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House GOP to try to counter Senate debt limit plan
yahoo.news ^ | Oct 15, 2013 2 minutes ago | ANDREW TAYLOR

Posted on 10/15/2013 7:16:04 AM PDT by 11th_VA

WASHINGTON (AP) — House GOP leaders unveiled their own plan Tuesday to counter an emerging Senate plan to reopen the government and forestall an economy-rattling default on U.S. obligations.

The bill would repeal a new tax on medical devices and take away lawmakers' federal health care subsidies in addition to funding the government through Jan. 15 and giving Treasury the ability to borrow normally through Feb. 7.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said Republicans plan to pass the measure later Tuesday. It could prove tricky because Democrats probably won't support it.

The House move comes after conservative lawmakers rebelled at the outlines of an emerging Senate plan by Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. Those two hoped to seal an agreement on Tuesday, just two days before the Treasury Department says it will run out of borrowing capacity.

The emerging Senate measure would reopen the government through Jan. 15 and permit the Treasury to borrow normally until early to mid-February, easing dual crises that have sapped confidence in the economy and taken a sledgehammer to the GOP's poll numbers.

"The general framework is there" between Reid and McConnell, said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn. He said conversations with the House were continuing and he thought it would be midday Tuesday at the earliest before a plan was finalized.

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1 posted on 10/15/2013 7:16:04 AM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

Geez.

So Republicans are planning on caving.. but it’s NOT ENOUGH of a cave for the Rats.

FUBO


2 posted on 10/15/2013 7:18:04 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: 11th_VA

The House doesn’t need to “try.” They hold all the cards. Nothing gets funded without the House.


3 posted on 10/15/2013 7:19:01 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: 11th_VA
permit the Treasury to borrow normally

I see the problem. When the regular thing is to borrow to pay bills, you are pretty much screwed.

/johnny

4 posted on 10/15/2013 7:19:32 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 11th_VA

The problem is the debt, not the debt ceiling. Balance the budget, the problem will take care of itself.


5 posted on 10/15/2013 7:21:27 AM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: ConservativeMan55
They need to be punished for their insurrection don't ja know.....
6 posted on 10/15/2013 7:22:44 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: 11th_VA

It’s now or never Pubbies!

Are you a party, or a collection of bureaucrats.

If the House stands firm, I will once again donate money to the party.

If not, the party needs to dissolve.

It’s not about who is nicer to whom, it’s about standing up for what’s right. Forget the media, forget the polls, listen to the American People, and the Veterans who have fought for them.


7 posted on 10/15/2013 7:22:56 AM PDT by GEC (We're not drilling in ANWR because...)
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To: 11th_VA
The bill would repeal a new tax on medical devices and take away lawmakers' federal health care subsidies

But it would leave obnamacare comfortably funded and would help the Democrats to not lose votes next November. I think the Republican "leadership" really does desire to have a much smaller majority in the House after the election. It would be easier to keep the Republicans in line wee there fewer of them. They might even think wistfully of being in the minority again where Republicans have historically been the most comfortable.

8 posted on 10/15/2013 7:23:32 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: 11th_VA

Do Not do it, HOUSE.

Do NOT do anything.

Your demands should be: (1) a real budget and the end of continuing resolutions and an irrevocable, non-squishy law requiring a budget (2) A rate of expenditure per month that cannot be exceeded for that budget (3) all expenditures in that budget OR no deal. (4) A religious conscience clause added to ObamaCare (5) The end of anything resembling death panels or care restrictions in ObamaCAre, and a minimum of a delay for one year with ObamaCare.


9 posted on 10/15/2013 7:24:09 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Sickening. The Republicans are always willing to take it in the shorts. Never go for a win when you can settle for defeat.


10 posted on 10/15/2013 7:24:57 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: 11th_VA

My do nothing R Congressman is sending a “daily brief” during the slowdown and I can tell he is ready to cave. He is saying, “we cannot default,” like the Dems.


11 posted on 10/15/2013 7:25:34 AM PDT by jch10 ("Normandy was closed when we got there too!")
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To: cotton1706

Nothing gets funded without the House.

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True. The one exception being when the House is “controlled” by Republicans. /sarc


12 posted on 10/15/2013 7:26:00 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: GEC

If not, the party needs to dissolve.
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Kind of hard to dissolve when there’s nothing there to begin with. :)


13 posted on 10/15/2013 7:26:55 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: arthurus

” .... new tax on medical devices ... “


In the grand scheme of things, this new tax is nothing. If that’s all the republicans walk away with, they will come up empty handed.

