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Conservatives: We’re ‘under attack’ on Hill
Politico ^ | December 11, 2013 | ANNA PALMER and JAKE SHERMAN

Posted on 12/12/2013 3:11:59 AM PST by Timber Rattler

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To: Yaelle

It was one example of many I could have used...But:

There is not one single Romney voter on FR that was unaware of his historical association with that issue. And they voted for him knowing it. And many other GOP pols as well really. Nationally/state and even local when you get dwn to it.

Again. It’s an ugly truth that people wish to ‘compartmentalize”. But it’s still the truth. Pragmitizm over the lives of others was a conscious choice. They knew and they still pulled the lever. No way around that. Because it happened.


151 posted on 12/12/2013 2:15:05 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

When Expedience trumps Principles, then the Foundations forged by those Principles collapse into ruin.


152 posted on 12/12/2013 2:19:54 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ez

Thank you. Just to get this on record before the tide hits later tonight, You will likely see a ton of posts tonight by the people I am referring to. One already put her 2 cents in a ways back, but trust me, my ‘buddies will be around to rehash their same old proven disastrous ideas about what conservatism ‘really is’.

You may even see a pic posted of Yosemite Sam on a dragon posted as proof of how ‘wrong’ I am.

Don’t laugh. Just see my post history for an explanation.


153 posted on 12/12/2013 2:21:39 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

I was thinking that since Reagan we’ve had 16 years of republican presidents and 12 years of democrats. You’d think we’d be ahead of the game. I regret my last two votes. It won’t happen again.

I was listening to Issa on Hannity a while ago and Hannity asked him what can be done about obama not following the constitution. Issa rambled on for a while about congress controlling the purse yada yada yada and never answered the question. He basically admitted there is nothing that can be done.


154 posted on 12/12/2013 2:26:24 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Norm Lenhart

I think it can begin small. We have to fight Established Media with new media. Even things like photos of bumperstickers on Instagram etc that say things like “I’m a conservative - I don’t vote GOP” etc.

I definitely agree that loud Shove Off sentiments to GOP from conservatives need to be said starting today. Stop slapping on makeup and pontificating intellectually on hannity: get out there and make sound bites strong enough to appear on every other show. Swear. Can you imagine if one of these folks went on hannity and said, “All conservatives in this country are F***ed. They now officially have no representation in Washington.”


155 posted on 12/12/2013 2:29:48 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: VerySadAmerican

Oh but there is. They can all go home and not fund him.

They just refuse to.

And Issa, Man of a thousand go-nowhere investigations, is as big a lib as Bhoner.


156 posted on 12/12/2013 2:30:45 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Arm_Bears

Boner just gave the media their story about the Tea Party for at least the rest of the year.


157 posted on 12/12/2013 2:31:30 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: RitaOK

To a point. Yes, my own grandfather thought, “it can’t happen here in civilized Germany” where he had a thriving factory and many stores. Yes, but the fact that lots of Jews didn’t believe anyone could treat them sub humanly is not the same as trashing those who were in dire helpless situations and didn’t fight. When you are naked, sick, hungry, and your heart has been broken by countless deaths of loved ones, you can’t be faulted for trying to be invisible and praying for the best.


158 posted on 12/12/2013 2:33:06 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Simple truth. Palin, with nothing but a Facebook page, drove the narrative for a sum total of months.

We do not NEED the msm. As such, the GOP excuses about the media ring hollow since they could have bypassed them since the late 90s. Again, they just refused to use the tools available.


159 posted on 12/12/2013 2:33:37 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: INVAR

I agree with everything you say except I still don’t like to fault the weak and innocent. The victims in the nazi days were extremely well disarmed. In many senses of the word. Fault them before that happened, is all. Not after they were barely skeletons.

And so glad you rose out of your slums. We need you and everyone else too. That is the whole point of this — to raise people up as Gd intended, to freedom and self reliance and love of each other.


160 posted on 12/12/2013 2:36:26 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: demshateGod

I hear you.

Pennsylvania is a citadel of Progressive Republicans who tax, spend and protect favored business and labor interests.

For the last century, PA has declined to half its once great status as the Keystone State with 36 congressional districts in 1910.

