Skip to comments.'We've reached the end of antibiotics': Top CDC expert declares
Posted on 10/26/2013 10:13:54 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
A high-ranking official with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has declared in an interview with PBS that the age of antibiotics has come to an end. 'For a long time, there have been newspaper stories and covers of magazines that talked about "The end of antibiotics, question mark?"' said Dr Arjun Srinivasan. 'Well, now I would say you can change the title to "The end of antibiotics, period.' The associate director of the CDC sat down with Frontline over the summer for a lengthy interview about the growing problem of antibacterial resistance. Srinivasan, who is also featured in a Frontline report called 'Hunting the Nightmare Bacteria,' which aired Tuesday, said that both humans and livestock have been overmedicated to such a degree that bacteria are now resistant to antibiotics.
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This is pure bull.
What you mean? Haven’t you heard of MRSA?
Not to mention illegals bringing crapola into the country that we had eradicated and doctors giving out antibiotics for every little thing.
The bugs have won?
Uh, the illegals are not over-medicated, and the crap they bring in is old-school.
The solution, of course, is to not allow the peasants to use antibiotics, so what’s the difference?
They aren’t over-medicated, they bring in diseases!
What I find stupid is his saying that this is from people over medicating themselves. Last time I checked, we needed a dr prescription to get antibiotics.
Time for a Manhattan Project?
That we don’t have to develop new vaccines for . . . listen, illegal aliens can be blamed for a lot of things, but over-medication leading to resistance is not one of them.
Actually, fecal pills will be the future....and, no, I am not kidding.
Saw that article.......eeeewwww!
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[Hey, give him credit: he was right!]
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Sambucol, and Grapefruit seed extract internally, and Tea Tree oil in our cleaning products. No antibacterial soaps or cleaners in our house. We haven’t been sick in years.
I can imagine a number of scenarios in which a few billion people die. In some scenarios, this would be pure tragedy. In other scenarios, the Powers That Be might declare is “real unfortunate” *cough* *cough* *cough*
Yeah, and wasn’t it the CEO of IBM who said personal computers would NEVER come about???
This reminds me of the Patent and Trademark Office declaring, maybe 100 years ago, that everything that was ever going to be invented had been invented...
Sorry I didn’t read your post before I posted. I am glad to be in good company.
Are you sure? You can buy most any med OTC in Mexico. In the US, you can get most common *old school* antibiotics in a feed store. Farmers keep large stocks of common injectables and oral antibiotics around for their livestock. Meat animals around the world are fed these drugs.
Old school diseases that have become resistant are commonly reported. My personal experience was of getting a lower respiratory infection while traveling in the South Pacific. I was in remote areas and had to wait for the Flying Doctor.
I received 150 mg of erythromycin plus a tiny steroid tablet
to be taken over a 10 day period. It was not strong enough.
I arrived back home quite ill and my US doctor prescribed some huge flouroquinolone that gave results within days, but which had to be taken for three weeks. I had some side effects and secondary effects that lasted months. No idea what I picked up, but no one in the islands was the least bit worried, while my MD was. Was it *old school*? Mutated? A poor prescription? That was 13 years ago. Could I rely on a quinolone again if this occurred?
Do you have links to back up your assertions? Just so we can all stop worrying?
That, right there, is an argument that we are over-medicated . . . not that Mexicans are magically doing this to ourselves.
I can add Oregano Oil, Garlic Oil, and Clove Oil to the arsenal you mentioned.
I was sick for years with recurring bronchial, sinus and typically developing to pneumonia. This would happen annually with a trip to the doctor, a dose of some kind of ever stronger antibiotic.
Then I cured myself and broke the cycle. The modern antibiotics seem to destroy everything in the body, yet cannot break up a slimy biomass in sinus, lungs or wherever. So the infection gets knocked down, but left to fester until the body gets tired, then to return.
Sambucol, Grapefruit Seed extract are wonderful. tea Tree oil, oregano oil and clove oil are great for brushing the teeth. Just a few drops on the toothbrush, then add toothpaste as usual.
I saw a study of nursing home residents with pneumonia, and they could match the cultures with plaque. So keeping the teeth clean is key.
I have not been sick since 2001 after being sick every year for the first 30 years of my life.
I still remember my boss in the nineties telling me CDs would never replace the record album.
BS. The vast majority of the time they still work just fine.
The guy here predicts disaster for humans, making this thread of interest to preppers. If a plague does occur, two things will happen.
