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Saudi Arabia 'plans to buy German submarines'
dpa, Reuters, AFP ^ | 03.11.2013

Posted on 11/03/2013 11:40:37 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Saudi Arabia 'plans to buy German submarines'

A German newspaper has reported that Saudi Arabia plans to buy submarines from Germany. The news could intensify discussion on weapons exports during the current coalition negotiations in Berlin.

The German weekly Bild am Sonntag said on Sunday that Saudi Arabia wanted to purchase five German Type 209 submarines for 12 billion euros ($16.5 billion). The paper said that in the long term, the kingdom was interested in buying altogether 25 of the vessels.

The newspaper said it had information that the German chancellery had in the summer already signaled a willingness to examine such requests from Saudi Arabia "favorably" as soon as a new government was in place.

The submarines would be constructed by the Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW) and the Nordseewerke Emden, both shipbuilding companies located in the north of Germany, according to the report.

Disputed issue

The report could fuel controversy during coalition negotiations between Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative CDU/CSU bloc and the Social Democrats, as weapons exports to crisis regions are a disputed issue between the parties.

The Social Democrats would like to see stricter regulations, while the conservatives consider thepresent rules on exports to be adequate. Currently, the Federal Security Council, made up of the chancellor and eight ministers, has to approve any arms export.

Some lawmakers in Germany see Saudi Arabia as an inappropriate recipient for arms, saying that human rights are not sufficiently respected in the kingdom. Saudi Arabia also sent tanks and troops to help put down recent protests in Bahrain in 2011

(Excerpt) Read more at dw.de ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; saudiarabia; ssk; submarine

1 posted on 11/03/2013 11:40:37 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Germany’s ThyssenKrupp denies report on submarine sales to Saudi Arabia

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/03/uk-thyssenkrupp-submarines-idUKBRE9A209520131103


2 posted on 11/03/2013 11:41:15 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If it happens, I wonder if they’ll be skippered and crewed by Germans or Saudis?
More interestingly, I wonder what they want them for?


3 posted on 11/03/2013 11:44:15 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Business tip.


4 posted on 11/03/2013 11:44:24 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Little Ray

Germans do build good U-Boats. But what does the arabs plan to use them for?


5 posted on 11/03/2013 11:50:27 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Having lived in that sh*thole, I can tell you that the Saudis don’t do anything on their own, they hire foreign labor. Who, then, will command their subs?


6 posted on 11/03/2013 11:52:38 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They should just borrow Obamatollah’s magic carpet.


7 posted on 11/03/2013 11:54:02 AM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: LyinLibs

They should just borrow Obamatollah’s magic carpet. And Scotchguard it.


8 posted on 11/03/2013 11:55:18 AM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Little Ray

What worries me is who will our subs be skippered and crewed by? Queers, faggots and lesbians who are all socialist commies? America is falling faster than a toilet flush in a 100 story apartment building.


9 posted on 11/03/2013 11:57:52 AM PST by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- <<http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Underwater Desert Foxes...the Arab type...I'm sure nothing could go wrong with this plan...Why do I feel that something has gone terribly wrong with US national security?

10 posted on 11/03/2013 11:58:12 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: Little Ray

“More interestingly, I wonder what they want them for?”

Once Iran goes nuclear Saudi Arabia will need mutual assured destruction. They also need plausible deniability. They have probably already bought old Soviet nukes and cruise missiles. The Soviets did not serialize their nukes and can’t even tell you how many they made. So, they’re out there. I’ve read we started buying them off the black market back in the Clinton days. Did we get them all? Probably not.

The Arabs will use nuclear weapons on each other long before they use them against Israel. They’re truly scared of each other. The Israelis? Not so much.


11 posted on 11/03/2013 11:58:51 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: BCW

It all sounds like some bad movie.


12 posted on 11/03/2013 12:02:32 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I walked into a bad movie in 2009...I can’t find the door to leave!


13 posted on 11/03/2013 12:04:01 PM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

They will become artificial reefs under Saudi Command.


