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1 posted on 10/26/2013 7:32:32 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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Well of course we are.


59 posted on 10/26/2013 8:12:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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My sister works at a big name department store. She told me that people are devastated. They have watched hours get cut below 30. They now work two part time jobs, some cleaning toilets to make ends meet. This mandate to buy is freaking them out.


60 posted on 10/26/2013 8:13:19 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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The GOP isn't.

The TEA Party is.

61 posted on 10/26/2013 8:13:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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Note that he blames the Congressmen and Senators' courageous defense of individual freedom, free enterprise principles, and opposition to coercive government power for halting the advance of his signature "fundamental transformation" of America's foundational Constitutional principle. That, whether he intended it or not, is a backhanded compliment to Cruz, Lee, and the House.

Now we know why he returned the White House's Churchill bust. Churchill's image was a stark reminder of the Churchillian wisdom on the efficiency and fairness of capitalism and individual freedom versus the certain failure of the counterfeit ideas of socialist dogma.

"When I see the present Socialist Government denouncing capitalism in all its forms, mocking with derision and contempt the tremendous free enterprise capitalist system on which the mighty production of the United States is founded, I cannot help feeling that as a nation we are not acting honorably or even honestly." - Winston Churchill, Woodford Green, July 10, 1948.

"We shall not allow the advance of society and economic well-being of the nation to be regulated and curtailed by the pace of the weakest bretheren among us. Proper incentives must be offered and full freedom given to the strong to use their strength in the commonweal. Initiative, enterprise, thrift, domestic foresight, contrivance, good housekeeping and natural ability must reap their just reward. On any other plan the population of this island will sink by disastrous and agonizing stages to a far lower standard of life and two-thirds of its present numbers." - Winston Churchill, speech, Blenheim Palace, August 4, 1947.

"The difference between what is seen and what is not seen was often noticed by the old economists. What is not seen is the infinite variety of individual transactions and decisions which, in a civilized society, within the framework of just and well-known laws, insure the advantage not only of the individual concerned, but of the community, and provide that general body of well-being constituting the wealth of nations. All this is blotted out by an over-riding State control, however imposing some of its manifestations may be. It is the vital creative impulse that that I deeply fear the doctrines and policy of the socialist Government have destroyed, or are rapidly destroying, in our national life. Nothing that they can plan and order and rush around enforcing will take its place. They have broken the mainspring, and until we get a new one the watch will not go." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons, October 28, 1947.

"It is in the interest of the wage-earner to have many other alternatives open to him than service under one all-powerful employer called the State. He will be in a better position to bargain collectively and production will be more abundant; there will be more for all and more freedom for all when the wage earner is able, in the large majority of cases, to choose and change his work, and deal with a private employer who, like himself, is subject to the ordinary pressures of life and, like himself, is dependent upon his personal thrift, ingenuity and good-housekeeping." - Winston Churchill, speech, Blackpool, October 5, 1946

"Liberalism (classical liberalism) has its own history and its own tradition. Socialism has its own formulas and aims. Socialism seeks to pull down wealth; Liberalism seeks to raise up poverty. Socialism would destroy private interests; Liberalism would preserve private interests in the only way in which they can be safely and justly preserved, namely, by reconciling them with public right. Socialism would kill enterprise; Liberalism would rescue enterprise from the trammels of privilege and preference. Socialism assails the pre-eminence of the individual; Liberalism seeks, and shall seek more in the future, to build up a minimum standard for the mass. Socialism exalts the rule; Liberalism exalts the man. Socialism attacks capital; Liberalism attacks monopoly." - Winston Churchill, Kinnaird Hall, Dundee, May 14, 1908.

"The British nation now has to make one of the most momentous choices in its history. That choice is between two ways of life: between individual liberty and State domination: between concentration of ownership in the hands of the State and the extension of a property-owning democracy; between a policy of increasing restraint and a policy of liberating energy and ingenuity: between a policy of levelling down and a policy of finding opportunities for all to rise upwards from a basic standard." - Winston Churchill, speech in Woodford, England, January 28, 1950.