The latest outrage includes a 28 cent a gallon gas tax hike approved by a Republican controlled legislature and governor.

They increased registration fees and traffic fines to get revenue for roads and mass transit. Labor and business pocket the money and give some back to the politicos.

They say they want to reform things like school property taxes but their plan would give the local school boards new tax options like income and sales taxes to reduce the property tax which means they could bait and switch taxes to jack up their take from us and pretend its “reform”.


161 posted on 12/12/2013 2:37:17 PM PST by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN)
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To: INVAR

Amen.

This is one of the reasons some will not vote at all, believing this is nothing but a spiritual war and not a political one. Rather, it is but the sure chaos that comes to all Godless nations everywhere, in every age, and which has been well modeled for us in sacred scripture.

May God have mercy on us, who shall not be spared, but for some strange reason foreign to our history, we seem to have been deprived of the will to fight standing up. Perhaps He wants us brought to our knees to stay on our knees unto true repentance.

May God be our victor soon, and let us see His mighty work on behalf of His people.

Love, Rita.


162 posted on 12/12/2013 2:37:44 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I hate abortion and yet I still voted for Romney — I’ll never be proud of that vote, but I didn’t see another tiny chance to fight against obamaCare and the second term “flexibility.” I didn’t compartmentalize as much as triage.

I hope you rejoin the fight. It’s so discouraging. But what are we going to do without people like you? I too was extremely discouraged, and I blamed free republic for keeping me in an echo chamber, where everyone feels as I do but it’s not doing any good.... Though I know we are show prep for rush so I always hope he gets some new blood each day.


163 posted on 12/12/2013 2:39:55 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Norm Lenhart

I’ve been screaming “THIRD PARTY!” for years. I always get “you’ll just help elect democrats”. The democrats get elected anyway so why shouldn’t I vote my principles. If a conservative third party had been started 12 years ago it would be a force to reckon with today.


164 posted on 12/12/2013 2:41:49 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Norm Lenhart

Simple truth. Palin, with nothing but a Facebook page, drove the narrative for a sum total of months.


I adore Palin; I saw her in action up close and she is the real deal. But she was tarred and feathered so well by the Alinskyites that I don’t know she is helping bring new LIV folks around.

She is still very good when she reacts to events. She may not be the one we need to really inform the low infos.


165 posted on 12/12/2013 2:43:04 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: VerySadAmerican

You are right. We need to start with a few charismatic leaders and a new party. And we need to leave religion out of it. Gd yes, theology no. Just a straight up return to our Constitution and a Free People.


166 posted on 12/12/2013 2:45:14 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Absolutely, I concur. We live on, “if only”, concerning our departed Jewish brothers and their families. I can not even consider visiting The Holocaust Museum, for example. The pain is raw. But, there are those who should be living there and getting educated on how this happened and how it was allowed to happen.

G-d deliver us.


167 posted on 12/12/2013 2:47:57 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Yaelle

What I meant with the SP example was that if she could use a free to anyone web page to get her word out, then anyone can. Any ‘leader’ of the TEA party or the Right at large does not need the media anymore.

After my stint at Off-Road.com, I worked at a regional paper until 2008/9 and saw with my own eyes what the internet id doing to the MSM.

Palin just understands how to leverage it. It’s a lesson we all should take to heart. And there is ZERO excuse for a site the size of FR to be a non-factor in American politics. NONE.


168 posted on 12/12/2013 2:50:00 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

What more do you see for FR, in the way of techno communications? Of becoming a viable, force of power and a real factor in American politics? What more can be expanded exactly?

As you see, I have mastered little but what exists.


169 posted on 12/12/2013 2:57:16 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Yaelle
The victims in the nazi days were extremely well disarmed. In many senses of the word. Fault them before that happened, is all. Not after they were barely skeletons.

Where are you getting this idea that I'm blaming the survivors of the camps from?

The Jews, weren't helpless before the fascists took over. Their leadership chose to ignore the warnings (Google Munich Post) and refused to believe that what Hitler was ranting about could ever happen.

We are repeating the same mistake they made - it;s not about blaming anyone - it's about understanding the lesson of history.

Name for me ONE Marxist regime that did not engage in some form of wholesale genocide against a political or religious segment of their own people.