The repubs can brag that they got what they wanted but, in the end, it was all about nothing.

And if unions get a break for a year, I will deem this to be a total disaster for the republicans. If we have to drink in obamaCrap, unions need to drown on it.


14 posted on 10/15/2013 7:28:24 AM PDT by boycott
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To: boycott

If that’s all the republicans walk away with, they will come up empty handed...in the end, it was all about nothing.

***********
One FINAL crushing defeat. Bye, bye Pubbies.


15 posted on 10/15/2013 7:30:24 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: 11th_VA

Translation: it’s time for those crazy kids in the House to sit down and pay attention and do what Reid and McConnell tell them to. Constitutional duty? Whazzat?


16 posted on 10/15/2013 7:30:48 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: 11th_VA

NO!


17 posted on 10/15/2013 7:32:57 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: boycott

Why delay the tax 2 years?

If it’s a dumb thing now it’s just as dumb 2 years later.


18 posted on 10/15/2013 7:36:55 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: 11th_VA
They're caving. I expected nothing less but had HOPED that Ted Cruz and Mike Lee had inspired just a little more manliness in Cantor and Boehner. That hope was wasted.

I loathe and despise the GOP!

19 posted on 10/15/2013 7:37:22 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: boycott

Caving and comprosimising is all I see in this.

No more business as usual politics. Stop Obamacare completely in its tracks and stop the debt train that will eventually go over the cliff.


20 posted on 10/15/2013 7:37:32 AM PDT by Nextrush (BALANCED BUDGET NOW, PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN,CHANGE I BELIEVE IN)
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To: 11th_VA
RE :”The bill would repeal a new tax on medical devices and take away lawmakers’ federal health care subsidies in addition to funding the government through Jan. 15 and giving Treasury the ability to borrow normally through Feb. 7.”

Taking away the federal health care subsidies would at least be getting something out of the whole shutdown, since the shutdown didnt automatically cut off Obama-care funding.(who da guessed)

Reid and McConnel’s plans would comply with Obama’s demand that the GOP get NOTHING.

I thought the House already passed this, but maybe they just talked about it.

21 posted on 10/15/2013 7:39:22 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: xzins

Obamacare is not ready to be implemented. Politics aside the damn thing does not work. You cannot get through their website and the insurance companies are totally confused as to the correct pricing for one. Spoke to blue cross yesterday and was told that they are all confused there. How in the heck can we get anyone to listen! I am beyond frustrated.


22 posted on 10/15/2013 7:46:33 AM PDT by lilypad
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To: xzins

Obamacare is not ready to be implemented. Politics aside the damn thing does not work. You cannot get through their website and the insurance companies are totally confused as to the correct pricing for one. Spoke to blue cross yesterday and was told that they are all confused there. How in the heck can we get anyone to listen! I am beyond frustrated.


23 posted on 10/15/2013 7:46:35 AM PDT by lilypad
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To: 11th_VA
Hold everything. How about a Balanced Budget Amendment! And how about a BBA today... No need to propose it, no need congress (or Article 5) to initiate it, no need for 3/4 of the states to ratify it. Today!

House - Do NOTHING! It's effectively the BBA Now! The feral govt forced to live within its means.

24 posted on 10/15/2013 7:48:28 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: 11th_VA

They’re playing their game. Responding with counter proposals. They should be starting the 2014 House campaign now. Attacking the Demo-Coms (they can’t even call them socialists) and the regime with a barrage of government waste attacks and policy effects (energy costs to the consumer like coal fired electric production ) not only on what the buraucracies are doing but the extrordinary efforts this regime is using to focus on government reliance . Theme being “Do you really need government to involve itself in every aspect of life”...


25 posted on 10/15/2013 7:51:32 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: 11th_VA

Do a simple bill of raising the debt limit 200 billion. More than enough room for treasury to work around uneven revenues while the government is closed, and keep it closed until you get some reasonable consessions. Simple.


26 posted on 10/15/2013 7:52:54 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: All

They’re playing their game. Responding with counter proposals. They should be starting the 2014 House campaign now. Attacking the Demo-Coms (they can’t even call them socialists) and the regime with a barrage of government waste attacks and policy effects (energy costs to the consumer like coal fired electric production ) not only on what the buraucracies are doing but the extrordinary efforts this regime is using to focus on government reliance . Theme being “Do you really need government to involve itself in every aspect of life”...


27 posted on 10/15/2013 7:53:42 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: 11th_VA
It could prove tricky because Democrats probably won't support it.

What would make anyone think that?

