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Boeing, Lockheed team up for new US Air Force bomber
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Posted on 10/25/2013 5:27:29 PM PDT by Java4Jay

The air force has two programs, the B-1 and the B-2, aimed at replacing the aging B-52s but they were wracked with heavy cost overruns. The air force only bought 20 of Northrop Grumman's B-2s, the newest long-range bomber in its fleet.

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KEYWORDS: aerospace; boeing; defensespending; usaf
The cost of each plane is about $550 million, putting the total value of the program if all 100 planes are built at $55 billion. Deliveries are due to begin in the mid 2020s, "before the current aging fleet goes out of service.
1 posted on 10/25/2013 5:27:29 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: Java4Jay

25 or less will be built at $1.5 billion each. Mostly due to requirements changes and cutbacks in numbers bought.


2 posted on 10/25/2013 5:40:56 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Java4Jay

I’d rather we develop orbital capability and implement “rods from God”. It’s quick, cannot be interdicted, and it’s very powerful without being radioactive.


3 posted on 10/25/2013 5:42:30 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: Java4Jay

IOW, about the cost of the Obamacare website that doesn’t work.


4 posted on 10/25/2013 5:46:58 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Java4Jay

We need a non-stealthy heavy bomber for theaters like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Basic Boeing airframe and engines.

Big payload.

Why not modify the 747?

Fly it high, and put a lot of anti-MANPAD countermeasures on it.

That ought to do it in about 50% of the places we need to bomb to smithereens.


5 posted on 10/25/2013 5:57:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If you like the website, you'll love the healthcare!)
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To: zot

Bring back the B-47 or DH-4 will probably be the solution. No, they will confiscate all of the currently flying WWII bombers and call that the “new” USAF bomber force.


6 posted on 10/25/2013 6:23:28 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Uncle Miltie

>>>Why not modify the 747?

Fly it high, and put a lot of anti-MANPAD countermeasures on it.<<<

Do you REALLY think 747 is any vulnerable to manpads at service ceiling even without countermeasures?:-)


7 posted on 10/25/2013 6:25:29 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Uncle Miltie

They had a concept 747 cruise missile bomber back in the day. It carried around 100 cruise missiles in rotary launchers and they dropped of a rail in the tail section.

Not many air defenses can handle 100 cruise missiles coming at it.


8 posted on 10/25/2013 6:25:32 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: Uncle Miltie; Java4Jay; zot

Great bombers converted from passenger planes in the past:

Douglas B-18 Bolo (DC-3)
Junkers Ju-52
Heinkel H-111 (transport built to be a bomber)
Lockheed Hudson (Lockheed Super Electra)
Focke Wulf FW-200 Condor
Bristol Blenheim Mk I - IV (began as Bristol Blenheim private transport)

And these are off the top of my head. More research needed.


9 posted on 10/25/2013 6:30:50 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Uncle Miltie

And currently most attacks are with precision standoff weapons, launched from distances at least 40nm, up to 1000 nm. Saturation bombing with Mk 82’s are mostly for area battlefield and softening up an area where air superiority has been acheived and defenses have been sufficiently suppressed.


10 posted on 10/25/2013 7:18:59 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: Java4Jay

what they should do is used the fuselage of the b-1 bomber it has a larger bombbay than the B52 and give it fixed wings like a su-27 fixed wings will be cheaper to build fairly stealthy with more bombs than a b52.


11 posted on 10/25/2013 7:28:41 PM PDT by joegoeny
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To: Java4Jay

The O’Bomber ?


12 posted on 10/25/2013 7:30:47 PM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: Java4Jay
Some kinda bullcrap.

These Bozos know that current non-stealthy designs are more than enough for 90% of any future conflicts.

The remaining 10% are potential foes who will be able to defeat stealth by the time these could be fielded. Roosha already has anti-stealth radars, just not many of them. In 20 years stealth will be 'yesterday's technology'.

13 posted on 10/25/2013 7:32:55 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: GreyFriar

I’m sure they can find some kind of bombers in the boneyard and brush off the desert dust.


14 posted on 10/25/2013 9:14:42 PM PDT by zot
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To: diogenes ghost

” In 20 years stealth will be ‘yesterday’s technology’. “

From an engineering standpoint, it already is. The Air Force runs our intelligence agencies outside the CIA, so if they want to spend big bucks on airplanes they get to.


15 posted on 10/27/2013 1:33:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Looking at the P-8 Poseidon/B737 it seems not unreal to use a civil aircraft as a bomber.

I would prefer 4 engines like on B747 but the B747 is to much aircraft according to volume to move small and heavy things.

There is only one other aircraft available: the A340. Especially the A340-500HGW. This aircraft was used for the longest commercial flight in civil aviation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A340#A340-500

A military version of the A330/340 is already available with complete aerial refueling equipment A330-MRTT. The A340 could be three things: bomber, tanker and cargo aircraft. The tanker and cargo option is already available.

I dislike two engines for such long operations. With one engine out you are out. - F-35 come to my mind ...-


16 posted on 10/28/2013 2:10:36 AM PDT by MHalblaub ("Easy my friends, when it comes to the point it is only a drawing made by a non believing Dane...")
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