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We’re In The Most Dangerous Moment Since the Cuban Missile Crisis
Zero Hedge ^ | 8 Novemeber, 2013 | George Washington

Posted on 11/08/2013 1:57:13 PM PST by Errant

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To: 2banana

Agreed.


21 posted on 11/08/2013 2:59:21 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Errant
Suzuki says that he’s seen a paper that says that if – in fact – the 4th reactor comes down, “it’s bye bye Japan, and everyone on the West Coast of North America should evacuate. Now if that’s not terrifying, I don’t know what is.”

Oh' please....stop the fear mongering...

When Chernobyl melted down... did they evacuate all of Europe...

22 posted on 11/08/2013 3:04:29 PM PST by Popman
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To: Ronald_Magnus
Yakuza, the Japanese Mafia, was hired to subcontract the labor supply. Gangsters hired to remove fuel rods. What could go wrong?

Sounds like a suicide mission. One false move; one dropped rod; and these crews are goners...

23 posted on 11/08/2013 3:08:40 PM PST by Errant
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To: Popman
We're all going to die!
24 posted on 11/08/2013 3:09:59 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Errant

“Award-winning scientist David Suzuki says that Fukushima is terrifying, Tepco and the Japanese government are lying through their teeth, and Fukushima is “the most terrifying situation I can imagine”.”

Environmentalist fear mongering nut job.


25 posted on 11/08/2013 3:15:54 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Popman
When Chernobyl melted down... did they evacuate all of Europe...

Chernobyl didn't have nearly the amount of fissionable material that exists at Fukushima. The size of any area of evacuation will depend on the amount of material released and direction of the wind.

26 posted on 11/08/2013 3:29:58 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant
Chernobyl didn't have nearly the amount of fissionable material that exists at Fukushima

I know...Fukushima is a much large "potential" problem than Chernobyl

Japan is 5,500 miles from California....I seriously doubt enough radiation will blow across in high enough concentrations to warrant an west coast evacuation...

But buy stock in iodine pills../S

27 posted on 11/08/2013 3:35:48 PM PST by Popman
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To: 2banana; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
Re: Somehow doesn’t quite equate to 1000 Soviet ICBM’s ready to launch because a president just enforced a embargo...

While I agree with your sentiment on this silly comparison, you are way off on your number of Soviet ICBMs--

While a nuclear war in the Fall of 1962 would have been a catastrophe, especially to me and my family living in Houston, Texas, at the time. It would have not been a world ending event as Khrushchev had nowhere near 1,000 nuclear tipped rockets able to reach the US from Mother Russia. The correct number has been reported as from none to less than two dozen on operational status, ready to launch in that 1962 time frame.

Those intermediate-range ballistic missiles (IRBMs) in Cuba and the few Soviet sub IRBMs available could have given us a hard knock in the opening attack, but not one that would have destroyed us completely. Far from it, the counterattack by US ICBMs, Polaris Missiles from US subs, our IRBMs in the Western Europe/Turkey area and our massive B-52 SAC strike force would have leveled the Soviet Union's capacity to wage war within 48 hours.

Kennedy knew this and so did those in the Kremlin. That is why it eventually went our way. In the bottom line results, we has the stronger military/nuclear strike position and there were sane people at the top of both governments those days--

And THAT is not something we cannot say today--

28 posted on 11/08/2013 3:47:12 PM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Popman
I seriously doubt enough radiation will blow across in high enough concentrations to warrant an west coast evacuation...

Hope you're right and also that these rods are safely removed. If they go up, the radiation will be emitted for years. While the concentration initially might not be that bad for the western US, over time radiation will accumulate across the entire US and could build to unsafe levels.

Iodine pills are useless for old farts like us. Save 'em for your grandkids if these pools go up, and then they can only be safely used for a week or two. After that, I don't know what can be done to keep the thyroids of the young saturated with iodine.

Another issue would be our food supply over time. Maybe we can import most from the southern hemisphere after long term supplies are exhausted. But I guess this all comes under "fear mongering" and not "what if"...

29 posted on 11/08/2013 3:59:01 PM PST by Errant
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To: Bender2
"...we has the stronger military..." and "And THAT is not something we cannot say today--"

Ya might wanna proofread before ya post.

30 posted on 11/08/2013 4:04:42 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: Errant
Chernobyl didn't have nearly the amount of fissionable material that exists at Fukushima.

Fissionable material is of no concern. It takes high energy neutrons to induce fission in fissionable material, and you could probably count on one finger the fast neutron flux present in a SFP. Thermal neutron fission is induced in fissile nuclei.

31 posted on 11/08/2013 4:05:12 PM PST by chimera
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To: Popman

Too bad the Fukushima planners didn’t consider “what if” we get a monster tsunami. If they had, maybe I could still find Alaskan salmon instead of only the Atlantic farm-raised stuff on local grocery shelves. The planners probably figured consideration of monster tsunamis would get them fired or at least snickered at as being fear mongers.


32 posted on 11/08/2013 4:13:40 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

All this because some stupid engineers didn’t place the emergency generators on high ground, allowing for a controlled shutdown.

Same story in NOLA, as Katrina flooded out the generators needed to power the emergency pumps


33 posted on 11/08/2013 4:15:49 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Errant

All this because some stupid engineers didn’t place the emergency generators on high ground, allowing for a controlled shutdown.

Same story in NOLA, as Katrina flooded out the generators needed to power the emergency pumps


34 posted on 11/08/2013 4:15:59 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: chimera
Fissionable material is of no concern.

LOL! That's what I was trying to get across to someone on another thread about thorium reactors.

35 posted on 11/08/2013 4:19:27 PM PST by Errant
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To: Popman
...everyone on the West Coast of North America should evacuate.

SHHHH!!!! Stop that!!! We've got too many f***ers from LA headed this way as it is!!!

36 posted on 11/08/2013 4:19:31 PM PST by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Bender2
Kennedy knew this and so did those in the Kremlin. That is why it eventually went our way.

One could argue the Soviets won.

We did pull our missiles from Turkey.

37 posted on 11/08/2013 4:19:49 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Noob1999
Same story in NOLA, as Katrina flooded out the generators needed to power the emergency pumps

Yep, very familiar with that, and some other issues. I wrote an app to track some of the FEMA funding of the response outside NOLA proper, and had the honor to meet some of the folks in charge and hear a few stories of what went down.

38 posted on 11/08/2013 4:27:13 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

They did plan for a 6 meter monster tsunami. They built a 10 meter tall sea wall. Then they got a ginormous über-monster 13 meter wave, far bigger than their largest “realistic” estimate of what could happen.


39 posted on 11/08/2013 4:30:33 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

In hindsight, even worse than miscalculating the size of a possible tsunami, was the placing of reactors in such close proximity to one another where a strong release of radiation by one could contaminate the entire site. Then it’s only a matter of time before others start to go due their operating personnel being driven away by the radiation.


40 posted on 11/08/2013 4:41:24 PM PST by Errant
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