28 posted on 10/15/2013 7:55:24 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: lilypad

The HOUSE is in charge.

They should tell the Senate and the President to go to hell until they come back with something just vaguely logical.

You DO NOT keep funding your kid’s out of control credit card while he’s away a college.

You DO NOT penalize someone for NOT being able to use a website.

This is freaking logic! What the hell is wrong with these people!??


29 posted on 10/15/2013 8:03:18 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

30 posted on 10/15/2013 8:07:09 AM PDT by Errant
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To: 11th_VA

the house GOP should insist that the obamacare individual mandate be delayed until the website works properly... that should kill it forever !


31 posted on 10/15/2013 8:07:30 AM PDT by Reverend Wright (1990 Budget Agreement: learn from other's mistakes)
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To: 11th_VA

Pubbies in the House....give Obama nothing!!! Let him take the country into default...he owns it!!! Actually...your move is a good one because Democrats will reject it outright!!! The Senate deal spnosored by traitors RINOs is DOA!!!

Then Pubbies stand pat and do nothing!!! And....if you need more support for your spine and backbone...remember them polls that blame you for this mess!!! You know who that is blaming you? Republican conservatives becasue you will not stand up to Obama, his Obamabot Democrats , his Obamabot media and your low life, dirt bag, RINOs!!! Stand strong!!! Give Obama, ZILCH!!!

And......New Jersey voters....tomorrow, election day in NJ...vote for Steve Lonegan for US Senator from NJ!!! You can destroy the entire Democrat Party and Obama by voting for Steve Lonegan for US Senate over dirt bag, lowlife, criminal thug, Obamabot clone, Cory (lie) Booker!!!


32 posted on 10/15/2013 8:10:19 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Why delay the tax 2 years?

If it’s a dumb thing now it’s just as dumb 2 years later.
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Agree. Repubs need to make demos enforce 100% of the new law. Americans need to drink it all in. They need to make that sorry ass president enforce the law. If they did that, demos might not do so well in future elections.


33 posted on 10/15/2013 8:11:01 AM PDT by boycott
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To: 11th_VA
Watch for clown to blow right through the borrowing limit, continuing to borrow to feed the wagon riders and thereby precipitating a Constitutional CRISIS - he "works" best in crisis mode
34 posted on 10/15/2013 8:13:24 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Errant

I agree.

Go on an extended vacation.


35 posted on 10/15/2013 8:13:55 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: 11th_VA

FOX NEWS ALERT

House members are giving a news presser now.

Not sure what they decided, because they are talking in generalities. They want fairness and everythone to be treated equal. They are meeting with members later today to present their ‘deal’.

[It was much ado signifying nothing, apparently.]


36 posted on 10/15/2013 8:14:56 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Errant

I took the plunge last month. The beast will no longer be fed by my confiscated earnings.


37 posted on 10/15/2013 8:19:38 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: boycott
Repubs need to make demos enforce 100% of the new law.

I agree,but good luck with that. there are too many republicans who enjoy being able to keep their staffers from experiencing the pain idiot Americans voted for. Instead they'll save the Dems from themselves. Always playing checkers while rats are playing chess.

38 posted on 10/15/2013 8:25:31 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: cotton1706

Reid is “sooo disappointed”.....on the floor now carrying on as usual and specifically spotting the “Tea Party” Republicans as the reason for all of this.

However, Obama has a trump card and this was raised by Durbin as he spoke...’Executive Decision’ to “Save the Country”. If OB does this it all will be completely on his plate.


39 posted on 10/15/2013 8:46:54 AM PDT by caww
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To: pgkdan

I don’t believe they are folding......They’re putting this right in Obamas lap because Reid said they won’t sign it...so Durbin mentioned “Executive Decision”.....

Let’s see if Obama will take the full blown deal on his plate or not....they are forcing Obama either to have the Dems sign on the dotted line...or Obama has the full weight of it on his plate.


40 posted on 10/15/2013 8:51:47 AM PDT by caww
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To: 11th_VA

Andrew Taylor

To AP’s Taylor, Congress’s Ratings Are ‘in the Gutter,’ and Harry Reid Is a ‘Traditionalist’

By Tom Blumer | January 30, 2013

An emailer who is a retired journalist wrote to me today about a January 27 Associated Press item by Andrew Taylor presented as an objective news report, calling it “Appalling ... the worst ever.” If it’s not, it’s pretty close, though I’m not sure how any report on a single congressional action can top the comprehensive slop seen in the June 2008 classic titled, “Everything Seemingly Is Spinning Out of Control.” Readers visit that linked article at their peril.

