
Wrong. He was a plant right from the start. Infiltrate, Infiltrate, and Infiltrate some more.
Well Norm, you know that I fought in the trenches with you last year. We lost the battle early on, and could only wonder what would become of our movement after the Great RINO Hope lost the election.
Predictably, our side became demoralized and scattered. The bitterness and infighting that followed was (in my mind) destructive and unnecessary. After thirteen months there are still residual pockets of it remaining. We’ve slowly begun to cohere, but we’re still not the unified front we need to be.
Make no mistake. Our lack of cohesion is being engineered. It’s to be expected. We’re in a war for the future of the country, and the other side will employ every underhanded tactic imaginable to keep us at each others throats.
It’s good to see you. Sad to see that it’s only your parting shot to this community. You’ll be missed, buddy.
I heard ya, I left the GOP during Bush’s 2cd term. The national GOP turned hard left under Bush and is now as corrupt as the Rats caring only about maintaining it power at almost any cost. We have a handful of good conservatives in the GOP they deserve support, the rest can go fly a kite.
I’ll finish fighting out this thread but that’ll be it.
You are dead right that it’s engineered. And it’s obvious. Which makes it so freaking senseless that the GOP’bots are running wild pushing the same tired and proven to fail crap that got us to where we are today.
Folks, the Bots are all around you. Here and across the right wing net. WHY don’t you fight them directly? You can’t get through to Bhoner and tell him to pound salt, but you CAN tell all his little helpers here to shove their “we gotta keep voting GOP no matter what” bullshit.
How many slaps in the face do people need? Thank God himself that more many more people every day are leaving the GOP and going indy. Until we do coalesce OUTSIDE the mechanization of the GOP, we are well and truly F’d.
After today, I hate him every bit as much as I hate harry reid.
Yes indeed I do!
Anyone who thinks we can arrest this slide into MarxoFascism via elections or by ANY civil means has absolutely no clue what time it is.
We have single party rule - just like the Soviets did. The Ruling Class trots out their ‘candidates’ to create an illusion of choice for the people they are focused on placating into submission - and they install their ‘leader’ regardless of what the actually will of the people is.
I keep hearing ‘elections have consequences’. That’s bovine excrement - because we saw our last ‘real’ national election back in 2008.
If you do not understand we no longer have any representation in Washington aside from a few stalwart Conservatives like Cruz, Lee and Paul - then you have no clue what time it really is.
History clearly teaches that here is NO STOPPING this MarxoFascist juggernaut by civil means PERIOD.
The majority have a fatal case of Normalcy Bias and it is in the final stages for this body politick.
Looking back on this in 10 years, we’re going to wonder why conservatives didn’t walk out a lot sooner. There is no negotiating in good faith with individuals or within the system. It’s a waste of time. Working within the states is the solution.
How did Oompa Loompas get mixed in there? Boner doesn’t deserve that comparison. He’s more of a Whangdoodle, Hornswoggler, or a Snozzwanger
“The GOP fights its own base with far more vigor than it employs in fighting the Dims.”
And there’s a reason for that, and it’s not stupidity as we’ve thought for so long.
I hope that wasn’t an Opus in the FR Opus sense... I really don’t see that FR is loaded with Krauthammer’s. Just sayin.
You really should move. It’s come to that.
90% in DC. The other 10% are wasting their time. It makes no sense to bother with national politics. Focus on your state.
I don’t deny what you are saying.
Now tell me with a straight face that people who are too ‘whatever’ to make a principled vote are going to do anything but line up for the cattle cars WHEN that time comes.
Of course of recent actions are anything to go by, a number of ‘conservatives’ will act as capos. God knows they attacked anyone who wouldn’t go along with the ‘lesser evil’ philosophy so some of them already have the correct mentality for that to happen.
Does that offend some people? Truth does that.
faxes away. what else can we do.
They’ve been doing it for a long time. They’ll pass some bill banning flag burning and the base will come crying back, so they think.
I’ve never seen the GOP fight Democrats this hard!!!!!!
How did Oompa Loompas get mixed in there? Boner doesnt deserve that comparison. Hes more of a Whangdoodle, Hornswoggler, or a Snozzwanger
More like a...
Of course of recent actions are anything to go by, a number of conservatives will act as capos.
That is why I said that the majority of this people have a fatal case of 'normalcy bias'.
Like the Jews in Europe 70 years ago - we absolutely refuse to believe and recognize what is happening to us. 70 years ago, when forced out of their homes onto boxcars they refused to believe what was happening to them - and dutifully lined up naked over trenches where they were machine gunned to their deaths.
Later they were simply led to the showers, and they bought that lie and walked themselves to their own deaths - refusing to believe those who were attempting to warn them what the Reich was doing to them.
Nothing new under the sun.
Don’t mean to split hair, pick nit, etc. but where in any Republican Party lit. did you see them claim to propose doing any actual “job?” The only strategy I ever see is “we gotta beat dims”. I haven’t sent them any money in years because I keep asking what the platform is, and they keep blowing me off. Guess I’ve been blown by the best? I get countless fundraising letters and I usually send back a “term limits” flyer I made years ago, using their stamp. You know they hire professional mail mill people to do the fund raising so the return mail never gets seen by anyone——which is another one of my bitches. The arrogant SOB’s just don’t think they have to answer folks. But keep your rope dry, practice your knots, and keep your tar warm-—It seems like we’re going to need them
Only if those working to make that a true solution understand the stakes and have made preparations and are willing to do what is necessary to defend those efforts.
History teaches that tyranny will absolutely NOT abide by any efforts or laws passed to circumvent their authority. Instead the tyranny will will - under the color of law - CRUSH and destroy by force anything it sees as a threat to it's rule.
