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A black box in your car? Some see a source of tax revenue
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 26, 2013 | By Evan Halper

Posted on 10/27/2013 5:45:21 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Gen.Blather

Yeah thats how it goes. Several miles of decent road repaved, when a half mile of potholes go untouched.


21 posted on 10/27/2013 6:48:53 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My take on this is that a bunch of bright young things will soon figure out several ways to hack it, complete with how-to videos on YouTube. Then the Overlords will making hacking it against the law (if they haven’t already). Then the Overlords will have to arrest EVERYONE with a car. This could be interesting.


22 posted on 10/27/2013 6:50:36 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

About 90% of the new vehicles today have a ‘event data recorder’ installed.
But most states could get the same data when vehicle registration is done
by obtaining an odometer reading. Granted that data wouldn’t give you as much
detail as could be obtained via a black box.


23 posted on 10/27/2013 6:51:54 AM PDT by deport
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To: Zhang Fei

Not RICO, but what you describe is already a felony, and has been for a long time.

See 49 U.S.C. § 32703(2)


24 posted on 10/27/2013 6:57:29 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: from occupied ga
OOH, better still make it a mandatory death penalty

Don't give them any ideas...

25 posted on 10/27/2013 6:59:14 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Fresh Wind
Not RICO, but what you describe is already a felony, and has been for a long time. See 49 U.S.C. § 32703(2)

The RICO aspect was meant to force the disgorgement of any ill-gotten gains from guys who might have a side business "adjusting" odometers.

26 posted on 10/27/2013 7:01:01 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Just another reason to keep my ‘58 MGA running!

:-)


27 posted on 10/27/2013 7:13:52 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Zhang Fei
I'm a progressive.

Trust me!


28 posted on 10/27/2013 7:17:45 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: CPOSharky

Maybe we could get a slightly larger box with which to surround the feral gov’t?


29 posted on 10/27/2013 7:24:18 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: La Lydia
My take on this is that a bunch of bright young things will soon figure out several ways to hack it, complete with how-to videos on YouTube. 

A squirrel must have chewed the GPS cable.

Did the squirrel also solder a jumper wire from pin 6 on the GPS chip to ground?

Fortunately the NSA will have some people who aren't bugging Merkel to see if you viewed any of those videos.

30 posted on 10/27/2013 7:31:49 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
It’s really getting closer to the time for pitchforks and torches.

Way past time for that. Gallows are more in order.

31 posted on 10/27/2013 7:42:02 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There already is a tax on fuel, and the amount of fuel you use is related to the amount you drive.

But it’s hard to monitor personal travel profiles that way.


32 posted on 10/27/2013 7:49:31 AM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

Wherein all the money collected in road taxes, gas taxes and other fees has already been wasted through corruption, mismanagement and outright theft has been exhausted I guess.

Tar, feathers, pitchforks and creosoted rails needed stat!

33 posted on 10/27/2013 8:06:54 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Government will treat a GPS position recording device in your car as a honeypot of information that it will give itself permission to access any time it wants. This has exact parallels to how government treated location data from cell phones which could have been implemented without destroying privacy, but it was implemented to make personal control of private information impossible.


34 posted on 10/27/2013 8:10:49 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Sirius Lee

The black box isn’t about revenue so much as it is about tracking and control.”

Texas pass legislation supporting the “black box”. Asked my Rep who is also my insurance agent why there was no stipulation as to who could access the info and for what purposes and he replied that I should contact the Feds as it was their law.

I have an older car and inquired as to how I could reduce my insurance expenses - the same agent/Rep told me I should get a “black box” installed in my car.

Conflict of interest? Nah. /s/


35 posted on 10/27/2013 8:31:59 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: snoringbear

My Father had a Dodge truck that he converted to use either propane or gas. To refill the 60 gal. propane tank he had to have a tax sticker, issued by the state, displayed on a window. Why can’t they use the same system for the hybrids and ev’s?


36 posted on 10/27/2013 8:32:32 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Don Corleone
the outdated system for funding America's major roads.

And the assertion that it's "outdated" is just spewed with no proof, and rarely challenged. The largest contributors to infrastructure wear spend the most on fuel and therefore pay the most in taxes. How is that "outdated", oh, there I go thinking again...darn me.
37 posted on 10/27/2013 8:40:23 AM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

For decades we have had taxes on every gallon of gas sold that was supposed to go into a fund to maintain the highway system at all levels. But, like any and all form of cash collection, aka taxes, the funds collected were almost immediately spent on “better” projects.

I have a suggestion - how about seeing for six months were the gasoline taxes are really going. I don’t mean the new funds that are going to be collected but where the funds from this time two years ago went.

If they didn’t go to support the highway system find out where they went then close those fraudulently supported programs. ALL OF THEM! Then, when the special interest groups complain, including I am afraid to mention the public school systems, tax those who complain to support their projects.

Since the first great raid on the Social Security Funds under LBJ in the mid 1960s no tax dollar collected to fund a specific project has been safe. Before adding new taxes we need to stop the current madness. BTW - don’t expect Congress or state legislators to do this voluntarily - too many of them use these hijacked funds for their personal reelection process.


38 posted on 10/27/2013 8:48:15 AM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: snoringbear

Charge them more for their tags. Texas did/does this with a “alternative fuel” registration if I am not mistaken.


39 posted on 10/27/2013 9:41:29 AM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Where the Hell is all the gas tax revenue going to?

What about the money in Porkulus? All that money didn't go fix bridges and roads?

Folks, the highway funds system is a scam. States should pay for their own roads.

40 posted on 10/27/2013 9:45:56 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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