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Guns & Ammo Supports Gun Control
The Truth About Guns.com ^ | 11/2/2013 | Robert Farago

Posted on 11/03/2013 5:56:29 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama

Click here to download a pdf of Guns & Ammo‘s column Let’s Talk Limits. Technical Editor Dick Metcalf [above] penned the editorial for the December issue. Metcalf, a writer whose technical knowledge (or lack thereof) has earned him brickbats before, bases his editorial on a distinction between “infringement” and “regulation.” “I bring this up,” Metcalf writes, “because way too many gun owners still believe that any regulation of the right to keep and bear arms is an infringement. The fact is that all Constitutional rights are regulated, always have been, and need to be.” That, dear reader, is a major WTF moment. One of many . . .

Metcalf’s dietribe [sic] turns to the antis’ favorite justification for infringing on our natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms: you “Can’t yell ‘FIRE!’ in a crowded theater.” Yes. Yes you can. It’s just that you’re legally responsible for what happens next. And what happens next in Metcalf’s editorial is bizarre—especially for an article that appears in a gun magazine:

Many argue that any regulation at all is, by definition, an infringement. If that were true, then the authors of the Second Amendment themselves, should not have specified “well-regulated.”

You’re kidding, right? Metcalf doesn’t know that “well-regulated” is “referring to the property of something being in proper working order“? That it has nothing to do with government regulation? No way!

Way. Sure Metcalf’s bone-headed, uninformed, patently obvious misinterpretation of the Second Amendment’s introductory clause isn’t as bad as the antis’ assertion that the 2A only applies to Americans in a militia, but it’s the next worst thing. Coming from a gun guy, a man who trumpets the fact that he co-wrote The Firearm Owners Protection Act and taught college seminars on Constitutional law, well, I’m speechless.

Too bad Metcalf isn’t. Once again, he turns to the antis’ well-worn fundamentally flawed pro-regulation arguments to advocate gun control. He deploys ye olde auto analogy to defend state-issued carry permits against readers who believe that Second Amendment is the only authority they need to bear arms.

I wondered whether those same people believed that just anybody should be able to buy a vehicle and take it out on public roadways without any kind of driver’s training, test or license.

I understand that driving a car is not a right protected by the Constitution, but to me the basic principle is the same. I firmly believe that all U.S. citizens have the right to bear arms, but . . .

I’m going to stop there. Anyone who says “I believe in the Second Amendment but–” does not believe in the Second Amendment. They are not friends, they are not frenemies, they are enemies of The People of the Gun.

More than that, whether or not these nominal gun rights supporters (e.g., President Obama, Senator Charles Schumer) “believe” in the Second Amendment is irrelevant. As stated above, the right to keep and bear arms is a natural right, stemming from our natural right of self-defense. It doesn’t require belief, faith or political justification.

Equally, the right to keep and bear arms is a civil right. Wikipedia defines the term thusly:

Civil and political rights are a class of rights that protect individuals’ freedom from unwarranted infringement by governments and private organizations, and ensure one’s ability to participate in the civil and political life of the state without discrimination or repression.

Civil rights include the ensuring of peoples’ physical and mental integrity, life and safety; protection from discrimination on grounds such as race, gender, national origin, color, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, or disability; and individual rights such as privacy, the freedoms of thought and conscience, speech and expression, religion, the press, assembly and movement.

I have a major issue with the word “unwarranted” (wikipedia won’t let me delete it). But the point is made: Americans have a civil right to keep and bear arms guaranteed by . . . wait for it . . . the Constitution. Specifically, the Second Amendment. This despite the fact that . . .

Civil and political rights need not be codified to be protected, although most democracies worldwide do have formal written guarantees of civil and political rights. Civil rights are considered to be natural rights. Thomas Jefferson wrote in his A Summary View of the Rights of British America that “a free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.”

So civil means natural, and natural means inviolable. Except by people who support their violation. People like Dick Metcalf, who ends his pro-gun control polemic by asserting that Illinois’ new carry law—mandating that citizens must complete 16 hours of training to “earn” the right to bear arms— is not “infringement in and of itself.”

“But that’s just me . . .” Metcalf closes. Yes it is. And I believe that anyone who supports a gun magazine that prints this kind of anti-gun agitprop is supporting the diminution and destruction of our gun rights. Or is that just me? [h/t b0b]


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1 posted on 11/03/2013 5:56:29 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama
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To: 2nd amendment mama; SkyPilot; Las Vegas Ron; Qbert; rodguy911; Yehuda; Clintonfatigued; ...