"It is curious that, while in the days of my youth I was much reproached with inconsistency and being changeable, I am now scolded for adhering to the same views I had early in life and even of repeating passages from speeches which I made long before most of you were born. Of course the world moves on and we dwell in a constantly changing climate of opinion. But the broad principles and truths of wise and sane political actions do not necessarily alter with the changing moods of a democratic electorate. Not everything changes. Two and two still make four, and I could give you many other instances which go to prove that all wisdom is not new wisdom." - Winston Churchill, speech, Bele vue, Manchester, December 6, 1947.

"It is not Parliament that should rule; it is the people who should rule through Parliament." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons. November 11, 1947.

"We have to combat the wolf of socialism, and we shall be able to do it far more effectively as a pack of hounds than as a flock of sheep." - Winston Churchill, speech, 1937.

Although it is now put forward in the main by people who have a good grounding in the Liberalism and Radicalism of the early part of this century, there can be no doubt that Socialism is inseparably interwoven with Totalitarianism and the abject worship of the State. It is not alone that property, in all its forms, is struck at, but that liberty, in all its forms, is challenged by the fundamental conceptions of Socialism." - Winston Churchill, B.B.C radio address, June 4, 1945.

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill, House of Commons, October 22, 1945.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston Churchill, Perth, May 28, 1948.

"I do not wonder that British youth is in revolt against the morbid doctrine that nothing matters but the equal sharing of miseries: that what used to be called the submerged tenth can only be rescued by bringing the other nine-tenths down to their level; against the folly that it is better that everyone should have half rations rather than that any by their exertions, or ability, should earn a second helping." - Winston Churchill, London, June 22, 1948.

"Socialism is based on the idea of an all-powerful State which owns everything, which plans everything, which distributes everything, and thus through its politicians and officials decides the daily life of the individual citizen." - Winston Churchill, London, January 21, 1950.

"The British and Americans do not war with races or governments as such. Tyranny, external or internal, is our foe whatever trappings and disguises it wears, whatever language it speaks, or perverts." - Winston Churchill, Speech, Dorchester Hotel, London, July 4, 1953.

"You may try to destroy wealth, and find that all you have done is to increase poverty." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons. March 12, 1947.

"Nor should it be supposed as you would imagine, to read some of the Left-wing newspaper, that all Americans are multi-millionaires of Wall Street. If they were all multi-millionaires that would be no reason for condemning a system which has produced such material results.: - Winston Churchill, speech, Royal Albert Hall, London. April 21, 1948.

"Rich men, although valuable to the revenue, are not vital to a healthy state of society, but a society in which rich men are got rid of, from motives of jealousy, is not a healthy state." - Winston Churchill, speech, House of Commons, April 24, 1950.


62 posted on 10/26/2013 8:15:28 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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"It's well past the time for folks to stop rooting for [the law's] failure."

We are against the "fundamental transformation" thingy. Obamacare is just one of those things.

65 posted on 10/26/2013 8:21:28 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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Hey kenyan... there is a huge difference between KNOWING THAT SOMETHING WILL FAIL and WISHING SOMETHING WILL FAIL... and they are not mutually exclusive. Whether we wish for it to be a failure or not... it has failed and it will never work.


66 posted on 10/26/2013 8:22:03 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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Perhaps I am rooting for Obamacare to fail, but not sure how that effects the success of the law? I root for the Broncos to fail every week and they’re one of the best teams in the league. I also bet Obama roots for the Republicans to fail. Again, how is any of the relevant? The law is being implemented (notwithstanding the parts Obama illegally delayed) as written. If it fails, it will not be becuase of any group rooting for or against it. It will fail for the reason anything fails....it’s not any good.


67 posted on 10/26/2013 8:25:09 AM PDT by Mustangman (The GOP)
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Remember “Projection” .. a psychological disorder (according to Charles Krauthammer) ..?? Person A “projects” upon Person B the very crime Person A is committing or has previously committed.

It all started with the Stimulus. After it became law and the govt started passing out money, Biden was sent out to proclaim all the great things this money was doing (which was a great BIG FAT LIE).

Biden said: “The stimulus is doing exactly what it was designed to do”. Huh ..??????

So, I guess the stimulus “was designed” to cause a lot of failure .. because that’s exactly what was happening around the country. The unions were getting wealthy - and then giving it back to “O”; and green projects were the only place where “jobs” stimulus money was going (and then it was only to those who contributed to the dems).

