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Charges possible for Boy Scouts leaders who toppled Utah rock formation
Fox News ^ | October 19, 2013 | FoxNews, AP

Posted on 10/19/2013 8:26:20 AM PDT by BeadCounter

A group of Boy Scouts leaders may face criminal charges after purposely knocking over an ancient Utah desert rock formation and posting a video of the incident online, authorities say

The men were leading a group of 14 to 16-year-old Boy Scouts on a trip to Goblin Valley State Park when they said they noticed the top of the rock formation was loose and feared it was dangerous.

"This is about saving lives," Dave Hall, who shot the video, told The Associated Press on Friday. "One rock at a time."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; utah
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Heard about this, amazed me the Scouts were involved. Not sure if I buy that the rock formation looked "loose", it was there for millions of years.
1 posted on 10/19/2013 8:26:20 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter
If the kid could dislodge the rock, it's possible that it would eventually dislodge itself...seems it moved when touched.

As dumb as it MAY seem....he may have done a good deed.

2 posted on 10/19/2013 8:30:10 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: BeadCounter
"What difference, at this point, does it make!?" The BSA now have Mr. Armstrong and Canteen Boy.


3 posted on 10/19/2013 8:30:52 AM PDT by twister881
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To: BeadCounter

Yes, these rocks are cool. But they are simple sandstone, maybe a few thousand years old, and would eventually fall by themselves.

We need a little perspective on this. Notice how we kill over 3000 babies a day without blinking, but we’re getting all excited about some rocks. Time to shake ourselves and look around.


4 posted on 10/19/2013 8:31:07 AM PDT by lurk
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To: BeadCounter

5 posted on 10/19/2013 8:34:34 AM PDT by Daffynition (*In memory of FReeper Blackie. God rest his *Hooligan* soul.*)
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To: Sacajaweau

I think the correct response would be to keep the kids off the rocks in that case.


6 posted on 10/19/2013 8:34:41 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: BeadCounter

It was pushed over pretty easily.

I have been reading psyco liberal fascists saying they should be shot, jailed for 25 years, etc...

This outrage is more Earth worship from urbanites who use it to spew their hate.

It was a boulder sitting on a mound of dirt.


7 posted on 10/19/2013 8:34:58 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: lurk

This is a State Park and chances are that if Utah totally regulated their own abortion laws, there may well be NO abortion in Utah.


8 posted on 10/19/2013 8:35:36 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: twister881

In Vino, Veritas, I imagine.


9 posted on 10/19/2013 8:35:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: lurk

Yeah, I rob houses in my neighborhood, and I think it’s OK, because other people are murdering babies, which is worse.

Moral relativism comes to FR.


10 posted on 10/19/2013 8:36:03 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

Given the lack of decent role models, sadly the correct response seems to be to keep your kids out of the Boy Scouts these days.


11 posted on 10/19/2013 8:36:15 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: BeadCounter

I saw the rock they moved- it was amazing that it stayed up there this long if it was able to be moved that easily

it did actually wiggle from not too hard of a push it really could have fallen and hurt someone


12 posted on 10/19/2013 8:36:36 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: lurk

Apparently a bit older than thousands of years according to the article:

“The rock formation is about 170 million years old, Utah State Parks spokesman Eugene Swalberg said. The park in central Utah is dotted with thousands of the eerie, mushroom shaped sandstone formations.”


13 posted on 10/19/2013 8:37:27 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter

The horror.


14 posted on 10/19/2013 8:37:59 AM PDT by gettinolder
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To: BeadCounter

Where’s the video ?


15 posted on 10/19/2013 8:38:47 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: BeadCounter

Good. I say proper punishment is for them to put it back like it was - hand-tools only.


16 posted on 10/19/2013 8:39:02 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: lurk
But they are simple sandstone, maybe a few thousand years old, and would eventually fall by themselves.

Correct. Find a picture of them from 25 years ago and notice the change today.

17 posted on 10/19/2013 8:40:11 AM PDT by cotton
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To: ifinnegan

“It was a boulder sitting on a mound of dirt.”

A lot of people go to see those boulders. Any of natures wonders can be reduced to simplistic terms as you have here.


