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Nobel Laureate: World Needs “Secular Ten Commandments” and Universal Values
The New American ^ | 23 October 2013 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 10/24/2013 8:41:59 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer

Old utopians may die, but utopianism never does fade away. While speaking at a summit of Nobel Peace Prize winners in Warsaw on Monday, Nobel Laureate and former Polish president Lech Walesa added Modern-day Moses of Magog to his résumé, advocating a “secular Ten Commandments” as a basis for universal values. Said Walesa, “We need to agree on common values for all religions as soon as possible, a kind of secular Ten Commandments on which we will build the world of tomorrow,” reports France 24.

Ah, “build the world of tomorrow.” Somehow that reminds me of WWI being “the war to end all wars” or, to cite intended fiction, the paternalistic android in an old Star Trek episode that summed up his purpose in dominating man by saying, “And you will be happy … and controlled.” Captain Kirk was not amused.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: commandments; religion; universal; walesa
Very unusual and intriguing article.
1 posted on 10/24/2013 8:41:59 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer

“We need to agree on common values for all religions as soon as possible

Uhh, HOW in the WORLD does any OTHER religion find “common values” WITH ISLAM????

CHRISTIANITY helped this idiot kick out the Russians


2 posted on 10/24/2013 8:45:28 AM PDT by ZULU (Impeach that Bastard Barrack Hussein Obama)
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To: Paladins Prayer

If the progressives rewrote them all the “though shalt not” commandments would be modified with “unless you’re sure you can get away with it”.


3 posted on 10/24/2013 8:46:27 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

OOPS! That’s THOU shalt not.


4 posted on 10/24/2013 8:47:17 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Paladins Prayer

The Muslims won’t want the one that says, “Thou shalt not kill.” The Leftists won’t want “Thou shalt not steal.” The pagans of all stripes won’t want “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”

So they will only have Seven Commandments, and most will require governments to make life “fair” for the victim classes, most of whom have problems that are caused by the actions of governments.


5 posted on 10/24/2013 8:49:24 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Paladins Prayer

Persecution of Christians has arrived once again.

John 15:18 - If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.


6 posted on 10/24/2013 8:50:56 AM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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To: Paladins Prayer

And just who decides?

Who will “enforce” these “guidelines?”


7 posted on 10/24/2013 8:51:50 AM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
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To: txrefugee

You can walk through the commandments and show that the left is diametrically in opposition to every one of them.


8 posted on 10/24/2013 8:52:37 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Paladins Prayer
"Thou shalt not covet thy gay neighbor's butt buddies? "

"Thou shalt not covet thy muslim neighbor's 9 year old wife...or his favorite goat."

9 posted on 10/24/2013 8:56:13 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: ZULU
CHRISTIANITY helped this idiot kick out the Russians

Also, in the 1650's Christianity helped kick out the Muslims out of Poland, after 300 years of torture and slavery. This loon doesn't know his own history.

10 posted on 10/24/2013 8:56:20 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Parmy

He’s a good example of a person who has risen to the level of his own incompetence.

He was a shipyard electrician, and he’d do well to stick to talking about wiring.


11 posted on 10/24/2013 8:58:51 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: Paladins Prayer

Walesa is another Satan. The purpose of the Ten Commandment is to lead us to God, not build a better world. These utopian pushes always result in death.


12 posted on 10/24/2013 8:59:59 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

“Walesa is another Satan. The purpose of the Ten Commandment is to lead us to God, not build a better world. These utopian pushes always result in death.”

Excellent reply!

Almighty God wrote the 10 commandments. To re-write them is to usurp God’s position as God and put yourself in His place. Always a bad move. God will not be mocked.

Praise Jesus!


13 posted on 10/24/2013 9:10:07 AM PDT by Tomato lover ( Jesus is Lord of all)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Utopianism is a childish dream that doesn’t take into consideration individuality and can only be implemented through tyranny.