Worth watching:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/9RABZq5IoaQ?feature=player_embedded


2 posted on 11/03/2013 5:58:36 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: basil

Ping!


3 posted on 11/03/2013 5:58:50 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Up for renewal, won’t be renewing my subscription.


4 posted on 11/03/2013 5:59:33 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ExTexasRedhead

That’s a great video! I’ve known Niger Innis for about 15 years and he’s a great 2nd Amendment supporter!


5 posted on 11/03/2013 6:01:11 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I quite buying those kinds of magazines years ago. They are nothing more than a gun maker paid advertisement.

I don’t know how many articles I’ve seen on the Keltec KSG only to find out you cannot buy the damned thing ANYWHERE! The same goes for their PMR-30. VAPORWARE in my book, and a lot of these gun mags get paid to support it.

That said, the writer is a fool who has given up on asserting his rights and finds it much easier to go-along/get-along and appease the gun grabber nuts with his misinterpretation. There is no part of “....shall not be infringed” that can be interpreted as being subject to regulation.


6 posted on 11/03/2013 6:01:56 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Cancel your subscription to Guns & Ammo!

I dint subscribe but I will add it to the list of liberal media prostitutes.


7 posted on 11/03/2013 6:04:35 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Was thinking of subscribing; that now is a settled issue.

Also, no Web hits. Their ad dollars are also derived from Web hits. Don’t feed the digital beast, either.


8 posted on 11/03/2013 6:04:38 AM PST by Old Sarge (And Good Evening, Agent Smith, wherever you are...)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

If I had one, I would certainly cancel my subscription to Guns and Ammo.


9 posted on 11/03/2013 6:05:21 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

You’re right that video is very encouraging. See Post #2 for video.


10 posted on 11/03/2013 6:05:58 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: yarddog

FYI ping. What you were talking about on another thread.


11 posted on 11/03/2013 6:08:39 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: PoloSec

this is reminiscent of that car magazine giving the auto-exploding Volt top honors when nobody wants it, nobody buys it and it catches fire.


12 posted on 11/03/2013 6:09:57 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Jane Long

Yes, my subscription runs until July 2015. I am going to cancel and hopefully get a refund.


13 posted on 11/03/2013 6:12:27 AM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

You had to know the powers-that-be would infiltrate organizations. Look for more of this, not less.


14 posted on 11/03/2013 6:13:45 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
From Metcalf's bio:

He has been a contributor to Shooting Times magazine for more than thirty years and today serves as the Technical Editor for InterMedia Outdoors. Dick is a veteran of the U.S. Army and a former faculty member of the history departments at Yale and Cornell Universities.

15 posted on 11/03/2013 6:14:03 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

[ well-regulated ] - studying how people used words and their definition is the first thing he should have researched...

Even as a kid, I knew that meant - organized, trained, armed, supplied, and ready to fight...not held up at the capitol waiting for regulations and govt. oversight to determine how the militia was going to do their job...

maybe my elementary grade teacher who explained the US Constitution to the 3rd was uncommon - or she took her job seriously to educate her kids and explained all this stuff to us...at a time where we thought this was just commonplace and it would never have to be defended...geez...what an idiot...and it’s been published!


16 posted on 11/03/2013 6:14:44 AM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I can buy any kind of motor vehicle from anybody and drive it anywhere and at any time I care to on my own property.


17 posted on 11/03/2013 6:15:09 AM PST by CPOSharky (Expect less, pay more (With apologies to Target))
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To: yarddog

Just confirmed w/hubby that we DON’T subscribe...and we WON’T be, either!


18 posted on 11/03/2013 6:15:16 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Apparently this guy didn’t learn from Zumbo over at Outdoor Life.


19 posted on 11/03/2013 6:15:31 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Just sent it viral through the Second Amendment Sisters Facebook page and will post it to the front page of our website when I get back from church!


20 posted on 11/03/2013 6:17:12 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
“Well regulated” Well Dick Metcalf the pResident is in the process of regulating your 1st amendment existence.

Wow much did you get to write this Dick Metcalf? What was your price?

21 posted on 11/03/2013 6:20:23 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Jane Long

“former faculty member of the history departments at Yale and Cornell Universities.” .........Need we know ANYTHING else?


22 posted on 11/03/2013 6:24:49 AM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: usconservative
Up for renewal, won’t be renewing my subscription.