Natural selection, which breeds resistant strains when antibiotics are over used, will insure that susceptible strains, expending fewer resources to maintain the resistance, will quickly outbreed and thereby displace the resistant strains, and the antibiotics will again become more generally effective.
A plague would also favor those in better health - those who have kept their bodies and immune systems in good shape through proper supplies of food, vitamins and clean water, i.e. preppers. Those who survive will also be selected for more competent inherent immune systems, which will be passed on to future generations.
If this man’s dire predictions come true, it may get ugly, but balance will be restored, and more especially for those prepared.
The good news, this will discourage deviancy and debauchery, since there will be no cure for the new generation of STDs
I don't care about organic, I just want it to be "real" food.
I haven't been sick in the last couple years.
Should we believe them this time?
No problem - it’s worth repeating, like ... “You can keep your doctor.”
I believe the poster was claiming that the Mexicans come in with infectious disease. If they had also been consuming available antibiotics while ill in Mexico, couldn’t they be bringing in mutated bacterial infections? Just being prescribed ineffective meds could breed resistance.
I know not all disease remains infectious over a long period of time. I’m not blaming Mexicans, as I live in an area with very few illegals. The farm workers I know of are hired through a rigorous program that includes health evaluations and checks on both sides of the border, much at the employers’ expense. But it obviously is different in border areas.
I didn’t even touch on the drugs that enter municipal water systems. There are a lot of ways uncontrolled immigration can spread resistant illness.
“It seems as if we may also be forced to conclude that the supposed
connexion between magnetic storms and sun-spots is unreal, and that the
seeming agreement between periods has been a mere coincidence.
Lord Kelvin, 1892
X-rays will prove to be a hoax.
Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895
Radio has no future.
Heavier than air flying machines are impossible.
Man, that Lord Kelvin had a nose for history and scientific development. If alive today I’m sure he’d say of the internet “It’s only a mild distraction. There is no way people will substitute going out and seeing the world for simply bringing the world to them” and of digital technology “Sure, it may be the best way of transmitting information efficiently ever designed but who needs that much info that fast and in so many different places? Waste of resources.”
Bactrim kills MRSA.
MSRA is a different animal, altogether. And the fact that we are dealing with it here should be an indication that it was born here.
I wasn’t implying such. I’m saying that they brought diseases into our country that were eradicated that need more and more antibiotics. Geez!
Antibiotics was always a footrace in the wrong direction. It killed the weaker critters and left the stronger ones to wreak havoc.
Raw Honey has been known to defeat a MRSA infection.
Yes, you need a prescription but many mommies won’t take no for an answer when little Johnny gets the sniffles, and the doctor would prefer him getting well with bed rest and healthy eating habits.
Believe me, this is a problem. I’ve known mothers who kept their kids on antibiotics for a significant portion of the time. They thought they were being the best most attentive parent possible.
What they were doing is setting up a situation where normal antibiotics wouldn’t work against infections their kids would come up with later in life.
When my daughter was 3 months old she got her first ear infection. Antibiotics. Three days off of them and she got another one. More antibiotics. This went on for more than a year and a half.
For the last year the drs put her on prophylactic antibiotics. Bloody diarrhea, yeast infections, fungal skin rashes. She’s already had two ruptured ear drums and her hearing was impaired.
I was 21 years old and this was before the internet was a ‘thing’. I trusted the drs.
Until she got thrush so bad that they said it was going to kill her and wanted to do a DNC.
By this time I’d been told about tubes in the ears. I asked the dr if I understood the situation clearly.
“She has chronic ear infections. We’re keeping her on antibiotics to prevent them. But the antibiotics are causing fungal infections and now you’re telling me that my 21 month old needs a DNC and is probably already sterile. Would it not be a better solution to treat the yeast, take her off the antibiotics, and get her the tubes ASAP?”
The dr agreed that this was preferable. Then he went on to tell me that there were only one American dr in Germany who did the tubes for military families, he only did two a month, and there was a 18 month waiting list. So we couldn’t take her off the antibiotics until then. The dr informed us that TriCare wouldn’t pay for the procedure unless this dr did it.
I called every family member and friend that we had and asked for money, gathered up all the credit cards and had the companies extend the limits, then flew my daughter back to the states to get her tubes. A pediatric ENT took pity on us and got her in just a couple of days after we landed. We went broke, but we paid for the surgery ourselves.