You can't. Every single one of them have paved the path we are now rapidly going down. We are just arrogant to think such a thing cannot happen here.

And so glad you rose out of your slums.

They weren't my slums. They were the slums of those whom their government and society have relegated my brethren to. I went there to provide comfort and an anchor to their faith.

I learned that I was the one actually needing the anchor.

170 posted on 12/12/2013 2:57:53 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RitaOK

Just return to what it was doing during the early years when it became the force it was. Thats all. It forced itself onto the stage via it’s users, who were unafraid to confront liberalism.


171 posted on 12/12/2013 2:59:53 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Rapscallion

Why are you sorry? Boehner has richly earned the cheers for him to be primaried and defeated


172 posted on 12/12/2013 3:03:33 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (Government: Slimy used car salesmen writing laws forcing you to buy their cars)
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To: Yaelle

A candidate should say “Republicans have held the White House for 20 out of the last 33 years. Abortion is still legal. I’m against it but the president can’t do a thing about it.”


173 posted on 12/12/2013 3:05:25 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Timber Rattler
Dummies in the Repub neo-con Establishment are in outright war with their base.

The base wants good olde fashioned conservatism aka Libertarian, etc, whateverthehell its called these days while the Establishment, who are Democrats for all intents and purposes (The One Party) are doing their best to keep the corporate welfare rolling.

174 posted on 12/12/2013 3:07:12 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: Timber Rattler

Just saw Boehner’s press conference on Fox.

The TV almost didn’t survive.

What a despicable little weasel.

He is compromised goods and needs to be booted out of the Speaker’s chair.


175 posted on 12/12/2013 3:10:52 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I didn’t know that. So, it was the courage of the users. Where did they all go? And why? Times are worse and worsening. They have a home here. The compliant, cooperatin’ and sceered could be overwhelmed in force of opinion by the sheer numbers, I should think.


176 posted on 12/12/2013 3:12:44 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

Well I can only speak to what it appeared to me as the reason. But I think history bears it out.

Some died, some just drifted away over time.

And like me, some got sick of the infiltration and said to hell with this madness. No one could convince me that a good number of the disrupters here aren’t posting from a Dem or GOP office.

If many won’t fight this simple battle online, how the hell are we supposed to fight them in the real world?

The old guard who chanted “Get out of Cheney’s house!” to the Gorbomination on national TV must be plenty disgusted at what they see lately.


177 posted on 12/12/2013 3:20:14 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lazamataz

Reality Laz, Ted Cruz is a republican.


178 posted on 12/12/2013 3:27:33 PM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Norm Lenhart

The problem shall remain the uninformed Republican primary voters.


179 posted on 12/12/2013 3:34:10 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Yaelle

I actually hate my 2000 vote for GWB as much as I do the 2008 one for McPain. I don’t think too much about the 2004 or 2012 votes at all.


180 posted on 12/12/2013 3:37:24 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: exit82

Without a doubt conservatives should vote Democrat for the House in Boehner’s district. It is only just to do so. Boehner will take his primary 4-1. People in OH are too uninformed to know that he is liberal.


181 posted on 12/12/2013 3:38:49 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Nextrush

Have you heard of an old PA politician named Boies Penrose, who died in 1921? He wouldn’t let a Democrat push him around they way the two McCs and Boehner do.


182 posted on 12/12/2013 3:42:08 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Are you on board with Lamar! in TN?


183 posted on 12/12/2013 3:43:18 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Williams

He ran on the R ticket. Republicans have gone DC native—Establishment. Cruz ain’t no Republican, but for ticket.
YET, anyway.


184 posted on 12/12/2013 3:44:11 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Timber Rattler

To stop they attack and soften the blows, they’ll vote another raise for themselves.


185 posted on 12/12/2013 3:45:50 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Yaelle

Rush might could have stopped Romney and McPain had he “endorsed”, but the FCC rules may not permit him to do so.


186 posted on 12/12/2013 3:46:25 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: navymom1

If you leave the GOP, can you still vote against Lamar! in TN?


187 posted on 12/12/2013 3:47:36 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

KY people still believe in McC, like Anne Frank believing in the “basic goodness” of her captors.


188 posted on 12/12/2013 3:49:30 PM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Theodore R.

