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US Gave Iran Antiquity to Resume Talks
inn ^ | 12/1/13 | Tova Dvorin

Posted on 12/01/2013 12:48:05 AM PST by Nachum

The key to renewed US-Iran relations: an ancient chalice, according to the LA Times.

An ancient Persian chalice, hewn from silver and featuring a mythical winged creature, had been seized by US Customs officials in 2003. After sitting for over a decade in a Queens, NY warehouse, diplomats decided to use the anitquity as a bargaining chip for talks - as a gesture of friendship to Iran from the US.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antiquity; godsgravesglyphs; iran; resume; talks

1 posted on 12/01/2013 12:48:05 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
This relic has nothing to do with Islam nor Islamic heritage. It predates Islam by 1400 years, 700 years BC. The 2,700-year-old Persian silver drinking cup Shir Dal unveiled in Tehran http://english.irib.ir/radioculture/galleries/photo-gallery/item/151125-the-2700-year-old-persian-silver-drinking-cup-shir-dal-unveiled-in-tehran The Griffin (sometimes spelled gryphon or griffen, gryphos in Ancient Greek or شیردال shirdal in Persian) is a legendary creature with the body of a lion and the head and wings of an eagle. Seen as guardians of secretly buried wealth, the griffin evolved from a ferocious animal of antiquity to become a symbol of strength and valor. It is one of the most common mythical creatures to appear in heraldic images, fittingly representing the hoped for nobility of leaders in human society. Griffins have had a rather consistent physiology throughout the ages. They are generally depicted with four legs, two wings, and a beak, with eagle-like talons in place of a lion's forelegs and feathered, and equine-like ears jutting from the skull. Among the few variations are those traditions claiming that only the females had wings and others indicating that the griffin's tails are serpent-like. One suggested set of associations extends from the rich fossil beds around the Mediterranean across the steppes to the Gobi Desert and on to the myths of griffins, centaurs, and archaic giants originating in the classical world. Classical folklorist Adrienne Mayor draws upon similarities between the skulls of Protoceratops living millions of years ago in the steppes leading to the Gobi Desert, and the legends of the gold-hoarding griffin told by nomadic Scythians of the region.[1] Griffin (Homa) in Persepolis, Iran While it is possible that ancient cultures devised griffin legends from the fossils of actual animals, it is more likely that the griffins were creations of myth and symbolism. The earliest references to griffins come out of ancient Persia. In Persian mythology, in particular during the Achaemenid Empire, griffins or Homa were used widely as statues and symbols in palaces. Homa also had a special place in Persian literature as guardians of light. In Ancient Egypt, griffins were depicted with a slender, feline body and the head of a falcon. Early statuary depicts them with wings that are horizontal and parallel along the back of the body. During the New Kingdom, depictions of griffins included hunting scenes. Several figures in Egyptian mythology were depicted as griffins, including Sefer, Sefert, and Axex. Griffins were also sometimes seen as pulling the chariot of the pharaohs.[2] Tales of griffins and the Arimaspi of distant Scythia near the cave of Boreas, the North Wind (Geskleithron), were elaborated in the lost archaic poem of Aristeas of Proconnesus, Arimaspea, and eagerly reported by Herodotus and in Pliny's Natural History. The griffin was said to build a nest, like an eagle. Instead of eggs, it laid agates. The animal was supposed to watch over gold mines and hidden treasures, and to be the enemy of the horse. Griffins were consecrated to the Sun; and ancient painters represented the chariot of the Sun as drawn by griffins. The griffin was a common feature of "animal style" Scythian gold; it was said to inhabit the Scythian steppes that reached from the modern Ukraine to central Asia; there gold and precious stones were abundant; and when strangers approached to gather the stones, the creatures would leap on them and tear them to pieces. Elsewhere in Ancient Greek mythology, the griffins were said to be "the hounds of Zeus," but were also associated with Nemesis, the goddess of retribution, as well as the god Apollo.[3] Ancient Elamites used griffin symbolism extensively in their architecture. In Elam legends, a Griffin was presented to Elamite Gods. Extract from http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Griffin.
2 posted on 12/01/2013 1:27:46 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Nachum

ValJar set this up. a Scythian relic to reward the criminal regime.


3 posted on 12/01/2013 1:38:42 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: FlyingEagle

I think they should have given iran philadelphia.


4 posted on 12/01/2013 1:42:43 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: MestaMachine

Yes, it would be nice, but Chicago is a better cultural fit and Michigan is already Muslim. Maybe they can be the next gift, if not given already.


5 posted on 12/01/2013 1:50:58 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: FlyingEagle

If that’s the case, the chalice predates Islam, then the only reason the Iranians want it is to destroy it. Good call, Obastard.


