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House GOP to try to counter Senate debt limit plan
yahoo.news ^ | Oct 15, 2013 2 minutes ago | ANDREW TAYLOR

Posted on 10/15/2013 7:16:04 AM PDT by 11th_VA

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To: JRandomFreeper
I see the problem. When the regular thing is to borrow to pay bills, you are pretty much screwed.

Yup. Try that with your household budget some time and see what happens to you. (Like I have to tell you, Johnny.)

51 posted on 10/15/2013 10:19:55 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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To: caww

There are no dictatorial powers of the president. Article 1 section 7 gives him specific powers to sign or veto. If presidents can dictate, what have we been doing this for? Any move by obama to grab the right to incur debt from the Congress could be met with impeachment and civil unrest like we have never seen. There is no emergency here!! The money comes in and we spend it on good priorities.. This president is going MAd. STOP HIM


52 posted on 10/15/2013 10:21:04 AM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: 11th_VA

Curious that the Democrat-controlled Senate is called “the Senate” and the House is called “the House GOP”

As if Harry Reid was somehow not the biggest partisan hack in Congress.


53 posted on 10/15/2013 10:47:21 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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To: 11th_VA

I have seen very little indication of the GOP suffering in real life..


54 posted on 10/15/2013 11:03:08 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Is Obama's caddy considered "essential personnel"?)
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To: cuban leaf
The house controlls the purse.

But its "leaders" are walking around with purses.

55 posted on 10/15/2013 11:03:17 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Impeach We Much!)
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To: 11th_VA

Very disappointing.
But I don’t think the conservatives will let such a bill as described through the House.

I was hoping for a fairly “clean” temp debt bill and to keep the CR/Obamacare fight going until the Dems have to engage. They’ve successfully hidden behind Obama and Harry’s blockade so far.

McConnell will have to lead any surrender from the Senate. Goodbye Mitch, hello 2014 Minority Leader Collins.
I don’t think Boehner can do it alone.


56 posted on 10/15/2013 11:16:52 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Apparently there are a group of profession people who specialize in working for the congress. There is a limited few and if they go away it’ll take years to train their replacements. /s


57 posted on 10/15/2013 11:20:12 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: 11th_VA
"Follow the money" is not just a wise axiom when dealing with political elites, it is the very nature of who they are.

Large multi-national conglomerates have infected this once sublime experiment in self-governance.

Until the government of the United States is once again governed by men (or women)of the people, by the people and for the people, the leaders we have (with few exceptions)will always default to their real masters, big money..

I am encouraged by Ted Cruz, Sara Palin and those of us who identify with the Tea Party.

This IS the war not just the battle, we cannot back down.

Popular public opinion is all we have today because most of our leaders and the national press have been coopted..

We have been blessed with the greatest country in the history of our planet because of providence, and because a minority of men and women who fought when the odds were against them yet they refused to fail.
58 posted on 10/15/2013 11:56:29 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 (Don't like Gramnesty? Support Lee Bright www.brightforsenate.com/)
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To: Errant

I posted this a few minutes ago.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3079226/posts

Do you think 0bama will have the audacity to intentionally allow the US to default on our bond payments ?

Think about it from a purely political position.

If he feels comfortable enough that he can get away with blaming the GOP for the debacle that is sure to follow, why wouldn’t he do soo ?

He could create the havoc that will allow him the opportunity to come in as the Savior.

Do you think 0bama is going to fold on the debt ceiling or budget battle ?

Why should he fold ?

He wins if we go into default.

This is a HUGE opportunity for him to tip the balance.

An opportunity to send the entire world into an economic crisis while not being responsible since he will get the media’s backing.

To think that 0bama would be worried about his legacy seems a bit naive.

0bama wants to build his legacy in his 3rd term.



59 posted on 10/15/2013 12:00:09 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: cardinal4

Since automatic 7% annual increases are built into the federal budget, any “cuts” to the budget would have to be more than 7% per year to achieve a net reduction in spending. A reduction in the rate of growth is not a cut.
In DC speak, only increasing spending x% after proposing a y% increase is a “cut”.
Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974
Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985
Budget Enforcement Act of 1990
Balanced Budget Act of 1997.

Yep, one more “act” ought to do it.


60 posted on 10/15/2013 12:39:12 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: Errant

Buy used from garage sales. Starve the beast.

It is up to the people now that all politicians are part of the problem.


61 posted on 10/15/2013 1:24:20 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jch10

He needs to get Sarah Palin`s latest writing...Sarah lays it out clearly, impeachable offense to default

we have the money to cover the interest to China, we have the money to fund military, to fund old age security etc


62 posted on 10/15/2013 1:37:18 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge ( Palin 2016 or bust)
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To: Zeneta

Scary stuff ...


