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End of an Era: Last U.S. Lead Smelter to Close in December
nraila.org ^ | 10/25/13 | staff

Posted on 10/27/2013 9:12:13 AM PDT by Nachum

In December, the final primary lead smelter in the United States will close. The lead smelter, located in Herculaneum, Missouri, and owned and operated by the Doe Run Company, has existed in the same location since 1892.

The Herculaneum smelter is currently the only smelter in the United States which can produce lead bullion from raw lead ore that is mined nearby in Missouri's extensive lead deposits, giving the smelter its "primary" designation. The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum is then sold to lead product producers, including ammunition manufactures for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers. Several "secondary" smelters, where lead is recycled from products such as lead acid batteries or spent ammunition components, still operate in the United States.

Doe Run made significant efforts to reduce lead emissions from the smelter, but in 2008 the federal Environmental Protection Agency issued new National Ambient Air Quality Standards for lead that were 10 times tighter than the previous standard. Given the new lead air quality standard, Doe Run made the decision to close the Herculaneum smelter.

Whatever the EPA's motivation when creating the new lead air quality standard, increasingly restrictive regulation of lead is likely to affect the production and cost of traditional ammunition. Just this month, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a bill that will ban lead ammunition for all hunting in California. The Center for Biological Diversity has tried multiple times to get similar regulations at the federal level by trying, and repeatedly failing, to get the EPA to regulate conventional ammunition under the Toxic Substances Control Act.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; doerun; endera; epa; greenieweenies; guncontrol; herculaneum; lead; missouri; secondamendment; smelter
Comin' fer yer guns
1 posted on 10/27/2013 9:12:13 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 10/27/2013 9:13:01 AM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

Too hard to ban lead in bullets and shot pellets, so regulate the only lead smelter out of business.
The EPA needs to go away. It is anti-American.


3 posted on 10/27/2013 9:15:45 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: Nachum
The Doe Run plant and grounds at Herculaneum is probably one of the most polluted areas in the US. I have to believe a modern smelter could be built and operated without shortening the lives of people who live nearby.
4 posted on 10/27/2013 9:18:09 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: BuffaloJack

just a question....

has anyone come up with a comparable composite that can take leads place in ammo?


5 posted on 10/27/2013 9:18:13 AM PDT by digger48
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To: Nachum

Another production industry destroyed thanks to the EPA.

Can’t have them recycling that nasty lead now can we?

It’s better to export those jobs to China.


6 posted on 10/27/2013 9:18:22 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Nachum
Tyrants and bureaucrats fear lead.
7 posted on 10/27/2013 9:19:25 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: digger48

“has anyone come up with a comparable composite that can take lead’s place in ammo?”

Yes. But not in density.

Search Barnes.


8 posted on 10/27/2013 9:20:00 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: BuffaloJack

“So if somebody wants to build a lead smelter, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that pollution that’s being emitted,”


9 posted on 10/27/2013 9:21:20 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Nah, the lead products will be imported from China.

Who in their right mind would build anything that is subject to the whims of the psychopath in the White House.


10 posted on 10/27/2013 9:22:41 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Nachum

If an enemy nation took over this country they wouldn’t do anything thing different that what Uncle Scam has been doing the past twenty years.


11 posted on 10/27/2013 9:23:57 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Nachum

This is where another commie lib fiasco is going to blow up in their faces. They’ll pass amnesty and the illegal aliens “citizens” will go from stealing copper to stealing lead to earn beer money. Liberal progs are morons.


12 posted on 10/27/2013 9:24:10 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare should have been tested on politicians before being released to the public!)
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To: Nachum

No need to worry, all of that lead ore is probably on a ship to china right now for processing, and will be sold back to us at a discount (not).
In the mean time, old car batteries are going to be your only source of easily obtainable lead for the near future, that is, until the EPA/k-street/china lobby figures out how to ban them.


13 posted on 10/27/2013 9:27:29 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Nachum
Lead is not just for ammunition; it's also used significantly in medical devices and aviation parts.

The EPA is incompatible with modern life.

