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Driver Arrested in Ohio for Secret Car Compartment Full of Nothing
reason.com ^ | 11/21/2013 | Scott Shackford

Posted on 11/25/2013 5:08:12 AM PST by Orangedog

Norman Gurley, 30, is facing drug-related charges in Lorain County, Ohio, despite the fact that state troopers did not actually find any drugs in his possession.

Ohio passed a law in 2012 making it a felony to alter a vehicle to add a secret compartment with the “intent” of using it to conceal drugs for trafficking.

Gurley is the first actual person arrested under the law. WKYC in Northeast Ohio covered the arrest, with no notable journalistic skepticism whatsoever:

They pulled over the driver for speeding, but then troopers noticed several wires running to the back of the car.

Those wires then led them directly to a hidden compartment.

Around 5 p.m. on Tuesday state troopers made the arrest under the law, which is meant to combat criminals who modify the inside of their car, allowing them to store drugs or weapons inside secret compartments, which can often only be accessed electronically.

They just noticed some wires, did they? Just while in the process of handing Gurley a speeding ticket, they noticed the wires?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: leooutofcontrol; secretcompartment
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1 posted on 11/25/2013 5:08:12 AM PST by Orangedog
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To: Orangedog

Come on drug warriors and big government types...defend this. Remember, no complaining will be allowed when this happens to you or someone you care about.


2 posted on 11/25/2013 5:10:07 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

Pre-crime


3 posted on 11/25/2013 5:10:40 AM PST by Flick Lives (The U.S. is dead to me.)
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To: Orangedog

He wasn’t on the list of protected curriers. They were just eliminating the competition.


4 posted on 11/25/2013 5:18:02 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: Orangedog

What if the compartment was for hiding his porn stash from his girlfriend? Or, his beer from his freeloading friends? What if he just wanted some place to try to conceal his valuables while traveling?

So, anything that “conceals” a space in your vehicle is assumed automatically to be drug related and thus punishable? So, if the spare tire well in the trunk is empty......am I violating the law in Ohio?


5 posted on 11/25/2013 5:20:27 AM PST by FAA
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To: Orangedog

How far we have fallen. Many of our founding fathers were smugglers living under the tyranny of the English overlords. Substitute “New England” for “England” and you know that we are in the same predicament.


6 posted on 11/25/2013 5:22:20 AM PST by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: Orangedog
How do they know that “intent” was to use it to conceal drugs for trafficking?

Do the cops have one of those Minority Report Machines?
7 posted on 11/25/2013 5:22:41 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

If you could bring this story through a time machine to 1970, a reader of 1970 would assume that we had lost World War III to the communists.


8 posted on 11/25/2013 5:27:39 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Orangedog

If there are obvious wires running to a compartment, then it is de facto, not a hidden compartment.


9 posted on 11/25/2013 5:28:36 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Orangedog

Wasn’t it Louissianna where if you got stopped with a couple of thousand dollars in your pocket they took the money and said it was drug money?


10 posted on 11/25/2013 5:29:07 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: FAA

If arrested and charged with having a hidden compartment in your care (a 4th degree felony), you will have the opportunity to prove your innocence in court. That is if you have the $20,000 or more for attorneys fees. And even if you can prove your innocence, they get to keep your car.


11 posted on 11/25/2013 5:29:18 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: jaydubya2

Apparently cops are mind readers now and you can get busted for THINKING about doing something wrong.

I won’t say what I am thinking because they may be listening.


12 posted on 11/25/2013 5:29:25 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: Venturer

That’s not confined to Louisiana. Any cop can steal whatever money you have on you and call it drug money.


13 posted on 11/25/2013 5:32:28 AM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog

The precedent on this type of horsepoo was set by things like....

1. “Prima fascia (sic?)” laws.....making the possession of something or commission of an act illegal WITHOUT any need to show intent to commit a real crime.

2. “Ignorance of the law is no excuse” horsepoo. Back when THE LAW was the 10 Commandments and 10 Amendments....this might of held some water. Assumption is that the person DOES know, but is merely lying about his ignorance to avoid punishment. HOWEVER, how many Indians were hung because in some of their many cultures there was no concept of “owning land” or upon finding something unattended supposed that it was abandoned? Is this any different than the white man’s law of salvage?

3. Drug paraphernalia horsepoo laws.....you can be sent up the river on drug charges for having a corncob pipe and BIC lighter if you left your tobaky on the dresser when you headed out to the bar.

4. Possession of criminal tools horsepoo laws.....screwdrivers, hammers, axes, etc....are “criminal tools” if found by a zealous enforcement type that wants to show you where the smoky bear poos in the woods.

....and it goes on.

They couldn’t tag this guy by his car/license and location and wait until he actually BREAKS A REAL LAW? Instead they MAKE UP A LAW for him to break.

Reeks of ex-posto facto and a bills of attainder.

We are one step short of just being YOU being illegal.

It is f%$king evil.

It has happened before....it is happening now.

DO NOT CONSENT.
Defend your liberty.
Not your comfort.


14 posted on 11/25/2013 5:33:08 AM PST by Lowell1775
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To: Orangedog

This story is along the same line as getting busted for possession of ziplock bags.


15 posted on 11/25/2013 5:39:43 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: jaydubya2
Do the cops have one of those Minority Report Machines Magic Eight Balls?

There, fixed!

Regards,
GtG

16 posted on 11/25/2013 5:40:49 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Orangedog

If you let people have secret compartments in their car, they might use them to hide Jews.


17 posted on 11/25/2013 5:41:58 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

Really small Jews, but Jews nonetheless...


18 posted on 11/25/2013 5:42:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Yes, tiny. Tiny but powerful!


19 posted on 11/25/2013 5:44:45 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Orangedog

Another victim of the WOD. Now it is illegal to even LOOK like you MIGHT smuggle drugs. When will it end?


20 posted on 11/25/2013 5:47:54 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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