Posted on 11/11/2013 9:04:33 AM PST by SJackson
You bet. And they still refer to Hitler as “right wing”...
Is this a trick question?
On that last, see the Hayek quote on my profile page. It’s the third one, two paragraphs.
Quit battering the title.
Just so. Mussolini was a member of the Communist Party before he became a Fascist and one of Hitler’s models.
“..And they still refer to Hitler as “right wing”......”
Of course they do. They count on people being ignorant and not doing some basic research. And young boneheaded college kids, after having been taught revisionist history for 12 years prior to college, have zero clue - because basically, they don’t give a sh*t about it. They care about getting laid, getting stoned, and getting out of college with a degree that’ll start them at 80K a year somewhere.
Adolf was diehard socialist through and through.
Socialist is even in name, NAZI!! National Socialist German Workers’ (<...left wing code word) Party. Examine the history of the the party and of the Italian Fascists. Clearly from the left, both of them. Hitler may of been in the right wing OF the Nazi party, as there were others more devoted to left wing economics while he was focused on killing people and conquering the world.
It’s not the same thing as communism but it’s clearly and explicitly anti-capitalist and very similar to the “third way” polices of today’s corporate democrats and euro-socialists.
They’ll tell you his “authoritarianism” is what makes him “right wing” rather than economics, I guess Stalin is “right wing” as well then. Aside from a few slight differences and different mustaches they are the same damn guy.
Muslims specialize in hypocrisy.
Mohammed Atta and friends were downing vodka in strip clubs in the weeks prior to 9/11.
A very interesting question to ponder.
“..It’s not the same thing as communism but it’s clearly and explicitly anti-capitalist and very similar to the “third way” polices of today’s corporate democrats and euro-socialists....”
Socialism is a stage on the road to communism. Always has been, always will be.
It’s not a stopping point; it’s a stepping stone.
The National Socialist German Worker's party began as an non-Marxist socialist movement, combining left-wing economics with right-wing nationalism (in contrast to Marxist socialism which was internationalist).
When Hitler came to power, he needed the support of bankers, industrialists, as well as the Prussian aristocracy / army officer classes, so he purged the economic socialists from his party (Roehm, Strasser, etc) and cemented its identity as a right-wing movement.
“They count on people being ignorant and not doing some basic research.”
You bet.
“Aside from a few slight differences and different mustaches they are the same damn guy.”
Amen. I refer to them as “both sides of the same coin”.
Like I said I wouldn’t say fascism is the same thing as or a stop on the way to communism but it is not capitalist, it’s a kind of socialism. AFAIK any kind of economic oppression = left wing, period. Other issues, irrelevant, left-right is economic. Fascism uses corporations as tools of the government rather than abolishing them or nationalizing them like communism. Obamacare is very fascist.
Given that the “socialism in one country” philosophy is what won out in the Soviet Union I wouldn’t say they were anti-nationalist either, Trotsky was the internationalist, he got capped . So all in all precious little difference between Hitler and Stalin, silly to call one left and the other right.
Completely understand.
The left-right paradigm is what the libs use to distract, obfuscate, and draw attention away from what they’re actually doing - iow, all the things they accuse others of, they themselves are actually perpetrating.
“...Aside from a few slight differences and different mustaches they are the same damn guy....”
And the hair. Uncle Joe had that whole Brylcream “A Little Dab’l Do Ya” thing going on, with the hipster swoop and tuck action...
With hair like that he could.... rule the world....
I hear Mrs Stalin had an even BIGGER mustache under the babushka... But that’s just a Menshevik rumor....
Speaking of Mrs. Stalin, he possibly murdered wife #2.
Wife #1 died of typhus and he remarked at her funeral “This creature softened my heart of stone. She died and with her died my last warm feelings for humanity.”.
“So all in all precious little difference between Hitler and Stalin, silly to call one left and the other right.”
Exactly! But certain factors will always downplay that truth.
‘The left-right paradigm is what the libs use to distract, obfuscate, and draw attention away from what they’re actually doing - iow, all the things they accuse others of, they themselves are actually perpetrating.”
You bet; they specialize in “projecting”. And then they call their opponents out for the behaviors THEY undertake. When you have a complicit media, it works pretty well, huh?
“I hear Mrs Stalin had an even BIGGER mustache under the babushka... But that’s just a Menshevik rumor....”
No shaving down there I suspect.
“Speaking of Mrs. Stalin, he possibly murdered wife #2.”
I’d move that level of probability from “possibly” to “OJ”.
By this logic, mercantilism and absolute monarchy are "left wing" ideologies, which makes absolutely no sense. There are both left and rightwing alternatives to laissez-faire capitalism. In fact, during the French Revolution (where the terms Left and Right had their origin), the liberal Left advocated Anglo-American laissez-faire, the monarchist right wing advocated mercantilism.
Fascism and Nazism represent reactionary alternatives to capitalism and Republican government, Socialism and Communism are radical (left wing) alternatives to republican government and capitalism. Moreover, economics is secondary to fascist ideology - both Hitler and Mussolini were happy to support pro-business policies (busting labor unions) and pro-labor policies (wage and price controls) when convenient. Trying to frame these ideological differences in terms of the debates taking place today in the United States is foolish.
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