14 posted on 10/27/2013 9:28:00 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (You know something's really wrong when the salesman keeps selling long after the close.)
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To: digger48

Solid copper bullets work well for hunting, but obviously going to be more expensive. Tungsten and bismuth are used as substitutes for lead in fishing weighs.


15 posted on 10/27/2013 9:34:44 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: digger48
has anyone come up with a comparable composite that can take leads place in ammo?

Depleted uranium...

16 posted on 10/27/2013 9:39:00 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: smokingfrog

Hmmmm a tungsten core with a tungsten-bismuth sheath would be a penetrator. Add some magnesium to the core . . .


17 posted on 10/27/2013 9:45:15 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: digger48

> has anyone come up with a comparable composite that can take leads place in ammo?

Short answer... NO!
Steel wears the rifling too fast.
Copper is fine for shooting, but is much more poisonous than lead. (A wounded animal can live for years with a piece of lead, but the same size piece of copper will form copper salts and poison them to an agonizing death.) In the 1700s and 1800s copper musket balls were labeled as poisonous by International Law. I don’t know if it’s still true; we have better battlefield surgery now and the copper would be removed by a surgeon before it got to the poison stage.


18 posted on 10/27/2013 9:48:56 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Gun Control is the Key to totalitarianism and genocide.)
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To: Mygirlsmom

And batteries.


19 posted on 10/27/2013 9:49:50 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: Nachum

A lot of people are correct to assume the government doesn’t want us to have guns. Where they are mistaken is in how the government will do it.

There will not be police or military personnel going door to door searching your home. They will do it through the courts and bureaucracy by attacking the suppliers and manufacturers of guns and ammunition. They will bankrupt and destroy as many as they can, unless they toe the line and only sell to the government.

As for the ones already in possession by the people, I imagine they will be taxed and registered, with harsh penalties for those who fail to do so. The taxes will increase to a point where only the wealthy will have them. The average person will have to decide whether to give their guns up, or hide them and face prison time and fines if they get caught with them, or have to use them in self-defense.

That’s where we are headed. They won’t do something as bold as confiscate the guns head on in the open.


20 posted on 10/27/2013 9:49:57 AM PDT by TheGipperWasRight
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To: Nachum

Truthfully, there are several minerals that you just can’t mine cheap or easy, and make for dreadful pollution.

I remember seeing a picture from a South American mercury mine, in which once a month workers would have to sit in a wooden box lined with 100 Watt light bulbs, to sweat as much mercury out of their system as possible. They still died young, with few making it to their 50’s.


21 posted on 10/27/2013 9:51:38 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: Nachum

Watch, the Mob and Gangs will be running illegal smelting facilities....


22 posted on 10/27/2013 9:54:22 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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To: Nachum; Lazamataz

The goes Laz’s slag removal job.


23 posted on 10/27/2013 9:59:49 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Nachum

Next the EPA will restrict lead imports.


24 posted on 10/27/2013 10:03:43 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Nachum

Who is John Galt?


25 posted on 10/27/2013 10:05:05 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Nachum

My brother-in-law used to canvass service stations for discarded lead tire-weights.He hs buckets full of them.He could see the future!


26 posted on 10/27/2013 10:11:31 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Nachum
Don't know whether the anti-pollution requirements were warranted or not.

But if we are going to have things like anti-pollution requirements then we need to raise the import tariffs for countries that do not or we throw our people out of work and destroy our own industries.

27 posted on 10/27/2013 10:12:44 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: digger48
has anyone come up with a comparable composite that can take leads place in ammo?

How about spent uranium? used in tank ammo. /s

28 posted on 10/27/2013 10:17:42 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Nachum

Galena, IL used to be a big lead town, U. S. Grant’s hometown. Been there


29 posted on 10/27/2013 10:19:00 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
 photo droneloads.png
30 posted on 10/27/2013 10:19:35 AM PDT by digger48
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To: FReepers
Fine folks:

http://www.rotometals.com/

Get it while you can!