6 posted on 12/01/2013 1:53:52 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: FlyingEagle

Yeah, but I live in Pennsylvania and have been trying for years to get rid of philadelphia. It’s really part of New Jersey anyway...or maybe Delaware...but more suited to New Jersey, I think.
Pennsylvania would be a whole other world without philadelphia.


7 posted on 12/01/2013 2:01:55 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Not since they decided that Moses was really a muslim.


8 posted on 12/01/2013 2:03:29 AM PST by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: Nachum

What did we get for that chalice.

We gave the Iranians a chance to spit on us, and they have.

We are in the hands of idiots.


9 posted on 12/01/2013 4:06:24 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Venturer

To Obama-the-Moslem Tyrant-by-Fraud-and-SubornationofPerjury,
BOTH al Qaeda and the American-hating mullahs are FRIENDS.


10 posted on 12/01/2013 4:18:10 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: FlyingEagle

I just spent the last three days in Michigan, outside of Detroit in fact, and didn’t see a single Muslim. Are they wearing disguises, now?


11 posted on 12/01/2013 4:19:34 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: MestaMachine

90% of Pennsylvanians would agree.


12 posted on 12/01/2013 5:05:08 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Nachum

“After sitting for over a decade in a Queens, NY warehouse”

Surprised its still there. Must not be worth much.


13 posted on 12/01/2013 5:22:16 AM PST by Slambat
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To: MestaMachine

“I think they should have given iran philadelphia.”

If you could move it all over there I’d say New York,
and DC too.


14 posted on 12/01/2013 5:24:32 AM PST by Slambat
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To: FlyingEagle

The pellet with the poison’s in the vessel with the pestle; the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ9f2rnjB84

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zIWcCvQNqQ


15 posted on 12/01/2013 6:50:44 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: FlyingEagle

Picture link

http://english.irib.ir/radioculture/galleries/photo-gallery/item/151125-the-2700-year-old-persian-silver-drinking-cup-shir-dal-unveiled-in-tehran


16 posted on 12/01/2013 6:53:14 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

Thanks Nachum.

17 posted on 12/01/2013 7:47:02 AM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: FlyingEagle

Paragraphs are our friends.

Liked what I read but gave up when I read the same sentence 3 times.

Just an occasional paragraph, maybe?


18 posted on 12/01/2013 8:54:34 AM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Venturer
These folks are doing exactly what they intend, destroy our country within, and destroy America's influence in the world at large.

I'd say they are doing a great job.

19 posted on 12/01/2013 8:58:48 AM PST by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Venturer

We are in the hands of idiots.

&&&
If only they were idiots, I could forgive them. They are, instead, blackguards whose goal is to destroy this nation.


20 posted on 12/01/2013 9:02:04 AM PST by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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To: Nachum

Obama sure is desperate to reach some kind of a deal.


21 posted on 12/01/2013 9:17:54 AM PST by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: Nachum

Did we also throw in a set of Ginsu Knives? What DIDN’T Iran get in this so-called deal?


22 posted on 12/01/2013 10:12:12 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: FlyingEagle

Old news and it turns out this exact one is a fake, a commonly reproduced tourist piece.


23 posted on 12/01/2013 12:05:27 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: FlyingEagle

Everything ancient is Islamic. Moses, Abraham, Gilgamesh, they were all Muslims. So were Jesus and Beethoven./s


24 posted on 12/01/2013 1:04:55 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Looks Like you’ve got a little Liszt.


25 posted on 12/01/2013 2:49:57 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Nachum

Obama bends over and the entire nation takes it up the arse.
Who has a size 12 boot to implant in its proper presidential position?


26 posted on 12/02/2013 4:03:53 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: FlyingEagle

“After sitting for over a decade in a Queens, NY warehouse,”


Like we were really interested in it. We didn’t even regard it as qualifying as a museum piece.


27 posted on 12/02/2013 7:06:32 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: Nachum

You know what else happened in antiquity?

The freeking nuking of an area in the pakistan area by another madman in the distant past....

History keep repeating...

Because we keep making the same damn mistakes..


28 posted on 12/02/2013 10:25:48 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Nachum

There’s always hope that this vessel works out as well for these Persians mullahs as the Temple Vessels worked for Persian King Belshazzar.


29 posted on 12/03/2013 7:30:46 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Nachum
[Art.] as a gesture of friendship to Iran from the US.

WHAT friendship?! You MORONS!!

30 posted on 12/03/2013 1:40:59 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: SunkenCiv

I wonder if anyone looked on the bottom to see if it has a “Made in China” stamp?


31 posted on 12/03/2013 4:21:17 PM PST by colorado tanker
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