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A Russian GPS Using U.S. Soil Stirs Spy Fears
The New York Times ^ | November 16, 2013 | MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT and ERIC SCHMITT

Posted on 11/16/2013 5:39:47 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

WASHINGTON — In the view of America’s spy services, the next potential national security threat from Russia may not come from a nefarious cyberweapon or intelligence gleaned from the files of Edward J. Snowden, the former security contractor now in Moscow.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: gps; littlebit2muchgps; obama; putin; russia; russiangps; usstatedepartment; waronterror
They fear that these structures could help Russia spy on the United States...

Ya think?

1 posted on 11/16/2013 5:39:48 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

2 posted on 11/16/2013 5:45:29 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

Thanks E. Pluribus Unum.


3 posted on 11/16/2013 5:47:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I do see a serious potential threat here.

Strangely enough, I can see why other nations would want to compete with our GPS for competitive reasons also.

I don’t like the idea of Russian GPS stations in the U.S. I’m not sure what reasoned resolution there can be to this.

Russia will want it. We won’t want them to have it.

We’re on on their soil with ours. I don’t think they should be on our soil with theirs.

The potential for a massive downside is there. That’s the way it is.


4 posted on 11/16/2013 6:07:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: DoughtyOne

5 posted on 11/16/2013 6:08:26 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

This is one flexible guy...


6 posted on 11/16/2013 6:15:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It's the last line of the article that's the chiller:

The State Department does not think that is a strong argument, said an administration official. “It doesn’t see them as a threat.”

As far as I'm concerned, any assurance coming from the DOS for the last fifty years is in fact a deadly warning.

7 posted on 11/16/2013 6:27:27 PM PST by Carry_Okie ("Single payer" is Medicaid for all; they'll pull the sheet over your head when you're done.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The State Department does not think that is a strong argument, said an administration official. “It doesn’t see them as a threat.”


8 posted on 11/16/2013 6:57:17 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Does the US have stations on Russian territory?

I think not. WTF?


9 posted on 11/16/2013 7:28:28 PM PST by slouper (LWRC M6A2)
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To: Talisker
... and improve the precision of Russian weaponry

... help guide Russian and Chinese ICBMs into American cities...

10 posted on 11/16/2013 7:32:33 PM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What did they think google earth was gonna do close doors and hide behind clouds and you can bet that government google earth is far more sophisticated than the crap we use at home to find a pond !


11 posted on 11/16/2013 7:48:40 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (I'm not afraid to say what i mean nor should you be afraid of what you know to be true !)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Without Glasnos most of the land surveyors in this country would be SOL. Our GPS is not sufficient to operate in high foliage areas. With glasnos, RTK (you know those surveyors you see with a pole with an dome on top) would be limited to mostly open areas. I don’t own GPS because I never wanted to be dependent on .gov for my work.


12 posted on 11/16/2013 8:22:50 PM PST by DaveinOK54 (Freedom is not Free and I'll never quit defending it.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Without Glasnos most of the land surveyors in this country would be SOL. Our GPS is not sufficient to operate in high foliage areas. With glasnos, RTK (you know those surveyors you see with a pole with an dome on top) would be limited to mostly open areas. I don’t own GPS because I never wanted to be dependent on .gov for my work.


13 posted on 11/16/2013 8:24:04 PM PST by DaveinOK54 (Freedom is not Free and I'll never quit defending it.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If Russia wants a competitive commercial GPS, then launch and maintain those orbiting birds....


14 posted on 11/16/2013 8:43:07 PM PST by Jumper
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To: DoughtyOne

This is also a political exercise in predisposing ourselves tontheir presence on US soil, dependant.

I cannot believe we are that stupid. In other times such requests would have triggered a military response.


15 posted on 11/16/2013 8:46:03 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: GOPJ

Just don’t put them out here in the corn fields. Put them in all Democrat strongholds, then cut a deal with the Enemy to destroy our cities that are just dysfunctional human squalor cesspools; they will then tell us which areas they would like wiped clean in the limited launching of nuclear weapons. Both sides agree that getting ride of the socialists and nonperforming citizenry will allow humanity to “work” together more closely on future issues.


16 posted on 11/16/2013 8:46:16 PM PST by Jumper
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To: Jumper
The US isn't maintaining our GPS satellites.

If I recall correctly some aren't functioning already.

Could be the Russians are just filling in, doing another job Americans aren't willing to do.

Wonder where I need to go to buy a Russian GPS receiver?