31 posted on 10/27/2013 10:24:06 AM PDT by Errant
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To: headstamp 2

Actually, I might feel more secure relying on china for ammo rather than the whims of the obviously anti 2nd ammendment crowd in dc.


32 posted on 10/27/2013 10:25:04 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Capitol Hill is easily the MOST polluted area in the US. It has done far more harm to America and her citizens than anything that any lead smelting operation could possibly do.

The White House is the second most polluted area in the US ...

Tyranny is far more deadly than lead ...


33 posted on 10/27/2013 10:43:22 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: BuffaloJack

“Too hard to ban lead in bullets and shot pellets, so regulate the only lead smelter out of business.”

But what about all the lead they need for the batteries for all their “clown car” Toyota Piouses, and Honda Twits?”


34 posted on 10/27/2013 10:47:08 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Mygirlsmom

Lead is also used in soldering electronic parts. Even though there has been a move towards “no lead solder” in the electronics industry, it does not work in certain applications, such as medical devices, military, avionics, wastewater treatment and underwater oil exploration.


35 posted on 10/27/2013 11:00:55 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: BuffaloJack
Too hard to ban lead in bullets and shot pellets

Uh, from the article excerpt above:

Just this month, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law a bill that will ban lead ammunition for all hunting in California.

36 posted on 10/27/2013 11:01:14 AM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Hmmm. So lead smelted lead refined is bad, but galena, the rock ore that Pb is extracted from, is just fine in situ?

Well, Maybe one ought to check out the free lead and leachate lead associated with the rock in the ground before simply declaring lead smelting a “hazard” while the ground adjacent is , well, made of lead bearing rock....

So much for science and PC spin.


37 posted on 10/27/2013 11:02:16 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Nachum
With no lead smelter, Clue will have to come up with another murder weapon. "_____ did it with a lead pipe" will no longer be an option.
38 posted on 10/27/2013 11:03:00 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: Nachum

The price of silver has been down for quite a while...good enough for the Lone Ranger, good enough for me!


39 posted on 10/27/2013 11:20:17 AM PDT by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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To: Manly Warrior

‘swhy lead was removed from gasoline.
You could look it up...


40 posted on 10/27/2013 11:39:45 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: digger48
has anyone come up with a comparable composite that can take leads place in ammo?

Tungsten and depleted uranium come to mind, I'd stick to lead if at all possible.

Regards,
GtG

41 posted on 10/27/2013 12:41:25 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Nachum

Fiorina 161 will pick up the slack.


42 posted on 10/27/2013 2:03:12 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: fella

Of course, anything that might be considered “armor piercing” will be banned eventually as well.


43 posted on 10/27/2013 2:05:01 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: TheGipperWasRight

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/23/miller-dc-businessman-faces-two-years-jail-unregis/


44 posted on 10/27/2013 2:07:15 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I hope so, otherwise it’s just yet more lost manufacturing and the jobs that go with it.


45 posted on 10/27/2013 2:08:33 PM PDT by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Nachum.
The Herculaneum smelter is currently the only smelter in the United States which can produce lead bullion from raw lead ore that is mined nearby in Missouri's extensive lead deposits, giving the smelter its "primary" designation. The lead bullion produced in Herculaneum is then sold to lead product producers, including ammunition manufactures for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles, projectile cores, and primers.

46 posted on 10/27/2013 2:29:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: OldNewYork
I invite anyone on this board to google “Herculaneum lead poisoning” to find the true damage this mineral does in an uncontrolled environment.
We need it and depend on it. Production processes to date are deficient.
47 posted on 10/27/2013 5:48:56 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: vette6387

Doe Run skipped the upgrades that every other mineral processing industry did, including coal, copper, iron ore, etc.


48 posted on 10/27/2013 7:29:26 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Nachum

So, the recycle type smelters will get more business....unitl the EPA turns sauron’s eye toward them. Downside, scarcity and higher prices... upside, won’t have to worry about californistan’s impact on the market much longer.

KYPD


49 posted on 10/29/2013 7:31:53 AM PDT by petro45acp (It's a fabian thing.....how do you boil a frog? How's that water feelin right about now?)
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