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South Carolina voting on bill to end Obamacare in state
The Daily Caller ^ | December 9, 2013 | Bruce Parker

Posted on 12/09/2013 10:19:46 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A bill set for fast-track passage in the South Carolina Senate in January aims to eliminate Obamacare in the state. The law could become a model for other states fed up with the federal health-care law.

House Bill 3101, titled the “South Carolina Freedom of Health Care Protection Act,” passed the state House of Representatives last April by a 65-34 vote. The bill now heads to the GOP-controlled Senate with special-order priority, setting up the likelihood that South Carolina will become the first state to exempt citizens and businesses from all participation in the Affordable Care Act.

State Sen. Tom Davis, the bill’s sponsor who recently wrapped up study committee hearings for H3101 in Columbia, Charleston and other cities, says that the proposed legislation renders the Affordable Care Act void or inoperable through a handful of provisions...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: abolishobamacare; aca; obama; obamacare; scabolishobamacare; southcarolina
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I'm surprised it could be that easy. Will he send in federal troops to enforce ACA?
1 posted on 12/09/2013 10:19:46 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lindsey Graham will decry this as unproductive.


2 posted on 12/09/2013 10:20:36 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey, can we vote to end federal income tax? I don’t think it’s this simple.

REPEAL!!


3 posted on 12/09/2013 10:21:13 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lawsuit fodder, is all


4 posted on 12/09/2013 10:24:35 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Will they shell that Fort again ?


5 posted on 12/09/2013 10:25:10 AM PST by Einherjar
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To: cotton1706

6 posted on 12/09/2013 10:26:02 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: BunnySlippers
The BO administration has shown its a law unto itself which can unilaterally modify laws or refuse to enforce laws it doesn't like. Why can't states follow the same philosophy?

BO loves to use the excuse that "I won" as the basis for his actions. Well, he didn't win in South Carolina.

7 posted on 12/09/2013 10:26:21 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Regardless of the outcome, I can’t applaud this enough. Might as well pass it and lob the ball back to Obama. At this point what have we got to lose? I’m glad somebody is at least drawing a line in the sand.


8 posted on 12/09/2013 10:26:43 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wish them well and pray that every state fights against the abomination of the UnAffordable Healthcare Act
9 posted on 12/09/2013 10:27:33 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: cotton1706

Lindsey Graham will decry this as unproductive.
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Possibly. Or possibly he will pretend to support it, all the while supporting nomination of judges who will disallow it if passed.

Defeat Lindsey Graham in the 2014 primary season.


10 posted on 12/09/2013 10:29:28 AM PST by House Atreides
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Go South Carolina!


11 posted on 12/09/2013 10:35:31 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

HALLELUJAH!!!


12 posted on 12/09/2013 10:36:56 AM PST by marychesnutfan
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To: House Atreides
Defeat Lindsey Graham in the 2014 primary season.

At this point my money is on Lee Bright, but if one of the other 4 folks running against linda grammy gets into a run off with her, I'll switch to that person.

In the SC primary a candidate needs 50%+1 or there is a runoff of the top two.

The more primary candidates, the better.

13 posted on 12/09/2013 10:37:28 AM PST by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“South Carolina Freedom of Health Care Protection Act,” passed the state House of Representatives last April by a 65-34 vote. The bill now heads to the GOP-controlled Senate with special-order priority ..."

Gees what took the special-order priority so long?

14 posted on 12/09/2013 10:38:38 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

this could be interesting


15 posted on 12/09/2013 10:46:39 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
“It will essentially have five components to it, all of which in my judgment are legal, effective, and within the state’s power to do,”

"....within the state's power to do." YES!!! This might be the most effective way to cripple and kill ObamaCare. My concern: If it passed the SC House in April, what is taking so freakin' long for it to get passed by the SC Senate?
16 posted on 12/09/2013 10:50:47 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: Einherjar

Hopefully in a more figurative sense. “There’s more than one way to skin a cat.”


17 posted on 12/09/2013 10:58:54 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Mich Patriot; All
I can’t applaud this enough. Might as well pass it and lob the ball back to Obama. At this point what have we got to lose? I’m glad somebody is at least drawing a line in the sand.

YES! YES! And YES! At least someone is doing something besides sitting around playing "Ain't It Awful?"
18 posted on 12/09/2013 10:59:18 AM PST by Din Maker
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To: BunnySlippers

Well, this just about how the first Civil War started. Same place too. So maybe it will start something more than a law suit.