18 posted on 10/19/2013 8:41:49 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: babble-on

I believe they were highlighting the dichotomy, not comparing them for excusal.


19 posted on 10/19/2013 8:42:13 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: BeadCounter

Good. The idiots should be charged. Mind-boggling that “Scouts” would be responsible such an innately disrespectful and vandalous act, which thoroughly goes against their entire code. But then again, since the BSA caved like abject cowards to the deviant homo lobby, it’s not like I have much regard for the damned organization left.


20 posted on 10/19/2013 8:42:43 AM PDT by greene66
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To: BeadCounter

I don’t think the attacks are because of the rock. I think they’re against the Boy Scouts. They’re attempt at destroying them with gay infiltration didn’t work as well as they anticipated.


21 posted on 10/19/2013 8:42:44 AM PDT by albie
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To: BeadCounter

Idiots! Charge and fine them to the hilt.

Video - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2465897/Ancient-Goblin-Valley-rock-toppled-Boy-Scout-leaders.html


22 posted on 10/19/2013 8:44:05 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: twister881

Actually, for the record, when the BSA revised their “gay” policy some months ago, one of the troops that immediately violated the rules and marched in a “Pride Parade” was in Utah. Have to add, there was a Crusader came from I believe Idaho who may well have spurred that troop to do that. So, we never know, maybe there is a chance, that troop could have done this.


23 posted on 10/19/2013 8:44:19 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: lurk

Notice how we kill over 3000 babies a day without blinking, but we’re getting all excited about some rocks”

...POST OF THE DAY!!!


24 posted on 10/19/2013 8:45:02 AM PDT by albie
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To: ifinnegan; Revolting cat!
I have been reading psyco liberal fascists saying they should be shot, jailed for 25 years, etc... This outrage is more Earth worship from urbanites who use it to spew their hate.

"Rocks have rights too!"

25 posted on 10/19/2013 8:45:24 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: rockrr

“Good. I say proper punishment is for them to put it back like it was - hand-tools only.”

Agreed.

Put it back as it was or sit in jail until someone else does it for you at your expense.
*ALL* vandals should be made sever examples of. Singapore has about the right idea: cane the crap out of them, let ‘em sit in jail for a few days or weeks, make them restore it and then fine ‘em enough that they are never going to do such a thing again.


26 posted on 10/19/2013 8:46:26 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Revolting cat!
If it saves the life of one coyote, it may have been worth it.


27 posted on 10/19/2013 8:47:48 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: BeadCounter

Well the earth is only 6000 years old, so I really don’t see how these rocks could be that much older.


28 posted on 10/19/2013 8:48:37 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: BeadCounter

Looks like it will be easy to put this big rock back where it was.

The adult speaking in the video sounds like a fairy.


29 posted on 10/19/2013 8:52:53 AM PDT by old-ager
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

The Grand Canyon—it’s just a hole in the ground! Niagara Falls? Just a lot of water going over a cliff!


30 posted on 10/19/2013 8:54:13 AM PDT by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: albie

Yeah, and mine is POST OF THE DAY too, this is a State Park, Utah may well have NO abortions if the individual statets regulated abortion.

That kind of reasoning per forest fires? Huh?


31 posted on 10/19/2013 8:54:31 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter

Once the Mormon religion became supportive, the gay thing was a done deal, Bishop Romney had pushed the idea since the early 90s.


32 posted on 10/19/2013 8:57:53 AM PDT by ansel12 (Don't be eyeballing those distant mountains boy, those are on federal land, and closed.)
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To: albie
People here riled up over this.

For sure some get more upset over rocks being toppled than abortions taking place.

Here in my state, when a flightseeing plane crashed into the side of a mountain, killing all five aboard, The U.S.F.S. required a special permit before rescue crews could go in and cut a few trees down so the helicopter could remove the bodies.

I don't have any sympathy for the earth worshipping types, especially when it comes to them rabidly demanding punishment for an incident like this....

33 posted on 10/19/2013 9:01:24 AM PDT by gettinolder
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To: BeadCounter

“The rock formation is about 170 million years old, Utah State Parks spokesman Eugene Swalberg said. The park in central Utah is dotted with thousands of the eerie, mushroom shaped sandstone formations.”

