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Fanning: Air Force Having Trouble Keeping Pilots, and Pay Isn’t the Problem
Defense One ^ | 11-14-2013 | Tom Shoop

Posted on 11/16/2013 9:13:16 AM PST by Sequoyah101

The Air Force is offering big bonuses to keep its pilots in the service, but they’re not taking them because budget constraints are forcing the service to limit both current flying hours and opportunities to fly the next generation of aircraft,...

(Excerpt) Read more at defenseone.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 113th; airforce; bhodod; defensespending; fkyinghours; gay; nextgenerationplanes; pilots; usaf
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To: cherry
. . . there's always been gay men in the military....they probably did just as good as heteros....but they kept their private lives private...

now its full scale open....who wants that?....

They have to identify them in order to promote them.

For all those who argue with me on the benefits of "serving openly gay", I ask just one question:

How long do you think I would last in any job if I strutted about declaring that I enjoyed having sex with females in the missionary position at least 2-3 times per week?

It may be true and it may be normal, but it would guarantee only two things:

  1. My employer would find an excuse to terminate me.
  2. The Mrs. would take a frying pan to my head, have me sleeping on the couch or both.

    Note: An affirmative action military promotion is NOT on the above list.

21 posted on 11/16/2013 10:13:28 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Sequoyah101
The country continues to rot from the inside.

"The great oak tree had stood on a hill over the Hudson, in a lonely spot of the Taggart estate. Eddie Willers, aged seven, liked to come and look at that tree. It had stood there for hundreds of years, and he thought it would always stand there. Its roots clutched the hill like a fist with fingers sunk into the soil, and he thought that if a giant were to seize it by the top, he would not be able to uproot it, but would swing the hill and the whole of the earth with it, like a ball at the end of a string. He felt safe in the oak tree’s presence; it was a thing that nothing could change or threaten; it was his greatest symbol of strength.

One night, lightning struck the oak tree. Eddie saw it the next morning. It lay broken in half, and he looked into its trunk as into the mouth of a black tunnel. The trunk was only an empty shell; its heart had rotted away long ago; there was nothing inside – just a thin gray dust that was being dispersed by the whim of the faintest wind. The living power had gone, and the shape it left had not been able to stand without it."
(Atlas Shrugged)

22 posted on 11/16/2013 10:14:11 AM PST by Flick Lives (The U.S. is dead to me.)
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To: M Kehoe

What’s the old joke...

Marine colonel asks a private “what time is it”

Private: 9 o’clock sir!

Colonel: Son this is the Marines! As a Marine the time is 900 hrs. Army is 0:900. Air Force. When Mickeys little hand is on 9 and big hand is on 12! But it is certainly not 9 o’clock!!


23 posted on 11/16/2013 10:22:13 AM PST by saleman
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To: SZonian

spoken like a true f-35 acolyte.

Never presented it as fact. This is an opinion board as well.

Nonetheless... even this article appears to be chock full of FACTS about delays, cost over runs, reduced performance expectations and results, higher life cycle costs etc. Many of the problems are created by DoD (including USAF) procurement practices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

Program nearly doubled in price: Cost is 70% higher than planned.

Years overdue: In 2001 DoD said it would be combat capable in 2010. It is now at least SEVEN years behind schedule.

Marines target for combat ready is now 12/2015
USAF 12/2016
USN 2/2019

This article may be from what some consider a spurious souce but seems pretty factual: http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/fy2012/pdf/dod/2012f35jsf.pdf

It may eventually be a fine aircraft but it is a badly run program and that FACT will not change.


24 posted on 11/16/2013 10:30:21 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Is it a FAILURE? There are problems, but again, is it a FAILURE?

Maybe it’s such a failure that SK is on the verge of purchasing 60 of the aircraft...some failure...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/korea-joint-chiefs-set-back-140332396.html

Pilots, especially fighter jocks are egoists to the max...I really don’t care if there are that many F35’s for them to sit in, they still have aircraft to fly.

They’re probably throwing hissy fits since they weren’t selected as cadre for the training bases, fighter wings etc.


25 posted on 11/16/2013 10:37:07 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Sequoyah101

Some of the technology on the F35 surpasses that of the F22Raptor...which controls the skies and isn’t even sold overseas.

The Raptor has incorporated some F35 technology to make it even more dominant.

As far as cost overruns and delays, this is what happens when you lose your defense industrial base,less competition, less capacity....higher costs and more time to operational.

The same people who moan for less defense spending, were told of these potential problems.

The F35 is being bought by our most trusted allies...to take on Chinese stealth generation aircraft...so apparently, our Asian allies like it.


26 posted on 11/16/2013 10:37:48 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: Sequoyah101

FU...and your “acolyte” ad hominem...delays don’t equal FAILURE.