63 posted on 10/15/2013 1:38:56 PM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: Friendofgeorge; All
The Latest from CNN (I know, I know)

Anyway this is interesting:

3:45 PM

House Republicans have dropped two demands related to Obamacare from their proposal to end the fiscal stalemate in Washington, sources told CNN. These include a proposal to delay the medical device tax and another to tighten income verification of those seeking subsidies to purchase health insurance under the Affordable Care Act. Separately, Republican Rep. Devin Nunes of California told CNN's Dana Bash that he expects the House to vote on Tuesday night on its plan to reopen the government and avoid a possible U.S. default.

The deadline for increasing the debt ceiling is Thursday, according to the Treasury, and economists warn that failure to act in time would spike interest rates with possible catastrophic impact at home and abroad. However, House Republicans were considering their own proposal that would tack on provisions changing President Barack Obama's signature health care reforms in what appeared to be a last-gasp effort to influence the proposed Senate agreement. According to GOP sources and confirmed by Republican Rep. Darrell Issa of California, the House plan under consideration would include most of what is in the Senate proposal while adding a provision to suspend an Obamacare tax on medical devices for two years and remove federal health care subsidies for Obama and legislators when they obtain health coverage under the reforms

64 posted on 10/15/2013 1:43:48 PM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: 11th_VA

Who cares about the medical device tax? What world are we living in?

Obamacare is the death of America. If it is not repealed then all is lost.


65 posted on 10/15/2013 1:53:50 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: 11th_VA

They passed bills already. Tell the Senate to pick one CR of the multitude they passed, or the House recesses.

The House is starting to look like a bunch of idiots with this “oooh, now we got ya... we’ll make Obama sign up for Obamacare” nonsense.

- Repeal the medical device tax
- Repeal the 30 hour mandate
- Repeal the individual mandate
- Repeal the creation of a ton of new agencies
- Repeal the business mandate
- Leave the exchanges as a constant boondoggle reminder to the people
- Repeal the WHOLE THING

Obama will cave, or be forced to make cuts across the entire government.

We win either way because then we’re spending what we’re taking in.


66 posted on 10/15/2013 2:21:55 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: 11th_VA
America is asking for economic disaster thanks to trillions of ever-more-worthless dollars being printed and loaned out.

Best way to handle this is to face reality.

It won't be pretty, but it beats our being ever more sure that a WW-III will happen.

The Tea Party is looking better and better ... every day.

67 posted on 10/15/2013 2:42:43 PM PDT by OldNavyVet ("Learn from science that you must doubt the experts" ... Richard Feynman)
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To: 11th_VA

How many bogus news media GOP “surrender” stories will Freepers fall for?!


68 posted on 10/15/2013 3:43:21 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: boycott
The repubs can brag that they got what they wanted but

Unfortunately I fear that what the Republicans want, at least the "leaders," is for obamacare to to be protected and to provide some protection for the Democrats' electoral prospects next year. They really are acting as the designated opposition division of the Democrat Party and seem to be currently tasked with bringing the recalcitrant members along, the ones who think they are part of a separate political party.

69 posted on 10/15/2013 3:56:53 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Zeneta

Well stated. We’re in the end game for communists running our government. They’re playing for all the marbles and the ends justifies the means in their collective minds.


70 posted on 10/16/2013 7:59:48 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Red in Blue PA
Buy used from garage sales. Starve the beast.

Yep, and Craig's list, etc. Also ebay from mom and pop sellers. :-)

71 posted on 10/16/2013 8:06:01 AM PDT by Errant
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To: 11th_VA

Just on CNN.... All the on air folks might just as well wear DNC T shirts, I mean if they could only hear themselves.

When it`s not crunch time, they try and pretend they don’t have an agenda, but the last few days they are as bad or worse than MSNBC if that was possible.

To MSNBC credit they gave up even the appearance of attempting to be balanced, but CNN says they are better, what a joke.

Every former and/or disgruntled Rep has been rounded up to give the Rep point of view on stuff, totally embarrassing to watch


72 posted on 10/16/2013 8:51:56 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge ( Palin 2016 or bust)
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To: sima_yi
"The problem is the debt, not the debt ceiling. Balance the budget, the problem will take care of itself."

Raising import tariffs and putting Americans back to work would go a long way towards balancing the budget.

73 posted on 10/17/2013 10:52:32 AM PDT by DannyTN
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