17 posted on 11/16/2013 9:31:41 PM PST by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: lavaroise

I agree. Which means it will happen. LOL


18 posted on 11/16/2013 9:53:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: Mogger

>>>Wonder where I need to go to buy a Russian GPS receiver?<<<

Recent gadgets (IPhone 4s and newer, Samsung phones and tablets) supports both GPS and Glonass.
AFAIK these things are programmed to use both USAF and Russian satellites at the time for enhanced precision.


19 posted on 11/16/2013 10:36:16 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Jumper

These things are a threat to our security - they would NOT be a target. No one’s talking about getting rid of citizens in large cities - dependent or not. Where on earth did that come from?


20 posted on 11/17/2013 1:22:34 AM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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To: lavaroise
"In other times such requests would have triggered a military response."

The undocumented Tyrant PROMISED Putin things
would go smoothly after his "second election".

This is more treason
--- again, simply ignored by a whoring, drunk Congress.

21 posted on 11/17/2013 4:31:58 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I read the other day there are more Soviet Russian spies in the USA today THAN THERE WERE DURING THE COLD WAR!!!


22 posted on 11/17/2013 6:27:38 AM PST by RetiredArmy (I am proud to be a Christian and follower of my Lord Jesus Christ. Time is short for U to know Him!)
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To: Jumper

they already have one and you can get civilian receivers for it. Better than gps for some applications and definitely useful if civilian gps is “suspended for our safety”. I’d imagine the land based stations are meant to improve accuracy.

GLONASS

http://electronicdesign.com/test-amp-measurement/real-world-drive-tests-declare-verdict-gpsglonass


23 posted on 11/17/2013 6:41:47 AM PST by varyouga
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Okay, all together now, let's spell...

S... T... U... P... I... D...

Last of the article:

Is that sorta like the threat they didn't see in Ben Gazi? Duh!
24 posted on 11/17/2013 8:13:09 AM PST by upchuck (I can't stand people that don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're.' Their so stupid...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The real news/headline should be Why is the US State Department allowing this?!

From the article:

"In recent months, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon have been quietly waging a campaign to stop the State Department from allowing Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, to build about half a dozen of these structures, known as monitor stations, on United States soil, several American officials said. "

25 posted on 11/17/2013 9:38:47 AM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: upchuck

Nobody is that stupid - try “DELIBERATE”.


26 posted on 11/17/2013 9:40:21 AM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“For the State Department, permitting Russia to build the stations would help mend the Obama administration’s relationship with the government of President Vladimir V. Putin, now at a nadir because of Moscow’s granting asylum to Mr. Snowden and its backing of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria. “

Obama is selling out US security. Again... And getting NOTHING in return.


27 posted on 11/17/2013 9:41:51 AM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
Obama is selling out US security. Again... And getting NOTHING in return

The United States is getting nothing in return... we don't know what Obama's getting.

28 posted on 11/17/2013 9:43:43 AM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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To: GOPJ

Excellent point!!!!


29 posted on 11/17/2013 9:44:45 AM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

CIA vs. DOS. My money’s on CIA, they have the firepower and I’m givin’ big odds.


30 posted on 11/17/2013 10:34:06 AM PST by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of 0bama’s America)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I miss LORAN-C


31 posted on 11/17/2013 11:29:45 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: DoughtyOne

Here’s the rock bottom, real world, line: Do not let yourself become dependent in any fashion on Satellite/internet/electronic devices. Keep your basic skills up. While Ipads, Ipods, maxipads, PC’s, GPS’s and all the rest can be labor saving, extremely useful tools you cannot bet your life on any of them. If foreign interests put comm. facs. in your neighborhood have a plan to take them out at any sign of trouble.

Don’t forget how to read a compass. Don’t forget how to read a map. If you survey don’t forget how to use optical instruments. If you are a pilot don’t forget how to get home if your dash lights go out. If you go to sea don’t forget how to read the stars. And keep your eyes on the road if you’re driving in front of me-—I will put you in the ditch if it looks like you’re going to cause me a problem.


32 posted on 11/17/2013 11:49:46 AM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Carry_Okie

And the head of the State Department is who?
Trustability would be below whale crap at the bottom of the ocean.


33 posted on 11/17/2013 11:57:18 AM PST by Huskerfan44 (Huskerfan44 (22 Yr, Navy Vet))
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To: cherokee1

I agree. Sadly I think the time is coming when small town life is going to look pretty good.