The AP report concerns the “no budget, no pay” provision added to the bill the House recently passed to increase the government’s borrowing cap. Taylor’s travesty reeks of contempt and imbalance.

http://newsbusters.org/people/andrew-taylor#ixzz2ho4quolF


41 posted on 10/15/2013 8:56:54 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: 11th_VA

AP’s Taylored Narrative: GOP Fails at Senate Majority Due to Nominating ‘Flawed, Gaffe-Prone’ Tea Party ‘Flameouts’

By Tim Graham | October 30, 2012

AP reporter Andrew Taylor wrote up one of those teasing narratives Tuesday – the kind where he says, gee the GOP could have the Senate majority if it hadn’t managed to nominate Tea Party wackos that were successfully ripped down by harsh national press coverage.

Well, there was no actual reference to the press or its anti-Tea Party aggression. There are only “flawed, gaffe-prone nominees,” and no mention of who in the political world decides what a “gaffe” is and how the media’s gaffe patrol never seems to locate them in the vicinity of Joe Biden. Taylor began his “bizarre GOP missteps” narrative this way:

http://newsbusters.org/people/andrew-taylor#ixzz2ho5HsjZZ


42 posted on 10/15/2013 8:58:22 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: caww

Either way they’re taking obamacare of the table. Once funded and enacted it will never, ever go away.


43 posted on 10/15/2013 9:01:08 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: caww

However, Obama has a trump card and this was raised by Durbin as he spoke...’Executive Decision’ to “Save the Country”. If OB does this it all will be completely on his plate.


“Executive Decision”? Wow, the rampaging marxists have the spin cycle already on high and ready to go. I bet the EO is already written. What a POS these Dems are. The GOP timidity in the face of this fascism is nauseating.


44 posted on 10/15/2013 9:07:26 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Gabrial
Good for you! At least those of us who have know how to get by on far less.

Up on Zero Hedge:

So Much For Negotiating: White House Rejects House Republican Proposal

Treasury Bills Collapse

Everything O has done in office points toward a final goal of America transformed, either thru implementation of his agenda, or implementation thru Martial Law (i.e., his way or the highway).

45 posted on 10/15/2013 9:18:48 AM PDT by Errant
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To: lodi90

14th Amendment section 4:

The debt-ceiling crisis in 2011 raised the question of what powers Section 4 gives to the President, an issue that remains unsettled.

Some, such as legal scholar Garrett Epps, fiscal expert Bruce Bartlett and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, have argued that a debt ceiling may be unconstitutional and therefore void as long as it interferes with the duty of the government to pay interest on outstanding bonds and to make payments owed to pensioners (that is, Social Security recipients).

Legal analyst Jeffrey Rosen has argued that Section 4 gives the President unilateral authority to raise or ignore the national debt ceiling, and that if challenged the Supreme Court would likely rule in favor of expanded executive power or dismiss the case altogether for lack of standing.

Erwin Chemerinsky, professor and dean at University of California, Irvine School of Law, has argued that not even in a “dire financial emergency” could the President raise the debt ceiling as “there is no reasonable way to interpret the Constitution that [allows him to do so]”.


46 posted on 10/15/2013 9:26:44 AM PDT by caww
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To: lodi90

The RINO battle cry:

I’ll do anything you want me to do. Please, PLEASE, like me!


47 posted on 10/15/2013 9:29:42 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: 11th_VA

Please pubbies, do not surrender. You may never have another chance.


48 posted on 10/15/2013 9:36:09 AM PDT by Wisconsinlady (REMOVE ALL EXEMPTIONS, EXCEPTIONS, AND WAIVERS TO OBAMACARE)
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To: 11th_VA

The house controlls the purse. There is a reason for that.


49 posted on 10/15/2013 9:41:08 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: pgkdan
Well Obamacare (funding)is at the heart of all this.....

I agree “once funded and enacted it will never go away”....which is why this battle is so fierce.

Clinton had a similar situation though he was prepared to evoke Executive Privilege and force the Supreme Court to stop him.

So far Obama doesn't seem to want that elephant on his plate....but i don't put it past him to evoke that even with the threat of Impeachment for doing so......the libs and global authorities are bent at getting the revenue from Obamacare in their hands to distribute at will in order to carry out the Global Agenda and redistribute these revenues on the world stage.

Nothing to do with healthcare.....like carbon tax etc. just a massive scam to rob American citizens...AGAIN!

50 posted on 10/15/2013 10:06:43 AM PDT by caww
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