Americans better understand this fact: no matter what we attempt to do to stop this MarxoFascist juggernaut - it will not happen via any civil means.
It will come down to violence and bloodshed. Our own foundations prove this fact when dealing with tyrants. You cannot defy their rule and authority by civil means. The tyrant WILL attempt to subjugate by force.
Better wake up those few of you willing to understand what time we have arrived as a nation.
Yup. Doomed to repeat history.
One of the things I see repeated on this and many threads is that the Pubs never fought the Dems as hard as they fight us. And that’s the truth. People see that, yet they miss the obvious:
That fight isn’t just in DC. It’s in our towns and here on the net EVERY TIME you see one of their minions say “Lesser evil”, I’ll fight in the primary but vote GOP no matter who it is” and the like.
Why on earth would Bonehr and Co. EVER do anything but what they themselves want knowing that they can rely on so many here to go right along and vote for them “no matter what”? They shouldn’t disparage the DUmmies. They are exactly the same mentally.
Is it normalcy bias, willful ignorance, stubborn pride or are they really not the conservatives they boast they are?
Probably some of each.
Norm, i wish you’d reconsider leaving.
hearing arguments like yours, a few of the blind like myself (thanks to our Lord opening eyes), must still be waking up. otherwise, i reason that this world would no longer be.
The normalcy bias is worse than simply stuck on stupid in the voting booth.
The fatal case of normalcy bias is the fact that few will understand that voting at this point forward is irrelevant, same as their vain belief that this government is still restrained by the bounds of the rule of law.
We have no rule of law anymore. We have the rule of tyrants and their dictates, and whatever decrees and ‘laws’ they decree upon those whom they see as a threat to their rule.
The GOP leadership are Judenrats for the MarxoFascists - because they know where the power is going to lie - and they want to share in it’s power and control.
Boehner and McConnell are actually worse and far more destructive to liberty than someone like Obama.
They are the ones who are herding their own people into shackles and gas chambers.
Thanks, but I have had it. MANY of us have made this exact argument. Many still do almost daily. I see plenty of those who believe as I do. And I hope for all our sakes, they continue. But I have lost almost all faith in my fellow ‘conservatives’. And it’s in quotes because the people I am talking about are anything BUT conservative.
I told this story several times on FR, but if you missed it, here it is...
In the late 90s/early 2000s I was senior ed at www.off-road.com. We were then and for many years the #2 motorsports site second only to NASCAR.com. Our readership was in the millions globally. Thats a fact anyone can look up.
We took the lead in fighting land closures by the BLM/Sierra Club and their merry band of communists. We warned people, told them, showed them facts and evidence...all the same things many of us do here. you might think off-roaders would care about such things.
You would be wrong in many cases.
A significant number trashed us, demanded we ‘compromise’ and all she SAME THINGS you see these idiot ‘conservatives doing with the GOP.
In the end, there was ‘compromise”.
Lesser evil” was chosen by the majority of the off-roaders as the way to go. Proof? Tale a look at the BLM’s own stats for western land closures since about 2001.
Many of those people refused to fight. And they lost it all. Here, in a somewhat more important issue of our constitutional and God given rights, the same mentality holds sway.
I am tired of beating my head into a wall. These people deserve exactly the hell their inaction and outright sabotage of conservatism will result in. Sometimes you just gotta sit back and let people experience the result of their choices. They refuse to learn, but pain is a good teacher.
So rather than contribute to the chaos, I am just going to stand back and watch history repeat. Maybe we can pick up the pieces later and maybe not. Either way they brought it on us all. and they can choke on it.
Bottom line: You cannot fight a battle, much less win a war when your OWN troops are supplying the enemy.
One less than they might need if you left. The biggest battle of our lifetimes is on the horizon. I'm dug in tight as a tick to help fight it. You may not need to anchor our flank but we need your gun in the line.
I took a 2 month break. And I see the same idiots doing their best to keep us on the plantation. A few days more isn’t gonna help. But it ain’t about me. It’s about all the people out there that sit back and let the BhonerBots push the BhonerLiberalism.
When people start telling these idiots to go to hell in public, we might have a hope of starting, much less finishing this battle.
If people don’t want people who believe as I do to give up, then they should give us some freaking help.
Oh absolutely it’s worse. And thats why we are screwed. As I said, if they can’t even do a simple thing like vote for their principles, they can’t be trusted to have anyone’s back when the SHTF.
Can anyone here honestly say they would trust such people with their lives? Because if you are right, and I believe you are, it will come to that.
I voted Romney because I thought at the time that he was the best of a bevy of bad choices.
Now, I find that every choice was equally bad. Mea culpa.
It is happening, damn sure not as fast as you or I would like, but it is happening.
If it wouldn't be happening, the tea party movement wouldn't exist.
Never forget the old adage, "Sometimes you have to hit a jackass in the head with a 2X4 to get his attention".
Well a bunch of people done been hit in the head the last few years with a 2X4.
Reality for the sheeple is fixing to set in, big time, with Obamacare.
There are more of you and I out there than you think and growing.
Believe your own eyes, not crap propaganda from the MSM, politicians and straggler sheeple (losers).
Libertarians are likely going to be the only party to show gains. Everyone is DONE, spent and flattened, with all the inbreeding that the Republicans are allowing between the two majors.
We all make mistakes. Sometimes really bad ones. Learning not to repeat them is the best we can hope for. But some refuse to learn and demand we repeat them.
THOSE are the people I’m talking about.
Thats just it. Look at the threads on conservative sites. Yes, many are waking up and thank God for it.
But look at how freely and forcefully the GOPBots push their agenda of ‘lesser evil” and the rest with no blowback.
Silence is consent. People may indeed be waking. But they are still not fighting.