Cities are ready to explode IMO.

The next series of riots are going to make the last ones look tame.


34 posted on 11/17/2013 12:24:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: BenLurkin

Russia will have to work hard to spy on Americans even half as much as the Fascist Obaba Regime does.
And has Russia recently bought 2 billion rounds of non-military ammo, illegal to use by the Military, but legal for DHS death squads to kill citizens with.


35 posted on 11/17/2013 6:10:50 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: DaveinOK54

“Without Glasnos most of the land surveyors in this country would be SOL. Our GPS is not sufficient to operate in high foliage areas. With glasnos, RTK (you know those surveyors you see with a pole with an dome on top) would be limited to mostly open areas. I don’t own GPS because I never wanted to be dependent on .gov for my work.”

It’s actually called GLONASS, and those TOPCON Hyperlites you mention depending on model can receive GPS only, or GPS+ GLONASS, or GPS+ GLONASS+ Eurostar.

Our GPS is able to be used in high foliage areas! BUT you need to use either a military grade receiver such as the PLGR, or a professional grade receiver such as the Hyperlite.

We’ve battling at work over our GPS enabled handheld devices which are +\- 50ft accuracy. So now we got saddled with an additional Garmin that is GPS + GLONASS which gives us a +\- 20ft. In both cases we’re using “recreational grade” equipment while the client was promised professional grade results by our higher ups while people like me who make things happen get stuck in the middle of the circular firing squad.


36 posted on 11/17/2013 10:04:10 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Impeach 0bama)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I remember those bumper stickers:

Don't steal. The government hates competition.

We can now get new bumper stickers:

Russia don't spy on Americans. Our government hates competition.

37 posted on 11/18/2013 8:45:40 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: DaveinOK54

I have some compasses and USGS maps. I got a GPS for Christmas a while back and I think it is in my hunting backpack and I would use it only to mark a precise location (like a kill) to return to it expeditiously.


38 posted on 11/18/2013 1:01:08 PM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Carry_Okie
As far as I'm concerned, any assurance coming from the DOS for the last fifty years is in fact a deadly warning.

That's true. But I still see Washington D.C. as a greater threat to our Nation than Foreign nations.
Actually I will lump our Media as the number one threat/enemy (since due to their efforts we've elected the 'leaders' we have in DC), Washington DC second, and our Education system third. Foreign nations come in a distant fourth.

39 posted on 11/18/2013 4:14:51 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid
That's true. But I still see Washington D.C. as a greater threat to our Nation than Foreign nations.

That's true, but as far as I know the DOS (Department of State) is in Washington D.C. To be accurate, I should have said at least 80 years (to span the career of Cordell Hull).

40 posted on 11/18/2013 4:19:58 PM PST by Carry_Okie ("Single payer" is Medicaid for all; they'll pull the sheet over your head when you're done.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Surveyors in the US use both GPS and GLONASS systems, often integrated together.

Military accuracy for both systems is already tighter than one centimeter, so how accurate do you think we need to get?


41 posted on 11/18/2013 4:23:03 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Carry_Okie
I am all for razing down the DOS and turning the land into something useful -- like growing corn, or slopping hogs...

Actually, I didn't realize I was commenting on a thread from yesterday -- so sorry about the late remarks.

42 posted on 11/18/2013 4:29:29 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Carry_Okie

CO, I agree with your assessment of our DOS, but I just don’t see those stations in any way improving on GLONASS accuracy; its already able to thread needles, so to speak.

Perhaps they have another purpose, in the event that GLONASS is KO’d?


43 posted on 11/18/2013 5:50:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Perhaps they have another purpose, in the event that GLONASS is KO’d?

That's my guess.

44 posted on 11/18/2013 5:54:57 PM PST by Carry_Okie ("Single payer" is Medicaid for all; they'll pull the sheet over your head when you're done.)
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To: editor-surveyor

More to the point, if we ever actually believed those sites posed a menace we could wipe them out quick.

What might be harder to catch would be clandestine radio beacons that nobody could tell from a ham radio installation.

Also, GPS might not even be the best way for guiding an ICBM or smartbomb. I don’t want to mention the other ways (who needs to tell their potential enemy how to arm) but anyone with a modicum of imagination could know.


45 posted on 11/18/2013 5:56:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
IMHO, Garmin looks sexier than milspec Glonass/GPS device.
46 posted on 12/01/2013 10:40:04 PM PST by cunning_fish
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