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Whispers: Might the House GOP Adjourn and Leave Town After Passing 'Final Offer'?
townhall.com ^ | 10/15/13 | Guy Benson

Posted on 10/15/2013 11:31:30 AM PDT by cotton1706

Lurking at the very bottom of Conn's summary of the House's (final?) counter-offer to the Senate is this intriguing nugget:

If the bill passes, House Republicans may adjourn leaving Senate Democrats and President Obama with a final take-it-or-leave-it offer. First, "if the bill passes" is an open question, though it's sounding like House Republicans have mostly rallied around the Speaker's plan. They opened their meeting this morning by singing "Amazing Grace," then telegraphed their next volley. Whether they have the votes to pass it without any Democratic support -- Pelosi will likely whip hard against it -- remains to be seen. But if it passes, might Boehner gavel the House closed, with members leaving town? Ramesh Ponnuru hears rumors:

This would be a highly risky take-it-or-leave-it strategy. The GOP would argue that they gave Senate Democrats everything they asked for in their latest deal, but added a delay of a job killing tax that 79 Senators have already voted to repeal altogether, as well as a somewhat stripped-down Vitter Amendment. This would force members of Congress, but not staffers, to forego the president's special subsidy carve-out. The bottom-line message: "We've agreed to Harry Reid's plan, plus a few small additions that the American people support. We've bent over backwards to accommodate the other side. We've done our jobs. And we're outta here." That...might work. But it also might add to the (largely unfair) perception that Republicans are the obstinate, unflinching actors in this crisis. Harry Reid is likely to say "stuff it" to the House-passed bill -- if it passes. That's been his consistent position on almost everything, no matter how reasonable. If we hit the technical default wall with Republicans effectively AWOL, I'm not so sure those optics would work well during the ensuing, intense blame-game. Especially since the drumbeat GOP critique of Democrats over the last few weeks has been that Obama & Co are unwilling to negotiate. At the moment, nothing is certain. Votes and coalitions are fluid. And the clock is ticking. Stay tuned.

UPDATE - A concession from Democrats? A tax delay that would have benefited Big Labor might be gone on the Senate side:

UPDATE II -The GOP may be (surprise!) divided on the "leave town" gambit:

UPDATE III - White House rejects the deal. Does Boehner even have the votes?

GOP leadership may be re-writing their counter-deal already, under pressure from conservatives. Shades of the "Plan B" fiscal cliff fiasco, which eventually resulted in a worse outcome for conservatives.

UPDATE IV - Reid angrily rejects the House GOP plan (such as it exists), even though it's not that different from his own. Chuck Todd:


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1 posted on 10/15/2013 11:31:30 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Great idea!


2 posted on 10/15/2013 11:32:44 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: cotton1706

After passing this surrender bill, they leave the lion’s den of Washington... straight into the arms of the base, who are mad as hell.


3 posted on 10/15/2013 11:33:24 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: cotton1706

Can a branch, Senate or House, adjourn without consent of the other branch? I know they can go
into recess but adjournment I’m not sure.

Maybe someone can explain......


4 posted on 10/15/2013 11:37:31 AM PDT by deport
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To: cotton1706
If we hit the technical default wall with Republicans effectively AWOL

Any article with the word 'default' used in any sense other than 'Debt ceiling does not equal default' is not worth reading.

5 posted on 10/15/2013 11:38:30 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Shut 'er down and leave it.)
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To: b4its2late

What have they been waiting for? They should have done this two weeks ago. There is no bargaining with radical Marxists bent on bringing this country down.


6 posted on 10/15/2013 11:41:06 AM PDT by lu shissler (ecause)
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To: cotton1706

If the GOP fails to kill Obamacare, they might as well go home.... and stay there.


7 posted on 10/15/2013 11:42:10 AM PDT by Gator113 (Ted Cruz is settled law.)
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To: b4its2late
It's not a great idea. It's a PR disaster.

What they should have done from the beginning is to publicly posture as seeking negotiations, and then offering little to nothing to the Communist-in-Chief in private.

"We've tried and tried to negotiate with the Democrats." Meanwhile, Obama and Reid's public position has been not to negotiate.

8 posted on 10/15/2013 11:42:51 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: deport

“Can a branch, Senate or House, adjourn without consent of the other branch? I know they can go
into recess but adjournment I’m not sure.

Maybe someone can explain......”

Not for more than three days. They would not adjourn because the president has the power to call them back, and he would love that!


9 posted on 10/15/2013 11:43:16 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: deport

The House and Senate control their own timetables.


10 posted on 10/15/2013 11:43:22 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: tnlibertarian
I guess the author doesn't know what "AWOL" means:

Absent With Out Leave

When the Speaker gavels the legislative session closed, House Members are On Leave.

11 posted on 10/15/2013 11:43:23 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: cotton1706

Do it!
Do it!
Do it!
Do it!