“Are you on board with Lamar! in TN?”

Huh?


189 posted on 12/12/2013 4:15:42 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Rodamala

:-) He is orange though.


190 posted on 12/12/2013 4:22:24 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: Theodore R.

All the local yokels care about is how much pork Mc brings home to them.

They’re mostly yellow dog Democrats by and large.

However, McC has a machine that mimics the Cook County machine and he is ruthless in ensuring he retains power.


191 posted on 12/12/2013 4:36:11 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Russ

The salient point is not that they are ignorant, it is that they disagree with conservatives who want to play into the Democrat playbook to shut down the government again. The majority does not want that.


192 posted on 12/12/2013 4:45:54 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: Timber Rattler

The GOP-E RepubliCAN’T surrendership is acting exactly as predicted. Time to make any and all a historic ‘has been’ in the next elections to choose who will represent we, the people. Not one penny to the GOP-E sponsored PACs.


193 posted on 12/12/2013 5:21:27 PM PST by Huskerfan44 (Huskerfan44 (22 Yr, Navy Vet))
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To: Timber Rattler

War has been declared and Obama and the RINOS will combine to defeat every Tea Party Primary candidate who runs.

The privileged political class fears the People and their genuine representatives.


194 posted on 12/12/2013 6:00:18 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Yaelle
How to be more active? What good does it do, when the media have told everyone that Tea Party people are stupid racists and then they frame everything according to the liberal fake world view?

It’s like we need someone loud yet gentle who doesn’t care about his popularity (or infamy) to get onto media and just freaking talk PAST the reporter questions directly to the American people and let them know what is REALLY going on.

I'm not much of a YouTube surfer, but I got on there and did some surfing the other night out of sheer boredom, and I was amazed at all of the ordinary citizens who are posting videos and speaking their minds about the current U.S. situation.

Name a subject that we talk about here, and I can guarantee you there are dozens of videos with people expressing views like ours, there on that site.

Just finding that all this explosive communication is happening there, gave me a bit of comfort. I know that the young low infos who don't listen to Rush, and who would never even think to look for a place like FR, are absorbing the same logic and reasoning from that channel.

If we really want to get through to the low infos, that's the place to do it. It's where their eyeballs are.

195 posted on 12/12/2013 6:22:10 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Don’t forget the HupA impact.


196 posted on 12/12/2013 6:41:51 PM PST by Huskerfan44 (Huskerfan44 (22 Yr, Navy Vet))
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To: jpsb
I heard ya, I left the GOP during Bush’s 2cd term. The national GOP turned hard left under Bush and is now as corrupt as the Rats caring only about maintaining it power at almost any cost. We have a handful of good conservatives in the GOP they deserve support, the rest can go fly a kite.

My sentiments, too.

197 posted on 12/12/2013 6:41:54 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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198 posted on 12/12/2013 6:48:09 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: INVAR
The fact is this people have bought a Satanic lie, that they can compartmentalize their faith - and separate politics from their religious life. This is how we lost the culture - and this is how we lost the Republic, but hinting we can keep God in a Box, and that our political choices have no bearing on our religious life and obligations.

This is why you have a people who will tell you that voting for the lesser of two evils is righteousness, and that refusing to vote for the foisted candidate is a greater evil.

That is a very insightful comment. It's as plain as the nose on your face, if you still have a shred of core principles left.

What really surprises me, is that there are still people posting regularly to this site, that it was the voters' fault that Romney lost the election -- not the other way around.

I've tried to explain til I'm blue in the face, that it was Romney who failed to make the sale with a decisive margin of voters, and that it was solely because he's a fraud and they knew it. He is such a fraud, that he lost an election that, by all rights, should have been a cake walk for the Republican nominee.

Even worse, the Republican establishment somehow thought he was the perfect candidate to oppose Obama. I mean, how out of touch with the current track of history do you have to be to think such a thing??

Or......perhaps they're not out of touch at all. Perhaps they know full well, the depth and breadth of the ongoing treason against us, and are merely collaborators with The New Order.

199 posted on 12/12/2013 6:58:36 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Williams

Whatever you aren’t understanding, it’s not my problem.


200 posted on 12/12/2013 7:10:16 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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