19 posted on 12/09/2013 11:00:43 AM PST by Clean_Sweep
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

***The bill now heads to the GOP-controlled Senate***

Will the GOP bosses strongarm the State Senate into some kind of pocket veto?


20 posted on 12/09/2013 11:02:06 AM PST by Paulie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can see this going to the Supreme Court. If it works, I can see a lot of people and businesses moving there.


21 posted on 12/09/2013 11:03:08 AM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nullification of federal laws within states is nothing new it was part of what lead to the civil war. But of course that entire issue has been dumbed down to just being about slavery in the 150 years since


22 posted on 12/09/2013 11:05:35 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: BunnySlippers; bigbob

Actually, this looks to be a fairly well thought out strategy of passive aggression. The Printz precedent is an effective weapon against efforts of the fed to canibalize state infrastructure for its own purposes. There will be retaliation, of course, but the SC team appear to be thinking a few moves ahead, so this could get very interesting.


23 posted on 12/09/2013 11:08:54 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Din Maker

Context. There is probably not a better time than right now to dig in on this. They will need popular support to stand against the fed, and they now have the people in a state of high alertness, thanks to Obamacare’s October Oops and all its ongoing fallout. This is the time.


24 posted on 12/09/2013 11:20:43 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: HamiltonJay

The same logic should apply to all federal impositions on the sovereign States and their constitutional roles and responsibilities.

Medicaid, child support enforcement, education, all the way down to traffic enforcement campaigns . . . which the states “voluntarily” undertake to get “federal” money . . .

BUT WHERE does “federal” money come from ??? We are citizens of the several sovereign States. The feds have no direct citizens except maybe the territories such as Somoa . . .

The imposition can only work because the feds take the lion’s share of the tax revenue of the people of the States!

It should be the other way around since the fed’s constitutional powers are limited.

Logically the feds should not be able to impose DIRECT TAXATION on residents of the sovereign States. IMHO.

The States need to be doing a lot more of the type of thing.


25 posted on 12/09/2013 11:33:20 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the “South Carolina Freedom of Health Care Protection Act,” passed the state House of Representatives last April by a 65-34 vote

Fast-track?
26 posted on 12/09/2013 11:49:56 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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Davis adds that lawmakers in Columbia are considering two additional provisions: one that outlaws Medicaid expansion, and another that suspends the licenses of insurers who receive federal subsidies under the Affordable Care Act.

Wow. That's pretty big.
27 posted on 12/09/2013 11:52:42 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: AMDG&BVMH
Logically the feds should not be able to impose DIRECT TAXATION on residents of the sovereign States. IMHO.

Makes sense, and if they had to lexy the tax on the state governments, those governments would all of a sudden get a lot more uppity about federal taxes, since they would want to be the ones who distribute the bennies.

28 posted on 12/09/2013 11:58:56 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is a good move even if it won't stand. It will force Obama back into the courts and allow SCOTUS a do over to make the right decision.
29 posted on 12/09/2013 12:03:27 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: Irenic

The 1st state in the union to sceede in CW I is doing it again.


30 posted on 12/09/2013 12:04:02 PM PST by DownInFlames
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Won’t work. Obama’s COURTS will throw it out, and then, they will DENY that anyone has “Standing” to sue over it.


31 posted on 12/09/2013 12:07:54 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's a remarkably good law. I'd love to see the rest of the free or at least partially free states [Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming] pass similar laws. This could lead to a race to the bottom, where social parasites leave the states that refuse ObamaCare and move on to burden the far left states. Key points:

. . . prohibits agencies, officers and employees of the state of South Carolina from implementing any provisions of the Affordable Care Act . . . outlawing state exchanges, issuing tax deductions to individuals equal to the tax penalties levied by the federal government, and directing the state attorney general to sue over whimsical enforcement of the law . . . considering two additional provisions: one that outlaws Medicaid expansion, and another that suspends the licenses of insurers who receive federal subsidies under the Affordable Care Act.

I especially like the last provision, which puts an absolute stop to ObamaCare in the state where the First Civil War started - and where we might, with luck avoid a Second Civil War. Since this is a flexible law, for which waivers are commonplace and provisions are routinely rewritten or ignored based on executive orders with no legal justification at all, I see no reason why a state legislature cannot implement the will of the people and dismantle this evil law properly.