OKAY .. fast forward just a few years, and we have another example of “Projection”. Sebelius (sp?) made the comment the other day by stating, “... they (the repubs) never wanted it to work in the first place”. Now, just think about that statement .. use the projection method .. and what did she just tell the public: THE DEMS NEVER WANTED IT TO WORK IN THE FIRST PLACE. Really ..????

It’s all on purpose. The software structure was OLD (I heard it might be 7-10 yrs old - 6 mos is old in computer software) .. there was no way it was going to be able to communicate with any of the new software. It’s no wonder it’s a mess.

Soooooo .. what was the purpose of all this .. ON PURPOSE the software was to collapse .. leading to the change over to SINGLE PAYER. Of course the public would be demanding it .. which is exactly what the dems wanted. They had to have the public demanding it in order to get the legislation through the Congress.

This is so evil and demented .. I’m at puke already with these people.

And any Congress person who agrees with O’care should lose their job in 2014.


68 posted on 10/26/2013 8:25:26 AM PDT by CyberAnt (MY AMERICA: "... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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I wonder how much the “fix” is going to cost and where is the money coming from?


71 posted on 10/26/2013 8:28:26 AM PDT by kabar
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Thanks anyway, Mr. O. We’ll continue to push for complete dismantling of ObamaCare. The lefties voted for it; we never said we wanted it, IF you remember.


72 posted on 10/26/2013 8:30:50 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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This is Alinsky positioning. It was designed to fail, so people would cry hoarsely for the pure socialism of “single-payer.” He projects his intention on conservatives, so they’ll get the blame for the problem he purposely created—so he’ll be able to ride in with the solution. The Final Solution, as it were.


73 posted on 10/26/2013 8:32:42 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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Of course we're rooting for obamacare to be a failure. Duh! We believe (rightly - common sense, history, and the Constitution are all on our side) that obamacare is un-American, goes against the principles this Country was founded upon, and that it will ultimately be very very bad for America and for us citizens.

So of course we are rooting for it to be a failure. Not only that, in my own small way I'm working against it. I'm telling all my family and friends how bad it is, why it is bad, and how unbelievably expensive and shabby the coverage is within it.

74 posted on 10/26/2013 8:33:20 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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Just as we’d root for hitlers failure. Consistent...


77 posted on 10/26/2013 8:38:15 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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I bet there were some Germans rooting for Hitler’s failure too.


80 posted on 10/26/2013 8:41:34 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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All that had to be done to achieve this “marketplace” would be to allow insurance companies to advertise their rates openly— to compete for customers. Now as to the driving force— make sure the laws allow insurance to be sold across state lines, anywhere in the country. Third, if there is to be a “mandate”-— make the premiums paid for health insurance deductible just like they are for any company or corporation for their employees. Let individuals deduct the premium.

Remember when conumber credit card interest was deductible? Wrong thing to do . Get people insured and save them money doing it by deducting the premium— right thing to do.

But NOOOOO, we have to spend a billion dollars on an exchange listing run by the government (for those with internet connections btw) to introduce people to the private insurers-— an absolute idiotic idea, unless your goal is to break the system and put in total govt. healthcare. Which it is.


83 posted on 10/26/2013 8:44:07 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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Don’t cry Barry.


84 posted on 10/26/2013 8:45:06 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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Okay. But that is how our government works. It is called checks and balances it is supposed to keep everyone honest.

Can we completely rely on the Democrats and the Democrat friendly press to tell the truth about Obamacare? Absolutely not!!!

88 posted on 10/26/2013 8:52:49 AM PDT by dhs12345
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Wow!! After reading these remarks, we should redouble our efforts to “reach across the aisle” and work with these BA$TARDS. /sarc off


91 posted on 10/26/2013 8:56:27 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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We’re not rooting for its failure, so much as were trying to hasten its obvious end result and get it over with.


93 posted on 10/26/2013 9:03:39 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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Yes, we are SOCIALISM is crap!


94 posted on 10/26/2013 9:08:19 AM PDT by JSDude1 (Is John Boehner the Neville Chamberlain of American Politics?)
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