12 posted on 10/15/2013 11:44:07 AM PDT by Farnsworth ("The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness...This and no)
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To: cotton1706

Pelosi rejects the plan before she read it ??? Isn’t that what started this whole mess in the first place ???


13 posted on 10/15/2013 11:47:28 AM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: 11th_VA

Actually, they don’t have to do anything. Just adjourn. The Senate has tabled all of the appropriations bills. That puts everything in the Senate’s lap - either have the “catastrophe” of the fictional default, or fund the government without Obamacare. It’s that simple.


14 posted on 10/15/2013 11:49:02 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

What they should have done from the beginning is to publicly posture as seeking negotiations, and then offering little to nothing to the Communist-in-Chief in private.


I like your plan but the GOP should have also continued to pound on the Congressional subsidy and pushed for an individual mandate delay. They should have run some TV ads against vulnerable Dems. Reid went ballistic over the subsidy issue because he knew it was a winner for the GOP.

The GOP scoring points on offense would have reduced Dem appetite for this crisis. Under pressure they may have cut a deal more favorable to the GOP. Now a timid GOP leadership has fumbled away any chance of that.


15 posted on 10/15/2013 11:49:27 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: cotton1706

Thanks... I went to look it up...

Article 1,
Section Five:

Neither House, during the session of Congress, shall, without the consent of the other, adjourn for
more than three days, nor to any other place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei


16 posted on 10/15/2013 11:50:00 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport

But 3 days puts us pass the Armageddon deadline, so that could be a useful tactic.


17 posted on 10/15/2013 11:52:10 AM PDT by mrs9x
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To: cotton1706
Not for more than three days. They would not adjourn because the president has the power to call them back, and he would love that!

Yup. If they did this, the Senate would simply reject the House plan, send its plan to the House, and Obama would convene the House. Skipping town accomplishes nothing when Obama can just call them back.

18 posted on 10/15/2013 11:53:15 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: b4its2late

Name it to the church house door and run!


19 posted on 10/15/2013 11:56:11 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: mrs9x; All

It it my opinion that the RINOs and tea party folks know something awful about this administration-something they cannot say to the public -yet. Not sure what it is, but they are trying harder then usual to stay the course. It remains to be seen if someone leaks whatever it is...hard to believe it is just about the obivious. Are the teaparty folks that powerful that they can sway a majority of the party or is this smoke and mirrors...this is very odd.


20 posted on 10/15/2013 11:56:36 AM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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This whole thing is stupid. There is basically no real difference that matters in either of these proposals. They are arguing over drape colors in a burning house.

At this point, just pass something, kick the can and take it to the American People and win more seats.

The House bill is basically the same bill, they aren’t arguing over anything that is going to make a difference compared to trillions of dollars of debt.

It would be one thing if there were huge gulfs in the bills, but there isn’t.

This last squabble, is, literally, pointless.


21 posted on 10/15/2013 11:56:49 AM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: mrs9x; cotton1706

Article 2

Section 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union,
and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and
expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them,
and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment,
he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors
and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed,
and shall commission all the officers of the United States.


22 posted on 10/15/2013 11:58:01 AM PDT by deport
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To: lodi90
They should have run some TV ads against vulnerable Dems. Reid went ballistic over the subsidy issue because he knew it was a winner for the GOP.

You're right. You'd think they could find a strategist somewhere with a clue.

23 posted on 10/15/2013 11:58:53 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: cotton1706

Luke 9:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 And He said to them, “Take nothing for the journey, neither staffs nor bag nor bread nor money; and do not have two tunics apiece.

4 “Whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And whoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet as a testimony against them.”


24 posted on 10/15/2013 12:00:17 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: b4its2late

The sooner they get home and listen to us, the better.


25 posted on 10/15/2013 12:06:28 PM PDT by grania
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To: cotton1706
1) Republicans adjourn the House.

2) Democrats show up and unanimously "deem" that a quorum is present.

3) They pass Obama's agenda.

4) Reid exercises nuclear option and quickly passes the bill in the Senate.

5) Obama signs it, and tells Boehner "It's done. Whatcha gonna do about it, beoch?"

26 posted on 10/15/2013 12:12:50 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: cotton1706

Hary Reid may find his “No Negotiations” rallying cry coming back to haunt him.


27 posted on 10/15/2013 12:16:03 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: deport
There's also Article II section 3, about the President
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
Don't bet Obama would not re-convene the House and send armed officers to hunt down the Repubs and fetch them.
28 posted on 10/15/2013 12:17:49 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: seeker41

The TEA Party pressure on the process simply comes from the will of the People. You and me plus many others.


29 posted on 10/15/2013 12:18:44 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Well they have been sending bills bover ecause they were scared Reid would say they are doing nothing and spending bills originate in House etc.

The root proble is not whether they sat and waited or submitted bills and waited but rather their lack of an effective communications plan. The pubs are always on defense and never know how to express outrage and attack the other side.