She didn’t have antibiotics again until she was six and contracted antibiotic resistant strep from her school. That was in 1998. She ended up hospitalized with the ‘drug of last resort’ then getting her tonsils out. That strain of strep was not bred in her body, but in her classmates.
In my experience, the drs of the ‘80s and ‘90s were passing this crap out like candy. I agree that there are pushy parents, but the ultimate liability falls on the professional’s shoulders.
When my grandfather was growing up people said the motorcar would never replace the horse-drawn carriage.
I recognize there are cases out there like yours. Sadly, those are not the only cases where kids are over-medicated.
Sorry to hear about the ordeal your child and your family went through. What a challenge...
Mexicans have been taking anti-biotics for the common cold almost as long as anti-biotics have been around.
We had a happy ending. Turned out that the hearing loss was due to her middle ear being stuffed with hardened crap. As soon as that was all cleared out, she could hear again.
Other happy ending... She’s 29 weeks pregnant with our first granddaughter. :)
I’m just saying that the patients didn’t have years of medical training or access to medical information 20 years ago and the drs did. Rather than take the time to sit down and inform the parent/patient of the realities of the situation, drs would toss them antibiotics to shut ‘em up and get them out the door.
I also think that it’s safe to say that the medical professionals didn’t understand that we’d be out of antibiotics 20 years ago and didn’t see any harm in what they were doing.
In the 90’s, everyone assumed that new antibiotics would be developed, so the trend continued.
It’s not right to blame the public for things that even the drs weren’t aware of. And it’s not right to blame the patients for something that a drs did.
As I’ve been told a hundred times, “Who do you think you are? You’re not a doctor. Did you go to medical school? Go sit in the corner and color.”
(Not an exact quote, but pretty much the attitude.)
Hydrogen Peroxide is the best killer of MRSA that I know of.
You mention some things I know to be true. I have also heard the physician side, and they are under the gun by moms who simply will not take no for an answer.
Granted you could argue they should refuse, but that emphatic mom is going to find the physician who will give them what they want. It’s a no win for them when mom then runs around town telling her inner circle what a terrible physician they are.
And yet physicians refuse pain patients opioids every day. They insist that patients do physical therapy before surgery. They talk patients out of unnecessary tests.
Another thing that I’d like to bring up is the question, *why* are mothers so insistant that their kids get antibiotics with every sniffle.
Day cares and schools have a rule that a kid must be 24 hours free of fever before they can go back to school. If the school calls and the parent has to pick them up, the kids can’t go back the next day. Mothers are under pressure to get their kid well, and do it fast, so they can continue to go to work. Single moms without family support are in serious trouble in that regard. (You have no idea how many times I’ve heard mothers guiltily confess that they’ll dope the kid up with Tylenol right before school, praying that the kid makes it through the day.)
In Texas, a kid is turned over the truant officer, even if they have doctors notes. The district looses money if the kids aren’t attending. (I had to fight that with my diabetic son.)
So we’ve got several dysfunctions colliding at once. Moms who have to work, a school system that will call the cops if a kid misses too much school, doctors who don’t want to argue or educate, drug companies who aren’t working on antibiotics because there’s not enough money in it, twenty years of physicians not knowing about the resistance issue until it was too late, insurance companies throwing up roadblocks to see specialists to get procedures that would end the need for antibiotics in patients.
Let’s not forget that the rise of the AIDS epidemic has contributed significantly to the problem.
And then there’s the practice of treating all livestock with antibiotics, even when they’re healthy.
Blaming nagging moms alone is shortsighted and unfair.
Lots of twists and turns to this.
To start with, the real problem is that people assumed that if you had an infection, you could just “turn it off” with antibiotics. While this is what happens in a Petri dish, the reality in many cases is that the antibiotic just reduces the degree of the infection long enough for the immune system to eliminate it.
Antibiotics are not the only thing that does this. Several ionic metals may not kill bacteria very much directly, but they inhibit the bacteria’s reproduction. Since most bacteria normally reproduce every half hour, this accomplishes the same goal of reducing the degree of the infection.
Hygiene does matter, as does having a healthy intestinal flora. Medicines that existed before antibiotics, like the sulfa drugs, still exist.
Some plants contain chemicals that make at risk cells too slippery for the bacteria to grab a hold of.
We got rid of antibac products a couple of years ago. My kids get dirty and probably eat some of that dirt. We try to avoid the doc for the common cold and flu (which happens rarely), and focus on building our immune systems. I did have to break down and get antibiotics for a severe case of mastitis last week. Now I’m popping probiotics like crazy.