Posted on 10/17/2013 8:45:51 AM PDT by ComtedeMaistre
Governor Rick Perry was once alleged to have stated that Texas could secede in the future. But he now states he opposes succession:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2012/11/13/rick-perry-texas-secession-petition/1702359/
If the different states were to become different nations, the federal government would cease to exist. That means that the federal debt would be reduced to Zero. But the price that Americans would pay, would be the loss of super power status. Would Americans be better off or worse off, if the states were to become different countries?
If an individual state was to seceed, or one state here and one state there.....
No.
Look for the USA to break-up down the road.
You mean idealistic patriotic citizen foot soldiers for largess in the North willing to go fight somebody with a gun? Let me stop laughing about that for a minute......I’ll get back to you
Secession is legal, if the consent of the other states is gained and expressed through amendment or through Congress.
Absent that it is not secession but rather insurrection, and I have no doubt that the mismatch between US military power and any insurrection would be greater now than in 1865.
NE states will never agree to the land and oil rich states leaving and taking their assets with them.
The US government is so over-burdened with debt, size, and ideology, it is frozen in amber. Radical change would simply mean collapse.
I honestly don't think they could even if they wanted to, in this day and age where everybody can take and send video. They first couple times a video leaked of them shelling a school and killing women and children (either by accident or intentionally) there would be a huge backlash not only in the world community by even in the "northern" states they rely on to support the war to end the hostilities and negotiate.
Not only that, but a Civil War II would look nothing like 1861 to 1865 with nice orderly lines of uniformed soldiers marching around, it would look more like the Libyan/Syrian Civil war or even the Iraqi Insurgency, where the combatants can ambush a convoy or base and then blend in with the populace.
No. If that happened, Washington would use nukes against the rogue states.
I see a constitutional convention which disbands the union and reforms it with a less liberal states.
That may be, or may not be, depending on the terms, but the legal requirement is for significant agreement, by enough to get 3/4 of the states for an amendment, or 2/3rds to get a treaty ratified by the Senate.
Simi Valley attempted so separate from the city of Los Angeles a few years ago. The ballot measure agreed that Simi Valley would pay $680 million to Los Angeles in the first few years after the separation.
It was voted down, but was close.
That may show the way to a deal, or it may show that the people considering secession just don’t want it bad enough.
The loss of being a Superpower is no longer a great loss.
3 more years of Obama and we will no longer be a Superpower, if indeed we are still one now.
A military filled with Combat women and queers and finances cut to the bone, dependent on technology to exist.
>>>I have no doubt that the mismatch between US military power and any insurrection would be greater now than in 1865
That may be true. But can the federal government get away with large-scale killing of people in the television, mobile phone, and youtube era?
I would hope that the fools supporting insurrection would not shell school, but they certainly are hotbeds of liberal indoctrination. Certainly the crazy people are more likely to do crazy things than people who are not crazy.
Yes.
And any credit rating. If the U.S. dissolves and repudiates the existing debt then there is little chance that the new entities will be able to borrow anywhere, even within its own borders.
I wish there were a movement to seccession. I would leave this rathole of a state and join it.
If you can’t win an election, you can’t get a good result from a convention.
We are talking about plans to achieve better things for our children right, not just another temper tantrum?
Go back to school and attend all of those math classes you skipped.
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