14 posted on 11/03/2013 12:04:42 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Soviet suitcase nukes were on sale in 1990.

TRUE suitcase nukes, in a large attache case.


15 posted on 11/03/2013 12:08:18 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I wouldn't want to ride one of those subs - ins'allah-based maintenance doesn't work particularly well at 200 meters.
16 posted on 11/03/2013 12:08:33 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Hardraade

“Soviet suitcase nukes were on sale in 1990. TRUE suitcase nukes, in a large attaché case.”

General Lebed, who was in charge of the Russian nuclear bomb program said (when he ran for Putin’s job), “We manufactured 100 suitcase nukes for the KGB. When the Soviet Union fell I went to them to get them back and they said, ‘we don’t have any nukes.’” The KGB fractured into numerous Mafia operations. So, those nukes are probably for sale. The astonishing thing is, they haven’t been used yet.

Give a 100 year window, it’s impossible that a nuclear weapon will not be detonated in a city.


17 posted on 11/03/2013 12:13:10 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: sukhoi-30mki

With their money I think I would go for those spiffy, undetectable ones the Swiss are making.


18 posted on 11/03/2013 12:21:05 PM PST by Captain7seas
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To: Gen.Blather

So these are different from the 40 known “suitcase” nukes we know are out there, and which ere basically demolition nukes and more “man-portable” than suitcases.

The upside is that all of them required a very rigid maintenance regime, and many of them would probably be dead withouth extensive and competent refurbishing by now.


19 posted on 11/03/2013 12:28:19 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Krupp. Read a book about the family, interesting history.


20 posted on 11/03/2013 12:34:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Hardraade

“So these are different from the 40 known “suitcase” nukes we know are out there, and which ere basically demolition nukes and more “man-portable” than suitcases. The upside is that all of them required a very rigid maintenance regime, and many of them would probably be dead without extensive and competent refurbishing by now.”

I don’t know about the 40. I’m going on General Lebed’s statement. But as far as maintenance, I don’t think so. Nuclear weapons are pretty much maintenance free. You’re probably thinking about the battery issue with older MANPADS or shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles. The Soviet type went dead after a year or so and required refurbishment. The American type required battery replacement.

We tried to buy back the ones Reagan gave to Afghanistan’s fighters. They were 1 million apiece. But most had failed. Men carried them as they were penis symbols. No word on all the ones Hillary Clinton sent to Libya over the CIA’s objections because she wanted to unseat Kaddafi on the cheap.


21 posted on 11/03/2013 12:38:15 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: BCW

Me too friend, me too.


22 posted on 11/03/2013 12:41:01 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Gen.Blather

These are devices that Ion Hobana knew about being stolen. The maintenance pertained to timer/detonator issues.


23 posted on 11/03/2013 12:43:48 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Hardraade

“The maintenance pertained to timer/detonator issues.”

You can pull the timer out of anything and replace it with a button. That’s true of any nuke. There are plenty of Muslims willing to press the button.


24 posted on 11/03/2013 12:47:57 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Germany also sells Israel nuke subs.


25 posted on 11/03/2013 12:52:37 PM PST by Signalman
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To: BCW

Skeet Surfin’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_19nxNfjs


26 posted on 11/03/2013 12:54:20 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

“Germans do build good U-Boats. But what does the arabs plan to use them for?”

Iran has subs, so the Saudi’s want them. It is a deterrent against Iran primarily. Also, it poses a lesser threat to Israel.


27 posted on 11/03/2013 12:54:56 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Gen.Blather

Not quite that issue.

Let me see if I remember this thing.

To implode the pit (and these ere not “gun-barrel” devices, being miniaturized and all) you need a very precisely timed detonation sequence. This is being done with a clock crystal/computer. Over time, and with radiation, the crystal deteriorates and has to be replaced. The smaller the device, the more hairfine the timer.


28 posted on 11/03/2013 1:01:53 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Signalman
Germany also sells Israel nuke subs.

