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CIA's Financial Spying Bags Data on Americans: Includes Financial and Personal Data
Wall Street Journal ^ | 11/15/2013 | By SIOBHAN GORMAN, DEVLIN BARRETT and JENNIFER VALENTINO-DEVRIES

Posted on 11/17/2013 7:01:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The Central Intelligence Agency is building a vast database of international money transfers that includes millions of Americans' financial and personal data, officials familiar with the program say.

The program, which collects information from U.S. money-transfer companies including Western Union, WU -4.30% is carried out under the same provision of the Patriot Act that enables the National Security Agency to collect nearly all American phone records, the officials said. Like the NSA program, the mass collection of financial transactions is authorized by a secret national-security court, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cia; financialdata; spying

1 posted on 11/17/2013 7:01:46 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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Kinda’ like the IRS and random credit companies...

At least we recently had medical history privacy.


2 posted on 11/17/2013 7:07:16 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Domestic spying is supposed to be outside the purview of the CIA.


3 posted on 11/17/2013 7:11:23 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They can’t track fraudulent transfers of tax refunds, FBI weapons, or Welfare fraud. Maybe we need to tell them to stop, until they complete a forensic study of Uncle Sam first?

This isn’t keeping us safe. It’s keeping us enslaved.


4 posted on 11/17/2013 7:12:47 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Agree.


5 posted on 11/17/2013 7:40:52 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Mikey_1962

And for that reason this report seems a little questionable.


6 posted on 11/17/2013 8:01:58 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ask yourself- would the Founding Fathers have thought the Fourth Amendment would allow the Post Office to make a copy of the sender and recipient of every piece of mail that passed through your mailbox, just in case the government wanted to give itself permission to analyze that compilation in the future? I THINK NOT!


7 posted on 11/17/2013 8:32:06 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: 1010RD

This isn’t keeping us safe. It’s keeping us enslaved.

Yep. That should be on a bumper sticker.


8 posted on 11/17/2013 8:53:31 PM PST by Paulie
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To: SeekAndFind

CIA has no way of tracking moslem money transfers in and out of this country because the moslems use a withdraw-cash-here in USA system- and deposit-cash-there overseas untrackable system.


9 posted on 11/17/2013 9:45:50 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Mikey_1962

The CIA is allowed to track communications/deliveries of contraband from foreign countries, as well as people. Then it is handed over to the FBI but if the subject has contact with people/govts overseas, the CIA can monitor it.

The CIA is not supposed to conduct domestic intelligence gathering per se. However, from personal experience as an undercover operative, I once met a foreign national who had come to the US to participate in anti-US foreign policy strategy sessions, conferences, and protests.

That person clearly would come under CIA overseas surveillance, and entry and exit surveillance, with the FBI picking up their movements/activities in the US. She was a KGB asset if not an actual KGB operative (there is a difference re “control” and “instructions”).

Other members of a Communist Party of Japan front with direct ties to KGB “peace fronts” also came to DC, about 2 miles or less from the White House. I was part of the greeting party (Communist Party USA members being the leaders of the “peace” organization here).

The world of counter-intelligence is very complex and our rules, until the Patriot Act, were basically crappy, emasculated, outdated, and not wide enough in targeting new threats to our security (who used new methods to subvert and/or attack us which were not covered in the previous laws).

Can the Patriot Act be refined and reformed where necessary? Yes. But the key question is about who is going to do the “reforming” and how much do they know of the actual world of subversion.

Also, when you have a hardcore Communist heading the House Judiciary Committee as Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich) did for a long time, how can you trust him with Top Secret intelligence?

YOU CAN’T, nor some of his staff who also had ties to Communist fronts but here and overseas. (Ex. The World Youth Festival, a Soviet operation since it was created).

The question I always ask someone about intelligence is do they know who the enemy is and where they are. If the answer (and details) are “yes”, then I have confidence in them. If not, as in some of our FBI and CIA directors, we are in deep trouble, and presently are today.


10 posted on 11/17/2013 11:24:48 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Thanks for the clarification.

Conyers was my Congressman for years until I moved out of the Peoples Republic of Detroit.

The City council had actual Communist Party members on the board.


11 posted on 11/18/2013 3:11:31 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"The Central Intelligence Agency is building a vast database of international money transfers that includes millions of Americans' financial and personal data, officials familiar with the program say."

The key and operative words here are: a vast database of international money transfers that includes millions of Americans' financial and personal data.

How many of us have ever sent or received an international money order? In my 75 years, my wife and I and zero relatives have ever sent an international money order. Now have I ever known anyone who has sent an international money order.

I have seen hunreds of illegals lined up at the business windows of grocery stores/drug stores and other retail outlets, sending money orders to their relatives in their home countries.

How many of those sending international money orders, illegals or people with visas from countries wanting to destroy us? "The Central Intelligence Agency is building a vast database of international money transfers that includes millions of Americans' financial and personal data, officials familiar with the program say."

12 posted on 11/18/2013 7:35:25 AM PST by Grampa Dave (You can keep your doctor, health plan, and this is only a cold sore.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I have sent them- for Ebay items years ago.


13 posted on 11/18/2013 8:12:49 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: PghBaldy

“I have sent them- for Ebay items years ago.”

Thanks!

Now I know of someone who has sent an international money order.

What was the largest $ amount on your money orders?


14 posted on 11/18/2013 8:20:25 AM PST by Grampa Dave (You can keep your doctor, health plan, and this is only a cold sore.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can’t read the article...

But I’ll make a prediction:

The inventoried data includes everything they can find which bears upon political proclivities as well.


15 posted on 11/18/2013 8:32:44 AM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: 1010RD

Add - they can’t track fraudulent overseas’ contributions to Obama’s campaign..


16 posted on 11/18/2013 9:42:24 AM PST by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Paulie

First horsewhipping to take place right after all the guns are confiscated.


17 posted on 11/18/2013 11:27:34 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe the Feds will see how much money the illegals are sending out of the country & realize that there are far more than 11 million illegals here they are trying to give amnesty to.

For those of you who think I am overstating this:

Go to your local Western Union location anytime from noon Friday until late Saturday & see the lineup of illegals sending money out of the USA.
The numbers are large enough to even get the attention of Ray Charles.


18 posted on 11/19/2013 5:47:15 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: bunkerhill7

Go to a local Western Union location on Friday noon thru Sat night, and see for yourself how much money just that ONE company is transferring!!!


19 posted on 11/19/2013 5:48:37 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
The question I always ask someone about intelligence is do they know who the enemy is and where they are.

The enemy is Big Brother.

20 posted on 11/19/2013 8:02:37 AM PST by kobald
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To: kobald

Don’t forget “Big Sis” Napolitano, the stupidest woman in government besides Sebelius, Hillary Clinton, Sen. Boxer, Feinstein, Baldwin, Murphy, Gillibrand, Mikulski, Rep. Wasserman-Putz, Sheila Jackson Lee, the rodeo cowgirl from Texas, Schakowsky the Red, Madelaine Halfbright, Susan Rice, etc.

We are surrounded by stupidity and incompetence, which means they work for or worked for the Clinton and Obama regimes. Their slogan was:

“Hiring the worst and the stupidest, not the best and the brightest”!


21 posted on 11/19/2013 6:05:15 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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