30 posted on 10/15/2013 12:19:35 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: cotton1706
I hope they do!
31 posted on 10/15/2013 12:22:54 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: cotton1706
RE :”This would be a highly risky take-it-or-leave-it strategy. The GOP would argue that they gave Senate Democrats everything they asked for in their latest deal, but added a delay of a job killing tax that 79 Senators have already voted to repeal altogether, as well as a somewhat stripped-down Vitter Amendment. This would force members of Congress, but not staffers, to forego the president's special subsidy carve-out. The bottom-line message: “We've agreed to Harry Reid's plan, plus a few small additions that the American people support. We've bent over backwards to accommodate the other side. We've done our jobs. And we're outta here”

I like it!

32 posted on 10/15/2013 12:25:29 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: RedMDer

I know I have been applying pressure to mine and others...thankful they are at least fighting. Still think there is more going on..like perhaps many know the pres is unbalanced at the least and evil at the most.


33 posted on 10/15/2013 12:25:41 PM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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To: deport; All

I remember the Democrats in Wisconsin leaving town when the union legislation was in play to avoid a vote, and they hid from the Sergeant at arms to avoid being dragged back.

Why can’t Republicans do what the Democrats dis in Wisconsin?

By the way, Wisconsin has a budget surplus “Larger than expected.!”


34 posted on 10/15/2013 12:28:56 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: cotton1706

Tell them:

“Take our deal or live on our income only....which we should be doing in the first place.”


35 posted on 10/15/2013 12:32:34 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: plain talk
The pubs are always on defense and never know how to express outrage and attack the other side.

True. Time for them to step aside and let the Tea Party take over.

36 posted on 10/15/2013 12:37:49 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: seeker41
unbalanced at the least and evil at the most

Both.

37 posted on 10/15/2013 12:38:58 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: cotton1706

If true, this is actually some good news. Time to let dingy hairy and His Petulance speak to the hand for once.


38 posted on 10/15/2013 12:41:51 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

“It’s not a great idea. It’s a PR disaster.”

Whatever the gop conservatives do, it will be used against them in the media (a wholly owned subsidiary of Hope N Change, Inc.). If you’re damned for doing the right thing and damned for doing the wrong thing, you might as well do the right thing.


39 posted on 10/15/2013 12:44:32 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

See 14 above. The Senate hasn’t, inspite of all the blow coming from Reid, actually rejected anything. Each of the House-passed budget measures has been tabled in the Senate which means Reid could eventually pick out the one he likes -—on a weekend-—and slip it to the floor for a vote. The Senate can’t make up its own budget measures and send them to the House because that’s a rule.


40 posted on 10/15/2013 12:45:07 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cotton1706; All
NBC's Obama sycophant Chuck Todd's take:
Chuck Todd         @chucktodd

Really surprised Dems are trying so hard to trash this House GOP plan as much publicly as they are. Again, not that diff from Sen compromise

Yea, but it's coming from the GOP so they cannot like. Harry Reid is a smarmy snake worm, so is his girl Pelosi et al

LOL Todd wants the dems to trash it behind everyone's back.

Sorry Chuck, the dems are bold these days and think they can get away with anything.

41 posted on 10/15/2013 12:49:28 PM PDT by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: cotton1706

delay the medical device tax?

That’s it?

That’s all the GOPe settled for??


42 posted on 10/15/2013 12:49:44 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Farnsworth

do it?

Surrender and go home?


43 posted on 10/15/2013 12:50:59 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: cotton1706

They might as well go home. How hard can it be to to sumbit a “Continuing Resolution.” First Graders could do this for a whole lot less and without a staff.

We are paying them to do nothing. As far as staffers - who writes the rules for these bozos? Staffers should not be entitle to subsidies. These morons have their staffers write their speeches, make their appointments and tell them what they need to say. They are the as responsible as the elected officials.

The spending bills are already in the Senate. Each time they refuse to negotiate, make the next bill even more conservative. Start taking stuff out of the budget instead of negotiating.

To default on the debt is going to be ugly and will ruin us - but so will Obamacare. The difference is the speed.


44 posted on 10/15/2013 12:51:49 PM PDT by nomobs
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Obama does not convene the House.

The Constitution says they cannot adjourn for more than 3 days without the consent of the OTHER HOUSE; Senate.

The President does not control Congress. They are separate branches.


45 posted on 10/15/2013 12:53:01 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: PapaBear3625

They can give themselves a 3 day break, that’s it


46 posted on 10/15/2013 12:54:47 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: cotton1706

Yes, they should. There is no need for them to pass a spending bill just because it will pass the prez’s desk.


47 posted on 10/15/2013 12:55:19 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: GeronL

“[The President] may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them”


48 posted on 10/15/2013 12:55:58 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

It’s not extraordinary. Besides they can only adjourn for 3 days without the Senate doing it too.


49 posted on 10/15/2013 12:57:36 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: cotton1706

Update #11 Obama peed in his pants


50 posted on 10/15/2013 1:00:10 PM PDT by woofie
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