I thought it was a sucky rag mag a few years ago. I got upset about their postulation, presumption and precocious position about the price and availability of ammunition. I think my last straw was something about (stamping I think) federal laws requiring manufacturers to have each gun leave a unique stamped impression on the primer/casing that it fires? They thought this was brilliant! I used to get the magazine through my kids school fund raising campaign.

I already quit them.

Disclaimer - I'm 87% sure it was Guns and Ammo.

23 posted on 11/03/2013 6:25:16 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Waiting for next tagline.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Monday morning will be sending a gold painted brick to Guns and Ammo. I would hope they get a few thousand bricks so they can see the wall between us and them.


24 posted on 11/03/2013 6:25:22 AM PST by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

This just brings a whole new meaning to “Shoot Yourself In The Foot”.

...dumber than a pile of wet rocks.


25 posted on 11/03/2013 6:26:17 AM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet (For why should my Freedom be judged by anothers conscience? 1 Cor 10:29)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

“You can’t yell FIRE! in a theater.”
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What if there is a fire?


26 posted on 11/03/2013 6:28:32 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Gaffer

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=kel-tec+ksg

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=kel-tec+PMR-30


27 posted on 11/03/2013 6:32:26 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Any regulation infringes on whatever it seeks to control. By definition, and by example of our existing myriad of “gun control laws”

Note that the Founder of our Republic knew this very well, and this is why they expressly provided that our right to bear arms “....SHALL NOT be infringed.” No broader, more protective language is possible.


28 posted on 11/03/2013 6:33:33 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I did not renew my scripts for Guns and Ammo and Shooting Times....this I knew many months ago....

Robert E. Petersen must be doing right hand twist 360s in his grave...

Obama donor Leo Hindery Jr. is buying up pro-gun media outlets to gut and destroy them - See more at:

http://1389blog.com/2013/03/02/obama-donor-leo-hindery-jr-is-buying-up-pro-gun-media-outlets-to-gut-and-destroy-them/#sthash.GclctssL.dpuf


29 posted on 11/03/2013 6:37:26 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

And you can carry the word fire with you all the time until needed.


30 posted on 11/03/2013 6:39:11 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: ExTexasRedhead

31 posted on 11/03/2013 6:40:18 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Excellent find. We simply create new magazines, then.


32 posted on 11/03/2013 6:40:32 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Gaffer

I only buy those magazines that have articles by Massad Ayoob; I do like his information about self defense.

As for your VAPORWARE comment..LOL How true. It took us 3 years to find one PMR-30, and got that only because I walked in right behind the UPS guy. The only other ones we have seen have been at gun shows for about $750. Sorry, while a nice pistol, it ain’t that damn good!!!


33 posted on 11/03/2013 6:41:11 AM PST by rustyboots
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To: 2nd amendment mama
Not sure if he's JUST stupid or if maybe someone got to him. Could there be something Mr. Metcalf doesn't want known, or has someone maybe slipped him a couple of bucks to write an editorial in support of gun control in a gun magazine?

Evidence on the internet suggests that he may be corruptible. In 2008, 5 year ago, www.thehighroad.org has a post that begins "Can this guy be trusted for legitimate reviews on Taurus firearms or is he is a shill for the compnay?" (sic)

one wonders if he may now be a shill for someone else - and what's in it for him.

34 posted on 11/03/2013 6:43:10 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
“You can’t yell FIRE! in a theater.” - What if there is a fire?

Yell out Conflagration! instead.

35 posted on 11/03/2013 6:43:15 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I support gun control, for the F***ing Feds.


36 posted on 11/03/2013 6:43:44 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: Lazamataz

this had a life here at FR almost a year ago. lots of people are ignoring it in droves. I even contacted my state organization (that is the NRA in NY). they said they felt that Leo Hindery Jr was just a venture capitalist out to make a buck. REALLY!!! cant these people see the writing on the wall???


37 posted on 11/03/2013 6:44:38 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

They have enough money to let some of it dry up to advance an agenda.


38 posted on 11/03/2013 6:45:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: newnhdad

Magazines written by supposed experts should be read with a large supply of salt handy. It must have been at least 35 years ago I read a page in an automotive magazine where someone was asking what worked best in snow and ice, a rear wheel drive car or a front wheel drive car. As one who has driven both I cannot imagine anyone who has experience with both saying anything other than PICK THE FRONT WHEEL DRIVE FOR THOSE CONDITIONS. The so-called expert trying to answer the question didn’t actually answer it, he went through a lot of gyrations written as if he were writing a thesis for an engineering degree and never came to any kind of conclusion. It reminded me of a saying I used to hear, “Ask him for the time of day and he will tell you how to build a watch.”