So go and find the rest of your little lying, exaggerating and outright petulant cabal and enjoy you circle jerk.


27 posted on 11/16/2013 10:38:47 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Sequoyah101

I think the mess that is happening at Shaw AFB right now is another reason. There are things in that TSGT’s story that don’t add up to me.


28 posted on 11/16/2013 10:54:36 AM PST by saminfl
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To: SZonian

ac·o·lyte (k-lt)
n.
1. One who assists the celebrant in the performance of liturgical rites.
2. A devoted follower or attendant.

Oh my, we are a bitter aren’t we? Do you have any more dull knives in your bag of epithets?

Some people are destined to fix things and only a select few are chosen to fly them.


29 posted on 11/16/2013 10:57:40 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Sequoyah101
He is a humiliating insult to the MEN who fly combat airplanes into harms way for a living

What do the female pilots think?

30 posted on 11/16/2013 11:00:14 AM PST by ansel12 ( Democrats-"a party that since antebellum times has been bent on the dishonoring of humanity.)
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To: Sequoyah101

This pick up stakes and leave mentality, will wind up doing to the military just what it did to California.

When are my fellow Conservatives going to learn, that surrendering territory to the Left, is not a gain. It is simply a surrender, and it is the same thing in the long run as painting yourself into a corner.

Man, when to we take a stand and fight back? Lets start retaking territory unless we desire to see the Left’s goals realized.


31 posted on 11/16/2013 12:10:05 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: rbmillerjr

With cost over-runs and engineering failures, and a platform that is overweight and loses LO capability when it carries an operational CAS load-out, yes, in my opinion it is a failed program.

Fixes are on the way, costly, but they are improving the platform.

The tanker replacement program is a “failure,” please explain the facts to back that up, please, as I read no reports saying the -46 is anywhere near late or incapable of the mission.

Thanks.


32 posted on 11/16/2013 2:57:11 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Afterguard

Oh, a little inter-service banter. . .but remember this, the Navy, it’s not just a job. . .it’s a silly job (and one wonders about a flying missions where the highlight is the landing). . .and somehow men that hanker to be trapped aboard a ship, surrounded by 5,000 hot sweaty guys. . .well, Obambi is so proud (”pride” is a big thing in certain quarters).

Cheers.

;-)


33 posted on 11/16/2013 3:00:25 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Sequoyah101

Since obama has been occupying The white House , from what I read, the Armed Forces have been catering to homosexuals. Let them fill the vacancy.


34 posted on 11/16/2013 3:01:09 PM PST by sport
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To: rbmillerjr

“so apparently, our Asian allies like it”

They like it because the F-22 is not for sale internationally.


35 posted on 11/16/2013 3:02:44 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

“Fixes are on the way, costly, but they are improving the platform.”

LOL...only about halfway through the testing phase.


36 posted on 11/16/2013 4:06:44 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: Hulka

I am referring to the procurement fiasco that began, as I recall, with an plan to lease the airplanes in 2002. This was followed by claims of impropriety in the bid process, a protest by Boeing and some assistant sec of the AF being cashiered. The details are murky but the whole of the replacement program has been delayed by this program mismanagement and we hang by a thread for sufficient tankers.

The -46 is a reasonable airplane and should do the job it needs to do to replace the 135 and -10 but it was needed long ago. The failure is that aircraft, much needed years ago, have not yet been supplied.

This excerpt from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KC-X

The current KC-X program follows earlier attempts by the USAF to procure a new tanker. A 2002 plan had the USAF leasing Boeing KC-767 tankers, followed by a 2003 modification where the USAF would buy most of the KC-767 aircraft and lease several more of them. Corruption investigations revealed wrongdoing in the award of the contract and the contract was canceled in 2005, setting the stage for the KC-X program.


37 posted on 11/16/2013 4:32:10 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Hulka

“loses LO capability when it carries an operational CAS load-out”

Look at the entire integrated system. If the F35 is in full external capacity, you don’t need Low Observable. Is the A10 low observable? NO.

The F22 Raptor is the best ever air dominance fighter and will clear the skies. The F35 is for strike and defeating A2/AD threats.

Once we have air dominance and access, both will complete the strike and close air support missions.


38 posted on 11/16/2013 4:47:00 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Ted Cruz...2016-24 ...A New Conservative Era)
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To: Sequoyah101

And, they cannot stand the CinC. Neither can I.


39 posted on 11/16/2013 6:55:42 PM PST by jch10 (Joe Wilson, SC, is my hero.)
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To: jch10

That just about goes without saying. Can’t stand is a way too mild for me.


40 posted on 11/16/2013 7:03:21 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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