No, the Germans don't make nuclear powered subs - they make some nice DE boats, some with AIP.

And since Germany doesn't have nuclear weapons, you can't mean nuclear armed subs.

What weapons the Israelis may put in them is solely up to the purchaser.

29 posted on 11/03/2013 1:06:22 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

The Germans have sold the Israelis Dolphin subs (5, I think), and some of them can carry nuclear armed Popeye missiles.

Europe, Norway in particular, have been protesting hysterically.


30 posted on 11/03/2013 1:15:02 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Gen.Blather

I also recall that Lebed died in a helo “accident” six years after he ran for Russian President.


31 posted on 11/03/2013 1:17:13 PM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: jttpwalsh

“I also recall that Lebed died in a helo “accident” six years after he ran for Russian President.”

Putin’s wife, Lyudmila disappeared when he started dating a supermodel. Anybody who wrote a critical article died. Anybody who’s a danger to Putin is as good as dead.


32 posted on 11/03/2013 1:18:52 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather
The Arabs will use nuclear weapons on each other long before they use them against Israel. They’re truly scared of each other. The Israelis? Not so much.

Good analysis. Despite the rhetoric about Israel, they need Israel as a whipping boy to distract their muslim populace to focus anger on an enemy. They will attack Israel in lesser ways, but not totally wipe out Israel. What they want, is to subjugate Jews under their control. Can't do that by nuking them.

33 posted on 11/03/2013 1:20:27 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Gen.Blather
"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and
my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe;
and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel."
-- Leon Uris, "The Haj"
34 posted on 11/03/2013 1:21:41 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: EEGator
Skeet Surfin’
That's pretty neat, how did I miss that? 8-)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_19nxNfjs

35 posted on 11/03/2013 1:29:04 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Easily my favorite skeet surfin’ music video. :)


36 posted on 11/03/2013 1:42:04 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Gen.Blather

Thanks for your reply. I also saw a story today that one of the “P Riot” girls has “disappeared” in prison. She was one of the band members that Putin had incarcerated, a few months back. I didn’t get a chance to analyze the story, but it certainly would support your statement !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24786119


37 posted on 11/03/2013 1:46:02 PM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: jttpwalsh

From what I’ve read about Russian prisons she’s either been sold to somebody or she’s dead. In any case, there’s nobody required to account for her. It must be similar to Saudi prisons where they aren’t even required to tell anybody you’re there.


38 posted on 11/03/2013 1:58:06 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

Sounds about right; no life insurance salesman will be knocking on her family’s door !


39 posted on 11/03/2013 2:04:05 PM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: Hardraade

You could probably launch a Popeye from a fishing trawler. Would you call such a trawler a nuclear ship?


40 posted on 11/03/2013 2:42:13 PM PST by PAR35
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To: jttpwalsh
Thanks for your reply. I also saw a story today that one of the “P Riot” girls has “disappeared” in prison.

She was complaining about her prison accommodations, so the Russians addressed her concerns. No further complaints have been heard, so she must be happy now.

41 posted on 11/03/2013 2:44:35 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

I hope we shall all be happy, in the next life ;) Thanks !


42 posted on 11/03/2013 2:53:31 PM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: PAR35

Special dimensioned torpedo tube, if I remember. To launch submerged.


43 posted on 11/03/2013 4:29:26 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: Gen.Blather

That is ‘cause, if they stop shooting at Israelis, the Israelis stop shooting back.
But you can never trust another Moslem or Arab.


44 posted on 11/03/2013 6:07:41 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: EEGator

Good ole Nick Rivers...of course that was a movie...we, my friend, are actually living it...excuse me, I have to meet someone on the street selling novelties that has intel...


45 posted on 11/04/2013 1:33:00 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: BCW

“Souvenirs, novelties, party tricks. Souvenirs, novelties, party tricks.”


46 posted on 11/04/2013 6:15:33 AM PST by EEGator
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