32 posted on 12/09/2013 12:28:15 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oooooh. That’s gonna leave a mark.


33 posted on 12/09/2013 12:33:38 PM PST by RKBA Democrat ( There is no worst president but owebama, and valerie jarrett is his prophet.)
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To: 2harddrive
Obama’s COURTS will throw it out, and then, they will DENY that anyone has “Standing” to sue over it.

Actually, I don't think the federal courts can do that lawfully. Particularly if the law suspends the licenses of insurers who receive ObamaCare subsidies, the feds do not have the authority to control state licensing of insurance companies. That's as far out of line as federal courts interfering in our local schools.

34 posted on 12/09/2013 12:34:19 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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“Actually, I don’t think the federal courts can do that lawfully. Particularly if the law suspends the licenses of insurers who receive ObamaCare subsidies, the feds do not have the authority to control state licensing of insurance companies. That’s as far out of line as federal courts interfering in our local schools.”

What does “lawfull” have to do with it? It is about power, and the “Courts” DO interfere with our local schools.


35 posted on 12/09/2013 12:58:19 PM PST by 2harddrive
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More power to them. No flying the flag at half-mast for melanin-abundant deceased communist terrorists and now this - what’s going on there?


36 posted on 12/09/2013 1:05:32 PM PST by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Vermont can pass laws to set up single payer then other states can have the right to set up free market insurance. The leftists can’t have it both ways. Tie the two together.


37 posted on 12/09/2013 1:10:21 PM PST by ToastedHead
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To: 2harddrive
the “Courts” DO interfere with our local schools.

I remembered that after I commented that it would be unlawful, so I had to add that detail for entertainment.

38 posted on 12/09/2013 1:17:47 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And if the federal government insists upon asserting its supremacy, is South Carolina going to fire on Fort Sumter?


39 posted on 12/09/2013 1:20:25 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“AYE”


40 posted on 12/09/2013 2:05:02 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not Federal Troops. The new ObamaSwatMurderingThugArmy


41 posted on 12/09/2013 2:23:51 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: JediJones

“if they had to levy the tax on the state governments” . . .

YES! That is the way it should be! Well, not the fed levying, but the States providing appropriate revenues for the legitimate functions of the federal govt.

The Republic of these United States of America is the voluntary association of Sovereign States. So the Sovereign States should agree as to how, and how much, to pay for the services of the federal government they (the States) created, to defend and ONLY to defend, their COMMON INTERESTS.

The States should not be subject to their servant, the fed govt, DICTATING what their own citizens cough up to said servant — the federal level. Which said fed then offers to return some portion (after the fed overhead of collecting in order to redistribute), with numerous strings tied thereto.

The people are of the States, and to the States inheres the power of taxation, and should only provide to the federal level what they deem necessary for the legitimate functions the federal level provides to and for the several States.


42 posted on 12/09/2013 2:31:02 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is this Ft. Sumter all over again. States Rights over a centralized messed governmental bureaucracy.


43 posted on 12/09/2013 2:44:22 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: cotton1706

And he’ll be right if the state isn’t prepared to ignore a court order. If they do, it’ll set off an overdue process whereby states flex their muscle.


44 posted on 12/09/2013 2:47:37 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

God bless and protect South Carolina.


45 posted on 12/09/2013 2:48:56 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just as Thomas Payne wrote in The Crises, the Tories are unmasked. Just as he thanked Georgie Boy for exposing their Tories, we can thank 0.


46 posted on 12/09/2013 2:49:58 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Vigilanteman

The founders never intended for 5 judges to make the final determination what’s constitutional.


47 posted on 12/09/2013 2:52:33 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: GeronL

My guess is SC legislators and execs will get a call from the NSA saying something like this, “That’s a nice little bill you got there. Once the courts rule in unconstitutional, back off. We wouldn’t want your surfing habits to go public would we?”


48 posted on 12/09/2013 2:55:29 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Supremes will say that they have no standing.


49 posted on 12/09/2013 2:57:14 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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Will he send in federal troops to enforce ACA?

No. The enforcer is IRS. They will take your refund or later attach your paycheck no matter what you do to avoid participating.

50 posted on 12/09/2013 3:13:33 PM PST by Rapscallion (Repeal Obamacare. It is a loser.)
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