14 posted on 10/24/2013 9:10:37 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Paladins Prayer

The secular 10 commandments have to be based on the biblical 10 commandments or they won’t work.

Lech should know that from his association with JPII.


15 posted on 10/24/2013 9:19:40 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Paladins Prayer

And what possible objective foundation could you have for a “secular” 10 commandments?


16 posted on 10/24/2013 9:22:49 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Paladins Prayer
First off, one of my favorite quotes that relates to this issue:
"The world is trying the experiment of attempting to form a civilized but non-Christian mentality. The experiment will fail; but we must be very patient in awaiting its collapse; meanwhile redeeming the time; so that the Faith may be preserved alive through the dark ages before us; to renew and rebuild civilization, and to save the world from suicide."
T.S. Eliot, Christianity and Culture

Now with that out of the way to indicate my overall attitude toward this I do want to note that Walensa is actually bringing up a simpleton version of Natural Law which we all understand in different manners.

Many conservatives note that there is an enduring Order, one from God and one of man.

If God's enduring laws are reflected in public society, that reflection can be termed, Natural Law -- or, in other words, the civil law framework where believers in agreement can find common ground to write secular law without haveing to make a Theocracy.

It is even like saying we are a Christian nation when we mean Judeo-Christian in general and not a nation with an Established church. It indicates that our laws and government going to have a common Natural Law basis that agrees with western christendom.

What is outside that tradition, and what Walsensa may be awkwardly be refering to, is Islam and certain other beliefs that do not hold to the same core values or commandments.

Now, I certainly realize that we could have a hundred pages of controversy on "natural law" as to what it means under what uses and abuses, but the one aspect I cite is not all that obscure or off base. Walensa is to be respected most for what he did to break the communist stranglehold, he is not a great philospher or statesman.

17 posted on 10/24/2013 9:26:21 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.h)
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18 posted on 10/24/2013 9:27:49 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Paladins Prayer

The ORIGINAL 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE ALL THAT MAN NEEDS.


19 posted on 10/24/2013 9:35:19 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Paladins Prayer

Trekkies already ahead of you, Lech. It,s the Prime Directive. Best seen in action ‘StarTeek, Voyager’.


20 posted on 10/24/2013 9:46:32 AM PDT by IDFbunny
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To: Paladins Prayer
Genesis 1 For Atheists
21 posted on 10/24/2013 10:17:44 AM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
The ORIGINAL 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE ALL THAT MAN NEEDS.

Not quite true.

As Jesus taught us, the law is heartbreakingly and eternally beyond our reach without the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit.

22 posted on 10/24/2013 10:19:49 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: RoosterRedux

Of course but we were simply talking about an atheistic version of the Ten Commandments. All man needs are the Ten that GOD gave to us. We also need to follow the teachings of CHRIST and pray for the presence of the Holy Spirit.


23 posted on 10/24/2013 10:31:10 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I thought the Atheistic Commandments were

From each according to his ability.
To each according to his needs.


24 posted on 10/24/2013 10:32:27 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Paladins Prayer

Whoa, Betty! This means they acknowledge that without Biblical values they are lost, and therefore, must make up their own.


25 posted on 10/24/2013 10:41:31 AM PDT by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: RoosterRedux

LMAO!!


26 posted on 10/24/2013 10:41:52 AM PDT by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: Paladins Prayer; All

Yeah, the wisdom, authority and commandments of secularism has worked out so well in places like North Korea, China, the Soviet Union, etc. ad nauseum. 100 million happy corpses would doubtless agree.


27 posted on 10/24/2013 11:05:14 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: dfwgator
That's the Marxist Commandment.

The atheists commandment is probably the same as that of the Satanists (per Aleister Crowley)...

"Do as thou wilt."

28 posted on 10/24/2013 11:08:17 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing -- Socrates)
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To: dfwgator

That is the biggie! :-)


29 posted on 10/24/2013 11:37:18 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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