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A Roman puppet senate revived?
October 25,2013 | self vanity

Posted on 10/25/2013 7:41:22 AM PDT by mdmathis6

I think I’m starting to understand something I hadn’t realized about the senate and Obamacare.


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I think I’m starting to understand something I hadn’t realized. Reid and his senate were uncomfortable about passing legislation that would delay Obamacare but they are not uncomfortable sending 10 senators to ask Obama to tyrannically implement a delay without having to pass covering legislation. They want political cover that the Pubbies didn’t want to give them so now they go quietly to the president, hoping that the blame for this turkey turd will fall squarely on the president.

Perhaps if the Republicans had passed a bill specifically ALLOWING Obama to directly delay legislation IF HE SO CHOSE(the key enabling ego saving phrase), the Senate might have gone along with it. Then Obama might have hemmed and hawed then signed it. Then a few weeks later, he would have made a statement about troubled systems and economical concerns...then ISSUED A COMMAND (via executive order) to delay the legislation.

It’s about EGO and power with this president. Boehner might be wise to present a nonbinding resolution up for vote in SUPPORT of these 10 Senators in seeking a delay. It might get done what the shut down didn’t get done!

Comments, criticisms? Lets discuss...

1 posted on 10/25/2013 7:41:22 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6

Very interesting hypothesis. I agree, it would be a good strategy for Boehner to move quickly on some form of non-combative legislation but I highly doubt the smallr-republicans will do any such thing. They’re too busy brushing up the nap on the red carpet, welcoming 12 million illegals as well as devising strategies to crush the Tea Party to do anything sensible.


2 posted on 10/25/2013 7:47:24 AM PDT by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: mdmathis6

At this point, I am personally convinced there are only two Senators there that actually have the best interests of this country at heart. The rest in my opinion are backstabbing, entrenched duplicitous liars who are only concerned about their personal Senate Country Club and the opulent lifestyle that goes with.

Only hope is to further consolidate our hold on the House and INCREASE. This is, of course, concurrent with a removal of Boehner, Cantor and all the rest of the RINO traitors there.


3 posted on 10/25/2013 7:50:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: mdmathis6
Using Boehner and wise in the same sentence could possibly make some here think your post should be tagged as sarcasm.
4 posted on 10/25/2013 7:50:58 AM PDT by Tupelo ( Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. An old Republican Tradition.)
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To: mdmathis6

They just want to hold on to their lands and slaves!


5 posted on 10/25/2013 7:53:45 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: mdmathis6

you’re absolutely right. Reading Roman history, this is exactly how Augustus obtained and wielded his authority. We’re going down the same path.

In the short term this is going to be very bad, as we are likely to have a string of incompetent emperors, before all this settles out.


6 posted on 10/25/2013 7:57:26 AM PDT by delapaz
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To: Tupelo

I did personally throw up in my mouth a little bit as I considered the comparison you describe but sometimes a stopped clock can be right at least twice a day.


7 posted on 10/25/2013 7:58:37 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: PeteePie

If the internecine fighting in the Republican party has gotten that bad, it might be wise for Tea Party conservative types to leave that particular Babylon, like the well worn whore she has become! Better for our very souls, even if temporal circumstances won’t go well for us!


8 posted on 10/25/2013 8:03:05 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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No. Obama is nothing. He’s Harry Reid’s masters’ puppet.

Yes, Harry wants to use him to protect his minions but he has no concern for Obama’s ego- it’s just better politics.


9 posted on 10/25/2013 8:03:30 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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Puppet Senate indeed.

Governor Tarkin: The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.
General Tagge: But that’s impossible! How will the Emperor maintain control without the bureaucracy?
Governor Tarkin: The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line.

10 posted on 10/25/2013 8:03:43 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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And we’ll know we’re really following the Roman model when BO engineers an appointment for his horse for an empty Senate seat.

Or was that John Kerry?


11 posted on 10/25/2013 8:03:47 AM PDT by Stosh
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On the evening the Senate of the United States voted to effectively assign its power of the purse to President Obama, I thought it appropriate to call up an earlier age.

Throughout the imperial period, the Roman emperors kept up the façade of republicanism. They pretended to consult the Senate and be guided by its votes. The Senate in turn, pretended it had a will of its own.

From The Annals and The Histories of the second century historian P. Cornelius Tacitus:

"Tiberius, in the meantime, while securing to himself the substance of imperial power, allowed the Senate some shadow of its old constitution."

"So corrupted indeed and debased was that age by sycophancy that not only the foremost citizens who were forced to save their grandeur by servility, but every exconsul, most of the ex-praetors and a host of inferior senators would rise in eager rivalry to propose shameful and preposterous motions. Tradition says that Tiberius as often as he left the Senate-House used to exclaim in Greek, “How ready these men are to be slaves.” Clearly, even he, with his dislike of public freedom, was disgusted at the abject abasement of his creatures."

"The higher a man’s rank, the more eager his hypocrisy."

"Laws were most numerous when the commonwealth was most corrupt."

"How few were left who had seen the republic."

12 posted on 10/25/2013 8:07:06 AM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Stosh

Obama doesn’t have a horse.

But he might try to get a Senate seat for his girly-cycle.


13 posted on 10/25/2013 8:07:19 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Stosh

Americans have been electing ‘Horse’s Asses’ to the Senate for decades.


14 posted on 10/25/2013 8:07:56 AM PDT by sjmjax (HE)
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To: delapaz
Reading Roman history, this is exactly how Augustus obtained and wielded his authority. We’re going down the same path.

I'm thinking we're at the point where Tiberius has lost interest in running the empire and has turned over actuall day to day administration to Sejanus who is now attempting to rule by intimidation and terror.

Hmmm. I wonder who the modern analogs of Tiberius and Sejanus might be?

15 posted on 10/25/2013 8:10:19 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Dr. Ursus

They might be lucky if what they have left is a bit of “KY” jelly with which to receive their government “largess” with!


16 posted on 10/25/2013 8:13:50 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Paine in the Neck

We’re not there yet, we’re still in the early phase before Augustus/Octavian or even Julius.

We’ll get a Sulla first and go through periods of civil war. so that by the end of it we will be glad to have an emperor, as long as he’s a competent and popular one, just to end the bloodshed.

So yeah, we’re still in the early phase, but Obama is now setting the precedent that a president can alter the law at a whim. This precedent will prove useful for future emperors.

Ave Imperator!


17 posted on 10/25/2013 8:16:29 AM PDT by delapaz
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To: Alex Murphy

“Fear of this battle station” You for got to add.

In this case it may well be drones and tactical nukes!


18 posted on 10/25/2013 8:16:47 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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Ted Cruz filibustered for 21 hours to STOP OR DELAY OBAMACARE, BUT OBAMA WOULDN'T BUDGE.. Ted Cruz is vindicated!!

19 posted on 10/25/2013 8:19:31 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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Appease an egotist? Approve the issuance of presidential dictates? Invalidate equal protection by legislation? Don’t we have enough of that going on already?

When the appearance of cowardice is given the substance of law, it is cowardice. We don’t need any more of that. We need combat, not appeasement.


20 posted on 10/25/2013 8:28:29 AM PDT by trubolotta
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