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Parents found guilty of murder after SECOND child dies from pneumonia
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| 14 November 2013
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Posted on 11/14/2013 6:25:39 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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WHEN GOD DOESN'T ANSWER: THE CASUALTIES OF FAITH-HEALING It is estimated that around a dozen U.S. children die in faith-healing cases each year, a handful of which spawn criminal charges, according to experts. The First Century Gospel Church of Philadelphias teachings has clashed with authorities in the past. In 1991, eight children died in a measles outbreak. All the parents were members of either First Century Gospel Church or the nearby Faith Tabernacle of Nicetown which also preaches faith-healing. In 2011, Dale and Shannon Hickman of Oregon were sentenced to 75 months in prison after turning to faith healing to say their premature newborn, which was born in a family home, died from complications that could have easily been averted with medical care. Also in Oregon, Jeff and Marci Beagley, were sentenced to 16 months in 2010 for the death of their 16-year-old son. The couple refused to use medicine for their son Neil, who was suffering from a preventable urinary tract blockage. Instead, they prayed and used anointing oils in the hope of divine intervention. 'Too many children have died unnecessarily - a graveyard full,' Judge Steven Maurer said at their sentencing. 'This has to stop.' Oregon has since banned faith healing as a defense against murder charges.
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To: moonshinner_09
sound like a hoax to me. Only a left winger would think a fundamentalist Christian would be stupid enough to simply pray for child to get better without going to the doctor first
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:28:37 PM PST
by
4rcane
To: moonshinner_09
Murder?
Negligent homicide at most.
Just my opinion.
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:30:58 PM PST
by
BenLurkin
(This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
To: 4rcane
It plays to your stereotype too perfectly, which defy common sense, which makes me think its more likely a hoax than not
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:34:33 PM PST
by
4rcane
To: 4rcane
There are actually Christians who believe that if you or someone you care for dies it’s because of a lack of faith. They’re stupid. I have always been told “Pray and go to the doctor”.
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:35:43 PM PST
by
DJ MacWoW
(The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
To: 4rcane
It happens. Here in Oregon there have been both tragic deaths and near misses. What I don’t understand is where these beliefs have come from and for so long. Fifty years ago, there were more such instances. Two children in the Arizona town I came from died unnecessarily some sixty years ago. The charges were manslaughter as I recall. The parents were emotionally devastated but their misguided beliefs brought the tragedy on.
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:37:36 PM PST
by
JimSEA
To: 4rcane
To: 4rcane
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:41:20 PM PST
by
jazusamo
([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
To: DJ MacWoW
The are the “God will provide” bunch, which, I beleive, can happen on occasion (The Lord Moves in Mysterious ways).
However, the best thing I have ever heard a Clergyman tell me was:
“Faith moves mountains, bring a shovel”.
I’ve always remembered that.
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:41:42 PM PST
by
GrouchoTex
(...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
To: moonshinner_09
Did it ever occur to them that taking the child to a doctor might be God’s answer?
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:45:16 PM PST
by
Blood of Tyrants
(From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
To: DJ MacWoW
There are actually Christians who believe that if you or someone you care for dies its because of a lack of faith. Theyre stupid. I have always been told Pray and go to the doctor. Are they the ones who will say he/she is now in a better place, yet they grieve?
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:50:33 PM PST
by
luvbach1
(We are finished.)
To: Blood of Tyrants
Nope, they’re bat poop crazy.
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:51:45 PM PST
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EEGator
To: JimSEA
Isn’t that, in essence, Mary Baker Eddy’s Christian Science?
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:51:58 PM PST
by
luvbach1
(We are finished.)
To: GrouchoTex
Absolutely. God uses situations too. You never know who will be blessed, maybe a doctor, someone that you meet in a hospital or doctors office. God can use anything but you have to be willing. Healing is not an "either prayer OR a doctor". It's both. God may want to bless the doctor by using you.
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:53:50 PM PST
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DJ MacWoW
(The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
To: luvbach1
Believers grieve because when someone dies they leave an empty place in your life. We know they are in perfect Heaven but we’re still here.
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:55:26 PM PST
by
DJ MacWoW
(The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:55:43 PM PST
by
RedMDer
(Happy with this, America? Make your voices heard. 2014 is just around the corner. ~ Sarah Palin)
To: luvbach1
It was in fact, in Superior, AZ at least.
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:57:09 PM PST
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JimSEA
To: DJ MacWoW
That was a good answer in your post #15.
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:58:42 PM PST
by
luvbach1
(We are finished.)
To: JimSEA
“I dont understand is where these beliefs have come from”
Until the use of antibiotics there wasn’t much difference in results between prayer and a doctor for treating diseases.
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posted on
11/14/2013 6:59:48 PM PST
by
mrsmith
(Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
To: luvbach1
Thank you. I pay attention at our church group. That made sense. We also discussed that death is not natural. Man was never meant to die.
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posted on
11/14/2013 7:06:02 PM PST
by
DJ MacWoW
(The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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