The rock formation may very well be that old, however it changes every day. Gravity takes it’s toll... With so little support, this particular rock was going down, be it seismic or an animal leaning against it.

To suggest that this rock had been sitting there in that condition is disingenuous.


34 posted on 10/19/2013 9:03:47 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: BeadCounter

If you could type in English with complete thoughts and sentences it would be helpful.


35 posted on 10/19/2013 9:04:25 AM PDT by albie
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To: BeadCounter

How can there be charges — they said they did it for the children.


36 posted on 10/19/2013 9:06:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: albie

It’s not my fault if you can’t read.


37 posted on 10/19/2013 9:08:50 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: ansel12

The rock could have fallen and killed a gay person. It was best to move the rock.


38 posted on 10/19/2013 9:09:36 AM PDT by donhunt (Certified and proud "Son of a Bitch".)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

A lot of people go to see them. Including the ones who pushed one over. They were there, unlike the outraged mob.

My point is this is being used by the left based on outrage of liberals who generally aren’t the types going to see such things.

It’s a scam and hyped up.

I am not addressing their actions.

Do you think they should go to prison?


39 posted on 10/19/2013 9:10:01 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: gettinolder

It is your judgement this is “earth worshipping”. Your assumption.


40 posted on 10/19/2013 9:10:54 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: gettinolder

Did you see the video? These aren’t scouts or even men. They’ve obese, crude thugs.They’re also liars by their high fives you can see this was for fun....nothing to do with kids safety. I’m sure this isn’t the first time they’ve been in handcuffs.


41 posted on 10/19/2013 9:11:27 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: BeadCounter

Regardless of how well meaning these men were, they defaced something they should never have touched. I don’t know if criminal charges are appropriate, but they should at least banned from state parks for a long time.


42 posted on 10/19/2013 9:11:27 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: BeadCounter

I would enjoy it if these scouts were attacked by giant ants, but that happened in New Mexico.


43 posted on 10/19/2013 9:11:52 AM PDT by Lockbar ("WWVTID?": What Would Vlad The Impaler Do?)
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To: BeadCounter
Who gives a flying s*** about pile of rocks.

"Oh but they're so pretty."

This type of idiotic sentimentalism is why we're allowing farmers and landowners property to be decimated protecting biologically obsolete animals and even PLANTS.

44 posted on 10/19/2013 9:13:53 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Blackirish

They thought they were being so cool, weren’t they?


45 posted on 10/19/2013 9:14:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ifinnegan

“Do you think they should go to prison?”

No I don’t think they should go to prison. I think they should clean the outhouses in that park for one year. They could also put up a sign telling people what they did and how they are making amends. Then the people using said outhouses could show them the appropriate appreciation.


46 posted on 10/19/2013 9:15:39 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: BeadCounter

95% of the USS Constitution has been replaced. Very little of the original ship exists on the ship itself.

If visitors had determined the ship’s future based on their own fears, Old Ironsides would probably be at the bottom of Boston Harbor.

The proper thing for the BSA “leaders” to have done would’ve been to notify the state park of the danger (if any). At this point, we only have the word of the destructive scout leaders to go by.


47 posted on 10/19/2013 9:17:46 AM PDT by moovova
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To: moovova

On the list of “Lamest Excuses Ever”, their excuse for pushing the rock over, would be near the top.


48 posted on 10/19/2013 9:18:46 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BeadCounter

To add to my post, I’ve hiked the trails in Utah. Took lots of photos of the hoodoos and such. This kind of vandalism and disrespect burns me up. The whole pathetic attitude and mindset it represents. Just like when some idiot poisons and kills a historic tree, or torches the governor’s mansion, here in Texas. Don’t dismiss it all as just some liberal, eco-freak kind of outrage.


49 posted on 10/19/2013 9:19:34 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Sunshine Sister

Your post is a winner, if thousands of people go through and never touch it, then, these folks shouldn’t have either. If you have a concern tell the Ranger. These guys in toppling the rocks could have been hurt themselves. Then whose fault it is it? The State of Utah may well then be liable.


50 posted on 10/19/2013 9:20:44 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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