Posted on 11/25/2013 12:31:13 PM PST by Uncle Chip
The initial reports said a long gun that might have been an AR was found in Lanza’s car after the shooting. Shortly after that the story changed and it was then asserted that he used an AR in the shooting. Several guns including pistols were taken by Lanza from his mothers gun safe. It is not unreasonable that he used pistols and not a long gun in the shooting.
The use of the AR was the pretext for a wholesale revamping of CT gun laws and questions about the facts of this case have been deferred and delayed unreasonably. It is not the product of conspiracy nuts to ask reasonable questions regarding what looks like official manipulation of facts to reach their desired state of more repression by gun laws. Apparently that doesn’t concern you.
“The initial reports said a long gun that might have been an AR was found in Lanza’s car after the shooting. Shortly after that the story changed and it was then asserted that he used an AR in the shooting.”
No, I believe just one media source said that, while all the others got their facts straight. That is not “changing the story”, it is one media outlet flubbing a detail in their reporting.
“Several guns including pistols were taken by Lanza from his mothers gun safe. It is not unreasonable that he used pistols and not a long gun in the shooting.”
Of course it is unreasonable, since it didn’t happen. Lee Harvey Oswald had a revolver as well as the Mannlicher Carcano. Do you think it is not unreasonable to say he might have shot JFK from the Schoolbook Depository with the revolver instead of the rifle?
“The use of the AR was the pretext for a wholesale revamping of CT gun laws and questions about the facts of this case have been deferred and delayed unreasonably.”
So what? If you can’t defend the second amendment when someone uses an AR versus a pistol to commit a crime, then you need to go back to the drawing board. Denying reality is not a good strategy to defend the constitution.
“It is not the product of conspiracy nuts to ask reasonable questions regarding what looks like official manipulation of facts to reach their desired state of more repression by gun laws.”
Well, I can agree that the conspiracy nuts are not asking reasonable questions.
Did you somehow miss the fact stated in the summary on page 9 that they could match all the casings strewn about the scene to the rifle? At that point, matching the slugs to the rifle is redundant.
“Did Lanza make threats beforehand that were known? If not, then there wouldn’t be any cause to involuntarily commit him even if we had this program in place that you seem to want. Just being crazy is not enough to warrant government intervention, even if you call that intervention “help”.
No offense, but you seem fixated on “lock em up and throw away the key.” That is a strawman you keep knocking down. Help means detection and treatment of mental disorders. But putting that aside, yes, just being crazy is enough but it depends on how crazy. He had problems, his Mother knew he had problems and never really got him an evaluation. Rather than getting him the help (notice I did say LOCK HIM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY) he needed, she hid him away and shielded him. Hell, she taught him to shoot and let him play video games showing said skill applied to mass slaughter.
“All of the 5.56 mm shell casings from the school that were tested were found to have been fired from this rifle.”
And how many were tested, out of the 150 or so found on the scene?
Even if the shell casings were indeed traced to that rifle, you still got nothing to put that rifle in Lanza’s hands. No fingerprints, and no gunshot residue evidence.
Quote; “At what point and at whose discretion do we start locking people up? Apparently he WAS able to function for almost 21 years in society without hurting anyone. Who gets to decide at what point that changed?”
Again, I never said lock people up.
I suppose our definition of functioning normally differs. We will agree to disagree that he was functioning normally, If you can read accounts of his behavior it was disturbing. . I believe someone said it above, he got “disturbed” when his Mom had guests over. In my opinion the real question is was he functioning or was his Mother covering for his malfunctioning? Now, I am not debating that there are people who face mental illness challenges who are functioning but at some point there is a line that is crossed.
“And how many were tested, out of the 150 or so found on the scene?”
Who cares? If you want them to test every single one, go call them up and tell them that and see how far you get.
“Even if the shell casings were indeed traced to that rifle, you still got nothing to put that rifle in Lanza’s hands. No fingerprints, and no gunshot residue evidence.”
Well, except witnesses. And the fact that the rifle’s ownership can be trace to Lanza’s mother. And the fact that Lanza’s mother was killed and the rifle missing from the home. And the fact that Lanza was found dead, with the rifle, in the school. So, yeah, except for all of that, we have nothing, I guess.
“No offense, but you seem fixated on “lock em up and throw away the key.” That is a strawman you keep knocking down. Help means detection and treatment of mental disorders.”
Yes, of course I am focusing on locking them up. There isn’t any other way to treat psychotics that will keep them from occasionally having psychotic episodes where they might kill people. So, to suggest there is some other treatment that will prevent these things is just wishful thinking.
“But putting that aside, yes, just being crazy is enough but it depends on how crazy. He had problems, his Mother knew he had problems and never really got him an evaluation.”
And how do you propose these situations should be handled? Are you going to force everyone to get mental evaluations?
Quote: “And how do you propose these situations should be handled? Are you going to force everyone to get mental evaluations?”
Uhhh, certainly the one’s who live in Mommy’s house, mutter to themselves, get visibly agitated when visitors come to the house, are fixated on mass murder and can’t socialize normally to the point where said Mommy is thinking about sending them away, especially when said Mommy owns firearms.
Keep in mind, nobody knew Lanza was “fixated on mass murder” until after the fact. So, what you are left with is an odd, but apparently non-violent person. Do you want forced mental evaluations for those people?
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