What the reader had wanted was a real world answer and what he got was gobbledygook that left him more confused than before.


39 posted on 11/03/2013 6:47:59 AM PST by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: Flycatcher

“Exothermic Reactions! Exothermic Reactions! Combustive Exothermic Reactions in the Theater!!”


40 posted on 11/03/2013 6:48:10 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

You know how one You Tube leads to another? I found this while viewing your link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8mU_g_f2w


41 posted on 11/03/2013 6:50:28 AM PST by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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To: Gaffer
I quite buying those kinds of magazines years ago. They are nothing more than a gun maker paid advertisement.

I grew up with American Rifleman as my Dad showed me the many pleasures and freedoms that were associated with the 1950's and 1960s NRA which was not deemed an anarchist organization by the government of the day.

42 posted on 11/03/2013 6:51:34 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: basil

Did you know that the orange “Guns and Ammo” on the cover glows in a black light?


43 posted on 11/03/2013 6:57:21 AM PST by D Rider
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I expect Metcalf will resign and apologize within a week.


44 posted on 11/03/2013 6:57:40 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I quit taking G&A’s political page seriously years ago when the author of an article went into a diatribe on citizenship.

I knew he had been reading STARSHIP TROOPERS as all his political ideas were exactly like the book.

Back in 1968, G&A was called a “noisy” magazine, by the anti-gun press, for it’s then pro-gun slants.

The good things about the magazine is it does play to the “I want that” desires of the public, which is their real purpose.

A fine example is the AR-15. In the 1960s and early 70s you could not give one away(except to me).

“What good is it?”
“Will it knock down a deer?”
“A Mattel toy!”

Then G&A started a series by Mel Tappan on SURVIVAL GUNS, and suddenly everyone and his dog wanted one.

Of course, Jimmy Carter and his failed Iran policy didn’t help any, and when Americans also discovered the MAD (Mutually assured destruction) nuke policy meant the public was really on their own for survival.


45 posted on 11/03/2013 7:03:01 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I quit that rag many years ago. They have always been a “joe biden” kind of gun rights business.


46 posted on 11/03/2013 7:03:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: D Rider

Well, actually, I didn’t.

Uh—should I care?


47 posted on 11/03/2013 7:16:18 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
a distinction between “infringement” and “regulation.”

Regulation IS infringement. Look up the definitions. How can you regulate something without infringing on its free exercise? The very nature of a regulation is an infringement.

This editor is dabbling in word games, and coming out much the worse for his effort.

48 posted on 11/03/2013 7:17:15 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
My first reaction was, “Yes, but why did it take him so long to recognize the truth?”.

Folks in the ammunition and firearms industry have provided the necessary help for the enemies of freedom to accomplish things that they never could have accomplished on their own.

How many patriots know that the 1968 Gun Control Act was initiated, drafted and supported by the American firearms industry (SAAMI) as a mis-guided protectionist scheme?

How many patriots know that the 1994 Assault Weapons and Extended Magazine bans were initiated and supported by the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF & SAAMI)? How could anybody with a even a little knowledge of firearms believe that Senator Feinstein and her staff drafted the AWB? It was far too detailed and selective for anyone outside of the industry to daft.

The citizens seemed to miss the obvious that Ruger’s (long time SAAMI member) Mini-14 was not an “Assault Rifle” while Colt’s (not a SAAMI member at the time) AR-15 was, even though the two rifles functioned identically. It was a mis-guided protectionist scheme to protect the industry from the perceived economic danger imposed by the evil looking SKS’s and semi-auto clones of AK-47’s, plain and simply.

I saw, read and studied the draft of the AWB & EMB in 1989 (!!) when I worked at Winchester. It was being circulated within the ammunition and firearms industry by Bob Delfay of SAAMI to gain support for the measures prior to introduction in the Senate by Feinstein. It took another 5 years to complete, legislate and implement the bans.

Welcome aboard, albeit quite late.

49 posted on 11/03/2013 7:42:05 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
I understand that driving a car is not a right protected by the Constitution, but to me the basic principle is the same.

What an ass.

I can own any kind of monster truck, fuel injected muscle cars, I just cannot operate it on public roadways without restrictions, the same applies to guns.

Conditionally speaking, it is far easier to disarm the entire military than it is to take away any arms from your average us citizen



Our Founding Fathers were more worried about standing armies and despotic leaders than nutjobs running amock.
50 posted on 11/03/2013 8:09:21 AM PST by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
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